Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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CaVOLfn said:
That was my thoughts on it. Stolen plane. landed somewhere else. demands aren't made yet as to give the culprits time to distance themselves from the area....
(i do read to many adventure/mystery novels.)
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The pilots would have to be involved in that scenario, purposely flying below radar. Even with the transponder off, A 777 would be hard to miss flying that a thousand feet AGL/MSL.

My guess is that it either had a catastrophic electrical failure which disabled the transponder and prevented pilot contact (hard to conceive) and an attempt at a water ditch was successful - until it sank, or they were off course intentionally or unintentionally and the wreckage just hasn't been found yet.

When you hear the sound of hooves, expect horses - not zebras.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So an air defense might get a hit on the aircraft, but without a transponder signal in return has no idea what it is. And flying low as is alleged gives plenty of false readings without a transponder signal to give a return.
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How low is low for purposes of detection?
 
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AirVol said:
If the P-3 and MH-60 can't find it in the ocean, nothing will. I just think its they are looking in the wrong grids because there's no debris being found. This very well could be a hijacking, flew below radar, turned off the aircraft transponder, identifier and went elsewhere.
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Almost agree. Hijacking, followed by crash into mud/paddy or crashed into ocean way off search area. I just think someone would have seen it if landed.
 
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Septic said:
The pilots would have to be involved in that scenario, purposely flying below radar. Even with the transponder off, A 777 would be hard to miss flying that a thousand feet AGL/MSL.
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This would imply the Malaysians have a good radar net around the country. With no significant threats from the surrounding nations, I don't see them having the sophisticated overlapping radar coverage.

Septic said:
My guess is that it either had a catastrophic electrical failure which disabled the transponder and prevented pilot contact (hard to conceive) and an attempt at a water ditch was successful - until it sank, or they were off course intentionally or unintentionally and the wreckage just hasn't been found yet.

When you hear the sound of hooves, expect horses - not zebras.
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Don't those emergency transponder systems have battery backups in case of catastrophic power failure?
 
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And off topic, but does anyone else wonder if we are blowing up the NSA computers by continually talking about hijacking, Islamic terrorism and other watch words programmed into PRISM?
 
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AirVol said:
I miss that show.
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I tried to watch it and got somewhere into Season 4 before I just lost interest (no pun intended).

I was somewhere after the Agira landing when it just got silly for me. There was one thing that kept my interest all those years and her name was Kate lol
 
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Grand Vol said:
And off topic, but does anyone else wonder if we are blowing up the NSA computers by continually talking about hijacking, Islamic terrorism and other watch words programmed into PRISM?
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Drones are probably flying over your location.
 
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My understanding is the plane was tracked for 1.5 hours after the transponder quit.

Also reports are that the captain contacted a US base stating the cabin was coming apart.
(Something about a emergency channel used)
 
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AP story was updated

Local newspaper Berita Harian quoted Malaysian air force chief Gen. Rodzali Daud as saying radar at a military base had detected the airliner at 2:40 a.m. near Pulau Perak at the northern approach to the strait, a busy waterway that separates the western coast of Malaysia and Indonesia's Sumatra island.

"After that, the signal from the plane was lost," he was quoted as saying.
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The plane took off at 12:20 a.m.

Google location of Pulau Perak
 
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Grand Vol said:
I tried to watch it and got somewhere into Season 4 before I just lost interest (no pun intended).

I was somewhere after the Agira landing when it just got silly for me. There was one thing that kept my interest all those years and her name was Kate lol
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For you GV..
 

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Grand Vol said:
This would imply the Malaysians have a good radar net around the country. With no significant threats from the surrounding nations, I don't see them having the sophisticated overlapping radar coverage.



Don't those emergency transponder systems have battery backups in case of catastrophic power failure?
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The technology that fuels the worlds radar systems are generally the same, in fact most of the tech components are probably manufactured in that part of the world. I don't know anything about the radar overlapping or scope but that area should have been covered by multiple countries. Despite being Asian country's they should still have sophisticated plane tracking capability.

Additionally, many airlines use ACARS which automatically reports problems with aircraft via encrypted signals - the Air France plane that crashed a few years ago gave a pretty detailed report of the ****storm that occurred on board. They had that info long before they found the plane, likley in real time.

The transponder shouldn't fail and has redundancies and even the voice comm's have backups as well. Again, it was intentionally switched off or there was a complete loss of power. If it were a hi-jack scenario, there are specific transponder codes that are used to alert that fact. But even with a loss of power, a plane at cruising altitude could glide for >100 miles.

This is very bizarre.
 
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Interesting:

Malaysia Airlines MH370 disappears from air traffic map

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The moment the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 disappeared from air traffic maps has been captured on a flight tracking website.

Flightradar24.com shows and records satellite and transponder information to chart the flight paths of commercial airliners.

BBC Transport correspondent Richard Westcott explains that despite the tracking information. the exact location of where the plane came down is still not known.
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BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370 disappears from air traffic map
 
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Septic said:
The technology that fuels the worlds radar systems are generally the same, in fact most of the tech components are probably manufactured in that part of the world. I don't know anything about the radar overlapping or scope but that area should have been covered by multiple countries. Despite being Asian country's they should still have sophisticated plane tracking capability.
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Basically without transponder signals, those radars wouldn't give good signals though, right? Specific radar dependent of course. But either way, the implication would be the transponders were shut off or suffered a catastrophic malfunction. And being cut off intentionally would mean the crew, as a minimum one, was in on it (not sure if they carried a relief crew on that flight). A catastrophic malfunction could be a variety of things.

Septic said:
Additionally, many airlines use ACARS which automatically reports problems with aircraft via encrypted signals - the Air France plane that crashed a few years ago gave a pretty detailed report of the ****storm that occurred on board. They had that info long before they found the plane, likley in real time.
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I was curious about that, whether the flight data could be sent in real time.

Septic said:
The transponder shouldn't fail and has redundancies and even the voice comm's have backups as well. Again, it was intentionally switched off or there was a complete loss of power. If it were a hi-jack scenario, there are specific transponder codes that are used to alert that fact. But even with a loss of power, a plane at cruising altitude could glide for >100 miles.

This is very bizarre.
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Agreed.
 
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Septic said:
The transponder shouldn't fail and has redundancies and even the voice comm's have backups as well. Again, it was intentionally switched off or there was a complete loss of power. If it were a hi-jack scenario, there are specific transponder codes that are used to alert that fact. But even with a loss of power, a plane at cruising altitude could glide for >100 miles.

This is very bizarre.
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Good point. Or the essential DC bus circuit breaker could've been pushed in for transponder.
 
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If the SOB crashed into triple canopy jungle, it's pretty easy to figure that its not at all visible from the air.
 
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