Missouri talent level

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keckjm said:
The issue is we should never find it acceptable to lose to Bama and Oregon like we have. TN should never be in a position where we lose by 30+ points. Our defense folds when we aren't in Neyland, and a lot of that has to do with the change in play calling on the road. We have nothing to lose right now, so why wouldn't we go all out on away games. I'm talking fake punts, onside kicks, blitzing in uniques ways, and running trick plays. We have nothing to lose, yet our defensive play calling last Saturday made it seamed we were just trying to stop Bama from making big plays. Jancek needs to stay true to form and not alter his game plan just because we are playing a great team. Our defense is a risk taking defense that wants to generate turnovers by applying pressure to the QB and disguising cover schemes in zone and man coverages. I just want to see us bring the pressure on road games from now on, just as we did against SC and GA at home.
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Good lord Man!!! LOL- you talk about taking risks etc... so that we don't get beat so badly, the risks you're talking about typically have low percentage success set against tremendous exposure when they fail. Believe it or not, play calling and managing a game is very methodical and typically based upon percentages of success and/or creating the most advantageous field position (not factoring in match ups of course, If you have high level players your success rates increase, We do not yet). That gunslinger approach against Oregon and Alabama would have gotten us beat much worse. There's a reason you don't hear about Hal Mummy any more. :peace2:
 
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sjt18 said:
Mizzou isn't that fast. You guys keep saying it... and it still isn't true. They have one receiver who can really run. To the extent that they have speed they give up size and power to get it (Josey). They are neither fast in the secondary or at LB which is why they play alot of zone and cover 2... and "trick" D's to confuse opponents. But they DO know how to play those schemes which is why they "look" fast.

What speed you see from their DE's is specifically because they have sacrificed size for speed. I personally think Sam is in for a long day vs Tiny. Tiny has 80 lbs on him and is pretty quick himself.
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Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense.
And Tiny won't be blocking Sam. He plays LDE and Tiny plays LT
 
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SlyStone said:
I would include Florida in that conversation also. Pound for pound they have had far better talent than us for close to a decade. It's obvious in the record and for some reason they play their best against us.
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Yes indeed, but Florida was a very winnable game this year. The only games that UT had no chance to win were Oregon and Bama. You are right about Florida. People talk about Florida and UGA having injuries and losing starters, yet neglect to mention that they are STACKED with elite talent year in and year out. Look at UGA dating back to the mid 90's and they have never had inferior talent, yet never had too much to show for it. UGA has no excuse for having too many 3 loss seasons imo.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Good lord Man!!! LOL- you talk about taking risks etc... so that we don't get beat so badly, the risks you're talking about typically have low percentage success set against tremendous exposure when they fail. Believe it or not, play calling and managing a game is very methodical and typically based upon percentages of success and/or creating the most advantageous field position (not factoring in match ups of course, If you have high level players your success rates increase, We do not yet). That gunslinger approach against Oregon and Alabama would have gotten us beat much worse. There's a reason you don't hear about Hal Mummy any more. :peace2:
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I'm not saying to throw 30 yard passes every time, but I'm talking about using normality to your advantage. Do the unexpected. If your down by 17 and have to kickoff after half then kick an onside kick. Do something to shift the momentum of the game in your favor. We have nothing to lose anyways. I hate James Franklin with a passion, but he is a very good at finding ways to shift momentum in his team's favor. He's a risk taker, and when you are the under dog you have to be somewhat a risk taker and take chances to win games. It might not be an onside kick, but it might be throwing a few unorthodox blitzes at your opponent in unexpected times to generate sacks or turnovers.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
we are not fast, but at least we get to play on the same fast turf!
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really, I'm looking at the temp. Everybody moves slower when it's colder. Will it slow their fast guys down more than it does our already plodding defense? Will we have the right cleats? It's adidas, so of course not. Have to get through that one. Will the turf be slick with night dew?
KO return game could be critical again with a cold ball, just as it was from the first kick last week.
Too many things in my head right now.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense.
And Tiny won't be blocking Sam. He plays LDE and Tiny plays LT
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Not @ QB

Coleman, McNeil, Randolph and Toney run a 4.5-4.55
Sutton runs a sub 4.5

Franklin runs 4.6
Maty run a 5+
DGB & Josey have legit elite speed, according to Pinkel both were timed sub 4.4
 
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H2O Vol said:
Not @ QB

Coleman, McNeil, Randolph and Toney run a 4.5-4.55
Sutton runs a sub 4.5

Franklin runs 4.6
Maty run a 5+
DGB & Josey have legit elite speed, according to Pinkel both were timed sub 4.4
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I don't care about a single number there. Football speed, quickness, and lateral speed is different. Ask our 4.3 Neal who can't break away from 4.5 - 4.6 safeties the last 4 years.
Andy Murray ran through our entire D. What does he run?
 
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I won't name names, but...

anybody else get that feeling that a bunch of 12 year olds are posting on this thread?

AV
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I don't care about a single number there. Football speed, quickness, and lateral speed is different. Ask our 4.3 Neal who can't break away from 4.5 - 4.6 safeties the last 4 years.
Andy Murray ran through our entire D. What does he run?
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40 or football speed still untrue for Franklin and Mauk.

In one breath you compare football speed yet you fail to apply the same logic in your comment of Neal. Who once he has broken into the secondary catch has yet to caught from behind w/out having the angle. Even Alabama's Collins who runs a legit sub 4.4 had an angle on his tackle of Neal.
 
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I applied the same logic. Neal is listed as 4.3 and is nowhere close on the field. I imagine he is listed as faster than mizzou rb's and there is no comparison on the field. A 4.6 guy can play faster and a 4.3 guy can play like a 4.6.
 
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No, you took an unnecessary swipe at Neal. Who's not w/out fault.

Quickness and speed are not the same.
Josey has both as well as a low center of gravity. He's shifty and elusive. Neal's not as quick as Josey but both have good hands out of the backfield and "breakaway" speed once in the secondary.
 
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keckjm said:
I'm not saying to throw 30 yard passes every time, but I'm talking about using normality to your advantage. Do the unexpected. If your down by 17 and have to kickoff after half then kick an onside kick. Do something to shift the momentum of the game in your favor. We have nothing to lose anyways. I hate James Franklin with a passion, but he is a very good at finding ways to shift momentum in his team's favor. He's a risk taker, and when you are the under dog you have to be somewhat a risk taker and take chances to win games. It might not be an onside kick, but it might be throwing a few unorthodox blitzes at your opponent in unexpected times to generate sacks or turnovers.
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Got'cha- Misunderstood what your point was. :hi:
 
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H2O Vol said:
No, you took an unnecessary swipe at Neal. Who's not w/out fault.

Quickness and speed are not the same.
Josey has both as well as a low center of gravity. He's shifty and elusive. Neal's not as quick as Josey but both have good hands out of the backfield and "breakaway" speed once in the secondary.
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ok, you got me. Saying Neal doesn't have 4.3 speed on the field is an unnecessary swipe, baseless, and inaccurate. He's had a ton of long runs for td's that show the breakaway speed of a 4.3 guy.
Additionally, our de's, lb's, and db's are all faster on the field than Mizzou's qb, rbs and wr's, and it's not even close, so I'm changing my initial point of Mizzou being faster to UT's defense, though one of the slowest in our history, is faster than the upcoming top 10 team.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
ok, you got me. Saying Neal doesn't have 4.3 speed on the field is an unnecessary swipe, baseless, and inaccurate. He's had a ton of long runs for td's that show the breakaway speed of a 4.3 guy.
Additionally, our de's, lb's, and db's are all faster on the field than Mizzou's qb, rbs and wr's, and it's not even close, so I'm changing my initial point of Mizzou being faster to UT's defense, though one of the slowest in our history, is faster than the upcoming top 10 team.
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Spartavolus, you are right that there can be a disconnect sometimes with a 40 time and field speed. I've seen it many times going both ways. If Neal is truly timed at 4.3 on his 40, he doesn't show anything like that breaking away. That just indicates to me that he can get "up to speed" really quickly but not as much top end. :peace2:

Edit: There's a reason they don't run a forty in Track and Field to determine who is really fast.
 
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#68
Keys to a Vol victory are in order of precedent

1. Keep composure in a hostile road environment.
2. Must have good QB play..no Florida type melt downs.
3. Get pressure on Maulk. Our secondary can not cover their receivers. Rushing their QB out of his comfort zone will offset this.
4. Run the football effectively and let Dobbs throw when we want to not when we have to.
5. Win special teams play.

In short I think which ever QB plays best wins. Both are young and likely to get rattled. Here's hoping young Dobbs shows the composure of a 5th year senior! GBO!!!
 
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Spartacavolus said:
ok, you got me. Saying Neal doesn't have 4.3 speed on the field is an unnecessary swipe, baseless, and inaccurate. He's had a ton of long runs for td's that show the breakaway speed of a 4.3 guy.
Additionally, our de's, lb's, and db's are all faster on the field than Mizzou's qb, rbs and wr's, and it's not even close, so I'm changing my initial point of Mizzou being faster to UT's defense, though one of the slowest in our history, is faster than the upcoming top 10 team.
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Sarcasm noted

Your initial point is not was what I responded to this is "Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense." I called you on the QB portion and you reacted in typical fashion.

In the past I too have been critical of Neal's running. To his credit in recent gms he's bouncing less, running more north-south and running hard.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense.
And Tiny won't be blocking Sam. He plays LDE and Tiny plays LT
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Pretty sure Sam lines up on both sides of the field but to your point I don't think he'll have much more fun vs James.

LOL. Their starting RB is very quick. Top end speed is good but not elite for the SEC. Their QB is not faster than the guys in UT's secondary and may not be faster than Brewer or Sapp. He is very decisive and again quick.

You guys act as if UT has never played a team with multiple fast players and been able to hang with them... ie UF, USCe, UGA, and even teams like USA and WKU. Mizzou has some good players. They aren't a bunch of bums. But their athletic talent is NOT how they compete.


Mizzou's run O is designed around creating running lanes on the outside. Seal the DL's and LB's then create lanes vs DB's. Josey in particular is a guy who can make that one cut and get through the lane before a D can react.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I applied the same logic. Neal is listed as 4.3 and is nowhere close on the field. I imagine he is listed as faster than mizzou rb's and there is no comparison on the field. A 4.6 guy can play faster and a 4.3 guy can play like a 4.6.
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If Neal is 4.3 I can throw the ball over them mountains.
 
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