Milton’s future role

#51
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BigALWiLson said:
Or he puts HB in and he takes the reins and doesn't look back. Two coaching staffs ? I question that considering every QB to play for Pruitt and Chaney got worse while they were here. Tb fair Bailey didn't get spring last season and that is important for most players especially the QB spot. He still started 3 games and played in 6 total. His numbers were much better than Milton. 50% vs 70% is a wide gap if the offense is moving. Milton nor Hooker have set the world on fire. In fact they have been sacked 7 times and turned the ball over 5 times directly. You may be out on Bailey but im not. Let him play and go from there. Game managers hit homerun balls. Hooker played well enough I want to see more of him. Milton no thanks. Before you say we need a mobile qb, no if the qb is capable of getting the ball to guys in space on time you can win either way. Bailey has already ran for a few first downs as a college qb. He doesn't run like the others I just think with the right coaching he can be a better RPO guy because he can use the TE. We saw that last year. Hooker did a good job of that also yesterday. We saw more balls thrown to those guys in 1 game than we have 4 years. RPO qb's do not necessarily have to run.
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100%. HB isn’t a trash QB like some of the guys on here think that are in love with mobile QB’s. At this point, if Heupel won’t give HB a shot, I’d love to see him go to a team UT will play in 2023 and go something like 34/40 for 600 yards against UT. As you pointed out HB has a 70% completion ratio but he’s a throw away QB to many because he’s not very mobile.
 
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Wide open receivers running down the field 60 yds makes DC's nervous regardless if you hit them or not. It keeps the Safties back and out of the box. Regardless what some think our run game is better when Milton is in. CH's offence his receivers are lined up wider so you better have a QB who can make a strong throw especially on bubble screens and quick outs. Milton can make those throws. His game management is not what got us beat. Sitting Milton and playing one of the others especially when a team schemes for them might change some minds real quick. Hope i'm wrong.
 
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VolRage said:
100%. HB isn’t a trash QB like some of the guys on here think that are in love with mobile QB’s. At this point, if Heupel won’t give HB a shot, I’d love to see him go to a team UT will play in 2023 and go something like 34/40 for 600 yards against UT. As you pointed out HB has a 70% completion ratio but he’s a throw away QB to many because he’s not very mobile.
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I prefer a mobile QB all day long in college football over a pocket passer, and I would not hesitate to start Bailey next week.
 
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VolRage said:
100%. HB isn’t a trash QB like some of the guys on here think that are in love with mobile QB’s. At this point, if Heupel won’t give HB a shot, I’d love to see him go to a team UT will play in 2023 and go something like 34/40 for 600 yards against UT. As you pointed out HB has a 70% completion ratio but he’s a throw away QB to many because he’s not very mobile.
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Why not 40/40 for 700 yds?
 
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Mccage said:
Wide open receivers running down the field 60 yds makes DC's nervous regardless if you hit them or not. It keeps the Safties back and out of the box. Regardless what some think our run game is better when Milton is in. CH's offence his receivers are lined up wider so you better have a QB who can make a strong throw especially on bubble screens and quick outs. Milton can make those throws. His game management is not what got us beat. Sitting Milton and playing one of the others especially when a team schemes for them might change some minds real quick. Hope i'm wrong.
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You are.
1. If you actually hit those deep balls you score points.
2. Said points win games
3. We are not running on any SEC team with the backs featured yesterday. Evans we have a shot, with Small in relief. Also need a short yardage guy. Develope him.
4. Umm did you see Hookers throw to Calloway ?
5. Disagree Milton's inability to hit the deep ball he keeps throwin puts us behind the chains and stops the clock. If we don't convert the defense is left on the field. More than once has he taken the deep shot with other guys open and the result was losing TOP. It hurts us.
 
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SIAP….but Basilio show was saying Milton was good to go back in and CJH stuck with Hooker. If true, I’m good with it.
 
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Play Hooker and Bailey against Tech. Tell the world that Milton is injured. Plan a scheme using both Hooker and Bailey against UF.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Bailey can still be redshirted if he plays a few games I do believe. Bailey just isnt good enough to play.
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What amazes me is Bailey gets written off because he did not turn into the second coming of Peyton last year in the few games he was allowed to play after Pruitt rode JG into hell. I dont know if HB is the best but it is crazy to compare his play against serious SEC competition while on the WORST TEAM IN 100+ YEAR UT HISTORY with the less than stellar (to put it mildly) play of Milton and Hooker against OOC cupcakes.

And dont give me this garbage about how good Pitt is. Top 1/3rd of SEC would chew them up and spit them out without even breaking a sweat. If we had a QB worth a crap actually playing, we would have crushed them ourselves.
 
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Gandalf said:
What amazes me is Bailey gets written off because he did not turn into the second coming of Peyton last year in the few games he was allowed to play after Pruitt rode JG into hell. I dont know if HB is the best but it is crazy to compare his play against serious SEC competition while on the WORST TEAM IN 100+ YEAR UT HISTORY with the less than stellar (to put it mildly) play of Milton and Hooker against OOC cupcakes.

And dont give me this garbage about how good Pitt is. Top 1/3rd of SEC would chew them up and spit them out without even breaking a sweat. If we had a QB worth a crap actually playing, we would have crushed them ourselves.
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Arkansas and Ole Miss would have crushed Pitt like a beer can, and we should have.
 
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Personally, I think its a combination of factors that are inhibiting Bailey's chances. First (and mainly), he does not fit the current offensive scheme. He's a prototypical pocket passer. Second, the coaches likely think that even to the extent they could get comfortable with a pocket passer with minimum mobility in their offensive system (see Drew Locke, mentioned above), the current offensive line (and lack of depth at that position) make it all but impossible to have Bailey play much and have success. The pass protection breaks down too quickly and a mobile quarterback is practically an imperative. Milton for all his faults can throw the ball and make all the throws from an arm strength standpoint., and is pretty mobile. Accurate passing no, not so far, at least on long balls. Maybe never. But two games into the season may be too soon to write him off. Hooker has better mobility and has a good arm too. Frankly, I expect CJH knows his "desired" quarterback isn't on campus yet. He's probably still playing high school ball.

The fact is we are two games into a gigantic rebuilding project. It's not going to happen overnight. The coaches are talented and they are trying to put puzzle pieces together and make the team better. Let them do their jobs.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Unfortunately Milton likes to show off his arm and has very little accuracy doing it. He treats this offense like he’s on a playground, wants to go deep way too often. After Hookers first series he settled down and was efficient. I just don’t think JH thinks Bailey fits this offense. I hope we see all 3 QB’s against Tech but I doubt it. I am way more concerned with the amount of penalties we had and our inefficient play in the red zone.
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Bailey fits Heupel's offense better than Hooker (he's a better passer) but I do think Heupel likes what Hooker can do on the ground. Bailey doesn't have that extra dimension.
 
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Anyone surprised by Milton's actual attributes has not watched his play. That includes Heupel apparently. Michigan knew it, their fans knew it, but somehow we were going to fix him up in one fall camp.

Hope and wishes go in one hand, you know what goes in the other.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Or he puts HB in and he takes the reins and doesn't look back. Two coaching staffs ? I question that considering every QB to play for Pruitt and Chaney got worse while they were here. Tb fair Bailey didn't get spring last season and that is important for most players especially the QB spot. He still started 3 games and played in 6 total. His numbers were much better than Milton. 50% vs 70% is a wide gap if the offense is moving. Milton nor Hooker have set the world on fire. In fact they have been sacked 7 times and turned the ball over 5 times directly. You may be out on Bailey but im not. Let him play and go from there. Game managers hit homerun balls. Hooker played well enough I want to see more of him. Milton no thanks. Before you say we need a mobile qb, no if the qb is capable of getting the ball to guys in space on time you can win either way. Bailey has already ran for a few first downs as a college qb. He doesn't run like the others I just think with the right coaching he can be a better RPO guy because he can use the TE. We saw that last year. Hooker did a good job of that also yesterday. We saw more balls thrown to those guys in 1 game than we have 4 years. RPO qb's do not necessarily have to run.
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I'm going to eliminate myself from the conversation. I'm basing my opinions of Bailey based solely on the fact he keeps finding himself at the bottom of the depth chart between TWO different coaching regimes and their rotating staffs. I truly believe if he was better than Milton or Hooker he would be playing. I find Hooker to me more 1D than Milton so that's why I understand why he got the nod. Bailey has done nothing since being to college to warrant the amount of support he has like is just guaranteed success and a 10 win season. If he stays here I see his career going no different than Jim Bob Cooters.
 
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VolRage said:
I disagree. If HB went to Memphis and we played them in a few years, a Memphis team lead by HB would kick UT’s butt. Memphis is better than UT right now.

HB is a better pocket passer than either Milton or Hooker. He just isn’t very mobile so he’s trash in everyone’s minds that are infatuated with mobile QB’s.
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Who says he is a better pocket passer? What proof do you have? I'm over this unproven Bailey hype. He wasn't even the best player on his high school team and the longer he is here and doesn't play the more it looks like he was carried by the stars around him in high school.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
I'm going to eliminate myself from the conversation. I'm basing my opinions of Bailey based solely on the fact he keeps finding himself at the bottom of the depth chart between TWO different coaching regimes and their rotating staffs. I truly believe if he was better than Milton or Hooker he would be playing. I find Hooker to me more 1D than Milton so that's why I understand why he got the nod. Bailey has done nothing since being to college to warrant the amount of support he has like is just guaranteed success and a 10 win season. If he stays here I see his career going no different than Jim Bob Cooters.
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Shouldn't he have been at the bottom naturally last season ? Isn't that common sense with limited practice because of covid ? He still played that says enough.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Shouldn't he have been at the bottom naturally last season ? Isn't that common sense with limited practice because of covid ? He still played that says enough.
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If Bailey was the best QB he would be starting. He isn't only NOT starting he is the bottom of the depth chart AGAIN. If he can't beat out JG (idc if he was a freshman), Milton, or Hooker then really how good is he? Obviously not very.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
You are.
1. If you actually hit those deep balls you score points.
2. Said points win games
3. We are not running on any SEC team with the backs featured yesterday. Evans we have a shot, with Small in relief. Also need a short yardage guy. Develope him.
4. Umm did you see Hookers throw to Calloway ?
5. Disagree Milton's inability to hit the deep ball he keeps throwin puts us behind the chains and stops the clock. If we don't convert the defense is left on the field. More than once has he taken the deep shot with other guys open and the result was losing TOP. It hurts us.
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Can't disagree with anything you said results back it up. Everybody wants a 1st rounder at QB we ain't got that. I still believe any Coach plays who they think gives them the best chance to win. Its their lively hood. No way am I going to start bashing a Coach after 2 games especially the hand he was dealt. Hookers throw to Calloway is exactly what you need but can he make the deep throws? Hope so or this offence will be limited. Can Bailey make the strong throws to the sideline? I think we are going to find out.
I think CH was giving Milton the chance to make those throws and if he connects on just a couple he would remain our QB.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
If Bailey was the best QB he would be starting. He isn't only NOT starting he is the bottom of the depth chart AGAIN. If he can't beat out JG (idc if he was a freshman), Milton, or Hooker then really how good is he? Obviously not very.
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I want to see more of Hooker. Bailey should see PT against Tech. He may look bad, he may look great. The fact is he started 3 games last year against better competition. His completion percentage is higher. Even if he is throwing check downs he still moved the ball against those teams. He has less turnovers. That is the concept i give 0 fks if he can run. Running isnt the problem. Accuracy and timing are issues with our team. You need to watch what Arik Gilbert had to say about HB and his abilities. Your assumptions are bs and inaccurate. Arik Gilbert who does he play for again ? Oh thats right. He transferred from LSU to UGA and isnt with the team. Or wasn't to start the season.
 
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Mccage said:
Can't disagree with anything you said results back it up. Everybody wants a 1st rounder at QB we ain't got that. I still believe any Coach plays who they think gives them the best chance to win. Its their lively hood. No way am I going to start bashing a Coach after 2 games especially the hand he was dealt. Hookers throw to Calloway is exactly what you need but can he make the deep throws? Hope so or this offence will be limited. Can Bailey make the strong throws to the sideline? I think we are going to find out.
I think CH was giving Milton the chance to make those throws and if he connects on just a couple he would remain our QB.
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Im not bashing Heupel. I believe he will do some things here. He picked the wrong guy and has done so previously. Else he wouldn't have benched his starter at UCF previously. I truly do like Heupel. Not sure we have a first rounder at qb, maybe long term. Bailey's arm strength is about the same as Hooker. They both collectively can throw the ball accurately about 40 yards. Maybe throwing 50-55 yards on a hail mary type play. That is where Milton could come into play in those situations. Milton has one of if not the strongest arm in college fb. Thats not his problem.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Who says he is a better pocket passer? What proof do you have? I'm over this unproven Bailey hype. He wasn't even the best player on his high school team and the longer he is here and doesn't play the more it looks like he was carried by the stars around him in high school.
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Oh, I don’t know. Maybe the fact that HB has a 70% completion ration AGAINST SEC COMPETITION last year. Is it that hard to understand? What proof do you have that Milton is really QB1? Because Heup chose him? We saw yesterday that Hooker is better so……. Are my eyes lying?

I know, I know. But, but, but Milton is a practice National Champion QB so Heup thinks it will eventually translate to the game. Well, it hasn’t and doesn’t appear it ever will. Milton a doing the same exact things at UT that he did at Michigan.
 
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