Mo Couch expected to know Thursday..

[DocVOLiday]

On Mo Couch possibly being back for the USC game...

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Tennessee is awaiting a response from the NCAA. The NCAA has interviewed Couch. He has admitted his guilt and his reasoning for taking the money. Tennessee has petitioned for a 4 game suspension (that's what AJ Green got) and everyone is awaiting an NCAA ruling.
-Hubbs
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Thanks. Hope it turns out ok!

 

[BruinVol]

Thanks. Hope it turns out ok!

Hubbs posted that last Tuesday

 

[Dragon18]

No he is not worthy for a 2nd chance. No one is when they threaten the entire program over intentional, selfish acts. Best they just move on with their ME attitude and just twitter away.

Yours is not really a fair statement. $100 handshakes have been the norm in college football for decades. I can tell you first hand that when I moved to this area I worked as a manager at one of the local sporting goods stores in the mall and loved every Saturday night after a UT football game because there were certain boosters that would bring the players in and buy each of them $100s of dollars worth of shoes and starter jackets. I played at App state and some of the better players were even getting paid at that level. Mo is the norm not the exception so I'd get off his back until you've walked a mile in his shoes. eace2:

 

[1982Alum]

Listen Mr. Holier Than Thou, Mo might not have even know about such agencies (if they exist) geared to help a full time student-athlete. often minority members don't, know about help agencies because no one ever told them. Here's just one of many examples. When I worked in Arizona, it was very (I stress "very") common for us to accidentally and later via active efforts to find disabled Native American and Mexican-American children who had never attended a special school or program. There were agencies designed to help or educate specific segments of the population needing the unique services they provided. We frequently found 12-17 year old kids whose parents had no idea these agencies existed. In some cases, they had actually via their church or via state education agencies sought help for their kids. But were either not told about the agency that could help them or were told there were no services for their particular kid. We saw variations of parental responses when we sat them down to guide them through applications for services. Some were shocked such agencies existed. Some were angry feeling previous sources had basically lied to them. Some broke down in tears of gratitude that their child would get a chance to be self-supportive or even just learn to read and write their name if nothing else. Certain older kids (17+) were eligible for waivers that allowed a special school to continue their education up to age 21 (rare) but truth was you never could recover the lost years and educate them beyond maybe a 3rd-4th grade level. Some exceptions of course depending on what the disability was. Point is, very often minorities are aware or made aware of services.

So instead of spewing ignorant and arrogant presumptions, at least become aware of the actual situation before you condemn others. It wouldn't hurt either if you practiced a Native American adage: "Grant that I not criticize anyone until I have walked a mile in his moccasins."

Nice tear jerking diatribe but ignorance of the law is no excuse. And it doesn't undo what he did. Hope the NCAA takes a VERY long time to ponder this case.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Pointing fingers to others and saying they are all guilty is no excuse. I imagine he has been asked if he knows of anymore incidents on the UT team of accepting brides/payoffs/kickbacks; whatever you want to call it. Fact is he hid it until the paper trail showed otherwise then came out and admitted guilt and I'm sure the NCAA is not happy over that. Hence the official "wait".

He is becoming a great role model for the others on the team. A role model to NEVER follow.

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[GrowVol]

Wow, VN loves to argue. Argument Nation. Damn, we really need to start winning.

 

[Freak]

Nice tear jerking diatribe but ignorance of the law is no excuse. And it doesn't undo what he did. Hope the NCAA takes a VERY long time to ponder this case.

Why would you hope they take a long time to ponder the case? Just curious.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Nice tear jerking diatribe but ignorance of the law is no excuse. And it doesn't undo what he did. Hope the NCAA takes a VERY long time to ponder this case.

Congratulations. You just won the VolNation "Walking Pen!s" award.

 

[1982Alum]

Why would you hope they take a long time to ponder the case? Just curious.

So Mo doesn't put the Orange and White on again and represent the University on the field. He has disgraced it already with the actions he admitted to. If this were a FL or Vandy player, this forum would have a 180 degree different whine to it.

 

[Orange Daddy]

Manziel never basically tweeted a guilty plea.

Very good point as I said back then he should have said nothing at all about it. When you admitt you lose we lost

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Nice tear jerking diatribe but ignorance of the law is no excuse. And it doesn't undo what he did. Hope the NCAA takes a VERY long time to ponder this case.

Hey Genius, if the law decides that he has received proper punishment and is allowed to play, then that's the "Law's" (NCAA's) call. It's not like he committed a real crime or is apart of some University conspiracy. He's been totally honest and owned his mistakes up to date. No excuses, nothing but taking responsibility for his actions.

 

[BenGrimm]

I'm gonna say the same thing I said before. Give the players normal rights over their name and likeness. They deserve a cut of that the same as anyone else does. Players own their own autographs and memorabilia. They should be able to sell them. The free market will decide the price. The NCAA and whatever school in question are out nothing that they have any legitimate right to.

That's a recipe for disaster. Suddenly boosters would be able to pay high school kids $100,000 for their autograph or whatever.

 

[Chilmonty]

Wow, VN loves to argue. Argument Nation. Damn, we really need to start winning.

Your new here aren't you?


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[JCHateSteve]

That's a recipe for disaster. Suddenly boosters would be able to pay high school kids $100,000 for their autograph or whatever.

I would say the chances of someone paying that much for a autograph are pretty remote. Even if it did happen, so what? How is it any different than someone paying for an NFL player's autograph? As it stands now the NCAA, EA sports, and others are making tons of money off of these kids names and likeness. How do they not deserve a cut? Can you name any other situation where that would happen? I just don't see how forbidding a player from selling something they lawfully owe can possibly be considered fair.

 

[BruinVol]

So Mo doesn't put the Orange and White on again and represent the University on the field. He has disgraced it already with the actions he admitted to. If this were a FL or Vandy player, this forum would have a 180 degree different whine to it.

Seems pretty harsh but IMO that's exactly the way the NCAA will see it.

Hard line in the sand on money and agents is what I exspect.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Nice tear jerking diatribe but ignorance of the law is no excuse. And it doesn't undo what he did. Hope the NCAA takes a VERY long time to ponder this case.

I just figured out what your problem is:

 

[LWSVOL]

On Mo Couch possibly being back for the USC game...

Originally Posted by :
Tennessee is awaiting a response from the NCAA. The NCAA has interviewed Couch. He has admitted his guilt and his reasoning for taking the money. Tennessee has petitioned for a 4 game suspension (that's what AJ Green got) and everyone is awaiting an NCAA ruling.
-Hubbs
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never saw that one but I'm not on these message boards as much as in the past. Last thing I saw Hubbs say was last week. that he wasn't expected back for Carolina

 

[knoxvols11]

In all of this, what is Larry and Curlys position?

 

[bullet20]

I just figured out what your problem is:

You narrowed it down to just 1 ? Over achiever IMO.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Yes, Couch admitted he did it. No doubt he was guilty. He needed the money. This kind of crap is rampant in the system. He got caught up in a media feeding frenzy session by news services that are competive for increasing readership.

Plus there is a hidden agenda contributing to this type of overreacting sensational reporting which is paying a college athlete. They should be paid something. All these stories have now died because the media does not care about this story just the agenda.

Fosters taco story was about just what it was. Extortion by the media and by Foster. The NCAA refuses to go after this type of violation because there are too many of them and they distract from the bigger violations. Unless of course their hands are forced to do so by the media...

This story was a media induced event which spawned an overreaction by all. In the past had we self reported it would have be over with by now. Couch made a mistake, reason is unknown but assumptions can by made as to why. A 1000 dollars for his family's survival and we are going to punish him forever.

it may come to a point where we see college football players on food stamps or welfare.h. Because the NCAA refuses to address this issue.

Had a local church or organization given Couch emergency relief or aid, would this have been a NCAA violation. How detrimental to our beloved university would it had been if Mo Couch was standing in a food line with family. Do you think he could have taken a loan from a bank without an investigation or someone calling foul.

See I have just sensationalize the other way. The NCAA needs to address these type issues and the universities need to also. The system we have now is not working for the player athelete and both systems are programming these players for failure.

The NCAA and the universities have their heads in the sand on this one. They are not going to address it because they can't deal with the magnitude if they tried.

 

[sjt18]

So Mo doesn't put the Orange and White on again and represent the University on the field. He has disgraced it already with the actions he admitted to. If this were a FL or Vandy player, this forum would have a 180 degree different whine to it.

The games he has missed plus restitution would be MORE than enough of a punishment for this particular crime.... I guess you would order the death penalty for a 3rd grade pencil thief, huh?

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Yes, Couch admitted he did it. No doubt he was guilty. He needed the money. This kind of crap is rampant in the system. He got caught up in a media feeding frenzy session by news services that are competive for increasing readership.

Plus there is a hidden agenda contributing to this type of overreacting sensational reporting which is paying a college athlete. They should be paid something. All these stories have now died because the media does not care about this story just the agenda.

Fosters taco story was about just what it was. Extortion by the media and by Foster. The NCAA refuses to go after this type of violation because there are too many of them and they distract from the bigger violations. Unless of course their hands are forced to do so by the media...

This story was a media induced event which spawned an overreaction by all. In the past had we self reported it would have be over with by now. Couch made a mistake, reason is unknown but assumptions can by made as to why. A 1000 dollars for his family's survival and we are going to punish him forever.

it may come to a point where we see college football players on food stamps or welfare.h. Because the NCAA refuses to address this issue.

Had a local church or organization given Couch emergency relief or aid, would this have been a NCAA violation. How detrimental to our beloved university would it had been if Mo Couch was standing in a food line with family. Do you think he could have taken a loan from a bank without an investigation or someone calling foul.

See I have just sensationalize the other way. The NCAA needs to address these type issues and the universities need to also. The system we have now is not working for the player athelete and both systems are programming these players for failure.

The NCAA and the universities have their heads in the sand on this one. They are not going to address it because they can't deal with the magnitude if they tried.

This whole Bristol Motor Speedway announcement just illustrates emphatically how large of a BUSINESS NCAA Football is. It is simply not fair to the athletes to be labeled AMATEURS while BIG BUSINESSES exploit them for profits that rival the NFL and NBA....and yes the NCAA, Conferences and member Universities are indeed BIG BUSINESS.

For those of you who are b!tching about the players wanting to get paid a fair portion of the TV Contract and Bowl Game profits....please explain how you extrapolate AMATEUR ATHLETICS out of a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY?

 

[volnpowell]

The games he has missed plus restitution would be MORE than enough of a punishment for this particular crime.... I guess you would order the death penalty for a 3rd grade pencil thief, huh?

I sure would not want 82alum to be my judge if I stole so much as a candy bar.

 

[Sudden Impact]

This whole Bristol Motor Speedway announcement just illustrates emphatically how large of a BUSINESS NCAA Football is. It is simply not fair to the athletes to be labeled AMATEURS while BIG BUSINESSES exploit them for profits that rival the NFL and NBA....and yes the NCAA, Conferences and member Universities are indeed BIG BUSINESS.

For those of you who are b!tching about the players wanting to get paid a fair portion of the TV Contract and Bowl Game profits....please explain how you extrapolate AMATEUR ATHLETICS out of a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY?

I agree. We had a player several years ago whose father died. Can't remember who just think he was from the west coast area. We (the University) could not give him the money to buy a round trip ticket or for a suit to get him home to the funeral because it was an NCAA violation. He made it home for the funeral, but I thought geez how much money can this be for him to pay his respects and mourn his loss with his family. The money we would have given him would have amounted to 2 season tickets and a parking pass.

For situations like this and possibly the Mo Couch situation the universities and NCAA ought to set up an Emergency Relief Fund for players that experience hardships because of the restrictions on giving a player money when it is an emergency situation that warrants monetary relief.

If amount is a problem then cap it. Make it available to all student athletes and track spending through receipts or like welfare credit cards.

I laughed at the Taco story still do every time I think about it.....most know more went on than that at every football university in America.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This whole Bristol Motor Speedway announcement just illustrates emphatically how large of a BUSINESS NCAA Football is. It is simply not fair to the athletes to be labeled AMATEURS while BIG BUSINESSES exploit them for profits that rival the NFL and NBA....and yes the NCAA, Conferences and member Universities are indeed BIG BUSINESS.

For those of you who are b!tching about the players wanting to get paid a fair portion of the TV Contract and Bowl Game profits....please explain how you extrapolate AMATEUR ATHLETICS out of a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY?

International Olympic Committee earns $5 billion in revenue - Breaking News - MarketWatch

International Olympic Committee registers 5 billion dollar revenues over past four years, based mostly on television broadcasts and corporate sponsorships...

I'll repeat myself... This is simple capitalism. You are arguing ideals, not facts. The argument to profits is a red herring, since profits are made off of people all the time. The NCAA establishes the circumstances that it is willing to play an athlete. That athlete has the right to either participate under the circumstances defined, or not. The fact that throngs of athletes are lining up, hoping to play for the NCAA, indicates that there must be something of worth in it for them.

You see... Despite your flawed parallel, it is nothing like slavery (despite how much you apparently resonated with the South Park episode.)