Milton’s drop rate #1 in SEC

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Fullfillmer said:
Neither Hooker or Bailey are on the list. Bailey doesn't have enough attempts - at the end of the day Milton doesn't throw a very catchable ball = that's why he leads the SEC in drops passes while Hooker throwing to those same receivers is not in the top 10. So if 1. you throw a burning rocketball with no touch - that the receivers can't catch and 2, you also lead the league in overthrown passes, have a low quarterback rating, were at Michigan 3 years with similar problems, then ....

Then it must be the fault of the coaches, the receivers, and the other quarterbacks
and people concerned that there might be a small problem with Milton's qb play are just jealous or racist.

I have nothing against Milton - have seen a few qbs in my day -
not many - but some get it turned around. Most do not.
I like him, but I question if someone, anyone can fix his shortcomings.

If a punt, pass, and kick contest breaks out - He is my guy.
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The dropped passes are not Milton’s fault. Milton has a strong arm but certainly not “one of a kind’ unique. Plenty of strong armed Qb’s that were successful because their receivers could catch the ball. JT threw the ball just as hard as Milton. One poster recently posted details on how the receivers are practicing with a machine at 70mph. More speed than Milton can generate.
 
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Every throw does not have to be the hardest you can throw the ball. It appears Milton wants to show everyone how strong his arm is on every pass. I agree if it hits the hands of the receiver they should catch the ball. But, Milton needs to put some air under his long ball and some touch on his short passes. It is hard to run the deep ball down when it has the trajectory of a heat-seeking missile. JMHO
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He explained in detail much better than I can. You’re just lazy and don’t won’t to see anything that solidly refutes your opinion.
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You appear to be quite slow.

Someone had a thought, that someone was not you, which certainly seems understandable.

You wanted to share that thought with me, which can be done in at least 2 ways.

You could paraphrase and relay it to me in your own words. Or quote his thought and @ me in the quote.

You appear too incompetent to do either. Lol.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
The announcers and/or analysts while calling games or while analyzing a player. I've heard a lot say about certain QB's (he throws a very catchable ball) I heard this all my life. So there has got to be something to it the ball spin, the speed, the nuance on certain routes. IMO it's just not as simple as catches and drops or these analysts wouldn't bring it up. I'm sure some WR's can catch about anything thrown at them but they're few and far between and end up in the NFL. FYI I'm not just talking about Milton I've heard this refrain about a lot of QB's over the years.
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What makes a "catchable" ball is a little bit of wobble in it. It helps the receiver's eye gauge the ball's distance and rotation. On a long pass, the wind resistance from a little wobble also slows the ball down at the end of its trajectory, which also shortens the curve on a long pass (the same shape as the first hill on a traditional roller coaster), so that the ball drops into their hands. Too much wobble and the extra wind resistance makes it difficult (for the receiver) to gauge the speed and time its arrival--thus, the wounded duck pass.

Of course, anything that makes a pass more "catchable" for the receiver also benefits the defenders, allowing more time for them to improve their position.

Milton's passes look pristine, with no wobble--just perfect spirals. To the receiver that means they arrive sooner than other throws. Understand: Milton's passes may not be that much faster when they leave his hand than other QBs. The difference is that his passes aren't losing speed in the air and over a distance. So with their eyes, receivers have to pick up the ball sooner and have their hands in better position so it doesn't slip between them. Those spirals are also generating aerodynamic lift, so the cleaner the spiral, the more lengthened its trajectory.

For a receiver, the difference between catching a Milton pass and a Bailey pass is kinda like the difference between handling a line drive from 3rd base, or from shallow left field. At 3rd, you've just got to focus and get your mitt in front of the ball. From shallow left, you have time to process more information about the ball's spin, speed, trajectory, etc.

BUT...
Our receivers have been handling Milton's passes since April. And they've been catching them in practice, or they wouldn't be seeing the field on gameday! Our receivers also practice with JUGS machines, which also (unless specifically altered) send out a perfect spiral. Our receivers are not being taken by surprise.

The greatest advantage of an accurate Milton throw is that our receivers are used to them--but the defenders are not! They have less time to react than against a normal QB. Having Milton in the game is like adding weight to the shoes of every pass defender.

SO WHY THE DROPS?
First of all, has anyone heard our coaches complaining of dropped passes in practice?

I think gameday drops (and they've happened to each of our QBs) are more likely focus-related. Defensive coordinators understand that our receivers and QB are reading the coverages and adjusting routes accordingly. It's almost always easier to confuse a receiver than a QB (see Manning vs Florida). And by confuse, I don't necessarily mean the receiver totally runs the wrong route. More likely, he hesitates at the snap, or runs a split second slower to give himself time to process what he didn't expect to see. Instead of setting up his cuts, he may run them on autopilot as his mind is still trying to confirm that he's making the right read. It's the difference between 100% focus and 85% focus, and that yields back to the defender whatever edge the receiver had when the play began.

The reason Marvin Harrison is in the NFL HoF is not because Peyton was his QB. It's because he and Peyton always saw the same things looking at the defense, and Peyton could confidently--even blindly--deliver the ball to where Harrison should be. I think mentally, the game for our receivers has yet to slow down.

Tonight, will Florida also try to trick them, or will they assume they can defeat them with superior athleticism? I think Florida's DC will have 3 or 4 set up plays, situational schemes designed to create a turnover. Expect to see someone leave their man to jump another route. But that will be harder to do against a QB whose passes don't spend that much time in the air.
 
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GTBATV said:
Maybe we should start another qb thread.
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kptvol1 said:
What’s with the hate?! Does it make you feel better to knock somebody down? I understood what he was saying. We’re all on the same team here!
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OG.V83 said:
Yeah well you sound like an uppity azz b1tch up there where you're @
But hey .. Go Vols
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Appreciate that yall,I got on read that had to re-read again.Man some folks really got life upside down huh.I hate to have that dude as a neighbor,friend,fb buddy lol..We cool tho hell my 7 yr old says stupid sh*t all the time also,he learn eventually like they will..Go Vols
 
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TitanicVolz said:
Appreciate that yall,I got on read that had to re-read again.Man some folks really got life upside down huh.I hate to have that dude as a neighbor,friend,fb buddy lol..We cool tho hell my 7 yr old says stupid sh*t all the time also,he learn eventually like they will..Go Vols
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Meh….. some people just try and flaunt their intellectualism online…….maybe makes them feel more important? Proper grammar + a few $5.00 words = higher self esteem?

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate being well spoken and articulate……but you using short hand or improper grammar ona message board???? OHHH the travesty against humanity!!
 
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The question is can he throw a catchable ball? The answer seems to be NO.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
What makes a "catchable" ball is a little bit of wobble in it. It helps the receiver's eye gauge the ball's distance and rotation. On a long pass, the wind resistance from a little wobble also slows the ball down at the end of its trajectory, which also shortens the curve on a long pass (the same shape as the first hill on a traditional roller coaster), so that the ball drops into their hands. Too much wobble and the extra wind resistance makes it difficult (for the receiver) to gauge the speed and time its arrival--thus, the wounded duck pass.

Of course, anything that makes a pass more "catchable" for the receiver also benefits the defenders, allowing more time for them to improve their position.

Milton's passes look pristine, with no wobble--just perfect spirals. To the receiver that means they arrive sooner than other throws. Understand: Milton's passes may not be that much faster when they leave his hand than other QBs. The difference is that his passes aren't losing speed in the air and over a distance. So with their eyes, receivers have to pick up the ball sooner and have their hands in better position so it doesn't slip between them. Those spirals are also generating aerodynamic lift, so the cleaner the spiral, the more lengthened its trajectory.

For a receiver, the difference between catching a Milton pass and a Bailey pass is kinda like the difference between handling a line drive from 3rd base, or from shallow left field. At 3rd, you've just got to focus and get your mitt in front of the ball. From shallow left, you have time to process more information about the ball's spin, speed, trajectory, etc.

BUT...
Our receivers have been handling Milton's passes since April. And they've been catching them in practice, or they wouldn't be seeing the field on gameday! Our receivers also practice with JUGS machines, which also (unless specifically altered) send out a perfect spiral. Our receivers are not being taken by surprise.

The greatest advantage of an accurate Milton throw is that our receivers are used to them--but the defenders are not! They have less time to react than against a normal QB. Having Milton in the game is like adding weight to the shoes of every pass defender.

SO WHY THE DROPS?
First of all, has anyone heard our coaches complaining of dropped passes in practice?

I think gameday drops (and they've happened to each of our QBs) are more likely focus-related. Defensive coordinators understand that our receivers and QB are reading the coverages and adjusting routes accordingly. It's almost always easier to confuse a receiver than a QB (see Manning vs Florida). And by confuse, I don't necessarily mean the receiver totally runs the wrong route. More likely, he hesitates at the snap, or runs a split second slower to give himself time to process what he didn't expect to see. Instead of setting up his cuts, he may run them on autopilot as his mind is still trying to confirm that he's making the right read. It's the difference between 100% focus and 85% focus, and that yields back to the defender whatever edge the receiver had when the play began.

The reason Marvin Harrison is in the NFL HoF is not because Peyton was his QB. It's because he and Peyton always saw the same things looking at the defense, and Peyton could confidently--even blindly--deliver the ball to where Harrison should be. I think mentally, the game for our receivers has yet to slow down.

Tonight, will Florida also try to trick them, or will they assume they can defeat them with superior athleticism? I think Florida's DC will have 3 or 4 set up plays, situational schemes designed to create a turnover. Expect to see someone leave their man to jump another route. But that will be harder to do against a QB whose passes don't spend that much time in the air.
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I’m in on the focus aspect of the catch. Anytime a ball isn’t in stride it forces the receiver to focus more, that’s why we see so many spectacular catches and unbelievable drops. When a ball is delivered in stride and the receiver recognizes it early in the throw they can lose focus and start thinking what they will do after the catch, creating a drop.
 
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allvol123 said:
You appear to be quite slow.

Someone had a thought, that someone was not you, which certainly seems understandable.

You wanted to share that thought with me, which can be done in at least 2 ways.

You could paraphrase and relay it to me in your own words. Or quote his thought and @ me in the quote.

You appear too incompetent to do either. Lol.
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I standby by my comments. I pointed you in the right direction for the alternative opinion with solid facts to support it. You are lazy and or simply have too much ego to review it.
 
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Clearly Milton has issues with the throw game. Can it be fixed? IDK. Clearly several of our receivers have had trouble securing the thrown pass. Put the two together and we’ve got what we’ve seen the first three games. As a Vol fan…I sure hope we get this straightened out…soon. But I’m also a huge history buff…so history with Milton certainly isn’t on his side.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
The dropped passes are not Milton’s fault. Milton has a strong arm but certainly not “one of a kind’ unique. Plenty of strong armed Qb’s that were successful because their receivers could catch the ball. JT threw the ball just as hard as Milton. One poster recently posted details on how the receivers are practicing with a machine at 70mph. More speed than Milton can generate.
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That's a jugs machine and you typically are looking in the direction of the machine - not coming out of your break - catching off of the jugs. It amazes me how many people don't think that there isn't any logic or statistical probability to certain numbers. There has to be some underlying reason for the numbers.

It could be that we simply have the misfortune of suddenly having the worst receivers in the league - much worse than Vanderbilt or South Carolina or -

It could be that balls are reaching receivers before they come out of their break, are arriving slightly behind them - are arriving with too much pace for the distance apart, or some combination or all of the above. All I know is that the fact that by far the most drops in the league are happening with this quarterback and not say Hooker, then my suspicions are going to start there. Trevor Lawrence could throw it as hard as Milton - and we all know how that ended .... so it's not how hard can you throw it, but can you throw it with touch and timing.
 
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Florida ain't stupid their gonna run a safety 2 back high a game.Im not sure how good their lbs are,but they will give up 10 yard dunks and slants,as long as they stay 10 yards deep center field as a safety.If we played Florida week one outta those 5 2 prib get picked.I don't think Milton males it out the first half.My opinion and hope im proven wrong.Ole rock hands flying Hyatt needs to get stick em or somethjng.Kids got potential to be a decent NFL wr,size all that,hard be a wr if u can't catch
 
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Vol524 said:
Every throw does not have to be the hardest you can throw the ball. It appears Milton wants to show everyone how strong his arm is on every pass. I agree if it hits the hands of the receiver they should catch the ball. But, Milton needs to put some air under his long ball and some touch on his short passes. It is hard to run the deep ball down when it has the trajectory of a heat-seeking missile. JMHO
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I agree with you on the deep ball, but on the short passes his job is to get it there as fast as he can. It’s on the receivers who are literally on scholarship to catch the football, to catch it when it hits their hands.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
That's a jugs machine and you typically are looking in the direction of the machine - not coming out of your break - catching off of the jugs. It amazes me how many people don't think that there isn't any logic or statistical probability to certain numbers. There has to be some underlying reason for the numbers.

It could be that we simply have the misfortune of suddenly having the worst receivers in the league - much worse than Vanderbilt or South Carolina or -

It could be that balls are reaching receivers before they come out of their break, are arriving slightly behind them - are arriving with too much pace for the distance apart, or some combination or all of the above. All I know is that the fact that by far the most drops in the league are happening with this quarterback and not say Hooker, then my suspicions are going to start there. Trevor Lawrence could throw it as hard as Milton - and we all know how that ended .... so it's not how hard can you throw it, but can you throw it with touch and timing.
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Simple explanation. Our receivers are young and unproven despite their potential. As someone noted here they are probably lacking focus in game time situations or not handling the pressure well when the ball is thrown there way. Some have it, some don’t. That is why you never know if a player is a gamer or not regardless of his talent.
 
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volfan_28 said:
It’d be nice if our guys would catch the ball, but how much of this is due to the fact that he throws the hardest ball in the league?
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I'd say it has a significant amount to do with the fact he throws the ball so hard. Hooker is throwing to the same receivers, and he's not in the top 10.
 
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