Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

[LouderVol]

Yea, walls don’t work well if their aim is to keep oppressed people in, they will risk a great deal to get over it, and out.

Walls work much better when their aim is to keep otherwise free peoples out. It’s why neighborhoods put them up.

Not all “walls” are made of brick and mortar, though. Some are composed of nothing more than sound policy.

walls are a speed bump. their real intent is to buy the defender enough time to respond and be able to do so in a controlled manner. a wall (passive system) has to be backed up by some some of active system to actually be effective at keeping people out. otherwise it just slows people down.

 

[McDad]

walls are a speed bump. their real intent is to buy the defender enough time to respond and be able to do so in a controlled manner. a wall (passive system) has to be backed up by some some of active system to actually be effective at keeping people out. otherwise it just slows people down.

100%. This has also been my position from day one wrt to Trump's wall.

 

[85SugarVol]

walls are a speed bump. their real intent is to buy the defender enough time to respond and be able to do so in a controlled manner. a wall (passive system) has to be backed up by some some of active system to actually be effective at keeping people out. otherwise it just slows people down.

My reply was a critique of your Iron Curtain analogy.

The “wall” is more effective at keeping people out, than it is keeping people in.
The neighborhood wall will never keep in trapped people, but it will keep out most free people.

Is there an active system in place at the southern border right now?

 

[LouderVol]

My reply was a critique of your Iron Curtain analogy.

The “wall” is more effective at keeping people out, than it is keeping people in.
The neighborhood wall will never keep in trapped people, but it will keep out most free people.

Is there an active system in place at the southern border right now?

more so than there was.

 

[85SugarVol]

more so than there was.

Certainly moreso than there was. They’ve stopped allowing free entry.
As well as an active program to remove illegals from the interior.

There is a policy “wall” in place currently.

Do you believe the addition of a physical wall would increase or decrease border security at this point?

 

[LouderVol]

Certainly moreso than there was. They’ve stopped allowing free entry.
As well as an active program to remove illegals from the interior.

There is a policy “wall” in place currently.

Do you believe the addition of a physical wall would increase or decrease border security at this point?

from immigration, maybe a little. just guessing but ~10% difference

from the cartels, negligible. less than 5%

from an actual enemy agent out to do harm to the US, less than 1%

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[85SugarVol]

from immigration, maybe a little. just guessing but ~10% difference

from the cartels, negligible. less than 5%

from an actual enemy agent out to do harm to the US, less than 1%

Yes, I was speaking from an illegal immigration perspective.

It wouldn’t be Hadrian’s Wall to defend against raids from the Picts.

 

[Vol737]

I don’t know that Rogan has changed his mind on this particular issue. Of course, I haven’t seen a lot of episodes lately, but at least I haven’t heard a change in his tone on this. With illegal crossings down to a trickle in the past two months with a wholesale policy change and more security, how many families have been separated from each other since Trump took office? I know he does like a lot of other Trump policy initiatives, though. The past four years and a lot of the guests in his show have certainly shifted Rogan’s view on a lot of issues.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, I was speaking from an illegal immigration perspective.

It wouldn’t be Hadrian’s Wall to defend against raids from the Picts.

as Trump proved at day 1. the biggest impact is rhetoric. another 200 miles of wall weren't magically built on day 1 that restricted the flow. it was people, on both sides of the border, knowing the border was important again that did the most to cut it off.

Next would be Trump's "policy" changes, not really policy but staffing/executive orders. more people, allowed to freely do their job. at some point there is a critical mass where Border Control loses control and a lot more than some "normal" ratio get in. Trump fixed that by tipping the scales and making them more efficient. no wall was needed for that.

for people who have walked thousands of miles a 30' wall isn't that much of a barrier. knowing that they aren't going to have a comfy life on the other side as an illegal is going to do the vast majority of the work. that knowledge makes all of the physical aspects pointless.

I would put real fixes to the immigration system as a more effective means of controlling immigration than the wall. but neither side makes money off of that. better to leave the problem so that both sides can continue to "address" the issue while never fixing it.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don’t know that Rogan has changed his mind on this particular issue. Of course, I haven’t seen a lot of episodes lately, but at least I haven’t heard a change in his tone on this. With illegal crossings down to a trickle in the past two months with a wholesale policy change and more security, how many families have been separated from each other since Trump took office? I know he does like a lot of other Trump policy initiatives, though. The past four years and a lot of the guests in his show have certainly shifted Rogan’s view on a lot of issues.

He's all in on the voting CT's now

 

[hndog609]

I don’t know that Rogan has changed his mind on this particular issue. Of course, I haven’t seen a lot of episodes lately, but at least I haven’t heard a change in his tone on this. With illegal crossings down to a trickle in the past two months with a wholesale policy change and more security, how many families have been separated from each other since Trump took office? I know he does like a lot of other Trump policy initiatives, though. The past four years and a lot of the guests in his show have certainly shifted Rogan’s view on a lot of issues.

How the Left handled Covid, particularly in CA where he lived at the time, changed his perspective quite a bit. When he skipped out of CA for TX he left more than his previous address behind.

 

[85SugarVol]

as Trump proved at day 1. the biggest impact is rhetoric. another 200 miles of wall weren't magically built on day 1 that restricted the flow. it was people, on both sides of the border, knowing the border was important again that did the most to cut it off.

Next would be Trump's "policy" changes, not really policy but staffing/executive orders. more people, allowed to freely do their job. at some point there is a critical mass where Border Control loses control and a lot more than some "normal" ratio get in. Trump fixed that by tipping the scales and making them more efficient. no wall was needed for that.

for people who have walked thousands of miles a 30' wall isn't that much of a barrier. knowing that they aren't going to have a comfy life on the other side as an illegal is going to do the vast majority of the work. that knowledge makes all of the physical aspects pointless.

I would put real fixes to the immigration system as a more effective means of controlling immigration than the wall. but neither side makes money off of that. better to leave the problem so that both sides can continue to "address" the issue while never fixing it.

Yes it’s what I alluded to in the first post -

Not all “walls” are made of brick and mortar, though. Some are composed of nothing more than sound policy.

The change in policy is what drove the 96% reduction.
No longer cutting holes in the fence and inviting illegals in will go a long way towards reducing illegal immigration.

A physical wall would simply augment the policy wall that has been erected.

And likely serve as psychological barrier (in addition to the actual proven physical barrier). Much like the “oh no, we’ll get sent to a gulag in El Salvador” is probably serving as a psychological deterrent.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes it’s what I alluded to in the first post -



The change in policy is what drove the 96% reduction.
No longer cutting holes in the fence and inviting illegals in will go a long way towards reducing illegal immigration.

A physical wall would simply augment the policy wall that has been erected.

And likely serve as psychological barrier (in addition to the actual proven physical barrier). Much like the “oh no, we’ll get sent to a gulag in El Salvador” is probably serving as a psychological deterrent.

a wall on augments the policy if that policy comes with active (people) support.

Go back to the end of Trump 1.0, look at how much wall was there.
go back to biden's time, look at how much wall was there.

it didn't change, but the number of migrants did.

a wall is only useful if its defended. imo that makes it at best a tertiary system of securing our border against immigration. its better than nothing, but only because nothing is nothing.

 

[85SugarVol]

a wall on augments the policy if that policy comes with active (people) support.

Go back to the end of Trump 1.0, look at how much wall was there.
go back to biden's time, look at how much wall was there.

it didn't change, but the number of migrants did.

a wall is only useful if its defended. imo that makes it at best a tertiary system of securing our border against immigration. its better than nothing, but only because nothing is nothing.

The wall is almost useless without the policy behind it.

But as long as there is enforcement behind them, physical walls (to keep people out) have been incredibly successful for millennia.

 

[Vol737]

He's all in on the voting CT's now

CT’s?

 

[n_huffhines]

CT’s?

Conspiracy theories. Whatever compassion he might still hold for illegal immigrants has been overcome by fears that illegals are coming here to fix things for Democrat wins, which just so happens to align with the people who make up his current audience.

 

[Sandman 423]

Conspiracy theories. Whatever compassion he might still hold for illegal immigrants has been overcome by fears that illegals are coming here to fix things for Democrat wins, which just so happens to align with the people who make up his current audience.

Got anything other than your opinion to back that up?

 

[Vol737]

Conspiracy theories. Whatever compassion he might still hold for illegal immigrants has been overcome by fears that illegals are coming here to fix things for Democrat wins, which just so happens to align with the people who make up his current audience.

I don’t know if I’ve heard him say that, but he certainly questioned what reason would the Biden admin/left have for letting millions just roll into the US, bypassing our normal immigration procedure.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don’t know if I’ve heard him say that, but he certainly questioned what reason would the Biden admin/left have for letting millions just roll into the US, bypassing our normal immigration procedure.

Well, let me know when he starts making passionate arguments in defense of illegal immigrants vs. deportation. The point is he has changed, and I don't think you're gonna hear any of that from him.

 

[85SugarVol]

I don’t know if I’ve heard him say that, but he certainly questioned what reason would the Biden admin/left have for letting millions just roll into the US, bypassing our normal immigration procedure.

Illegal Aliens are counted in the census, which determines House apportionment.

Democrats need the headcount (and illegal works fine) in places like California & New York where they are losing population to places like Texas & Florida.

Population flight is leading to a loss of House seats (and EC votes). Can’t have that.
Illegal Aliens can buoy the numbers and mitigate the impact.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Kristi Noem Appears To Wear $60K Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Watch During Visit To Infamous Hellhole El Salvador Prison​

Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem appears to have worn a gold Rolex watch worth nearly $60,000 during her visit to a notorious hellhole prison in El Salvador on Wednesday.

The flashy bling — which Noem spotted wearing as she filmed a video in front of a cell full of inmates at the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) — was identified as a gold Rolex Cosmograph Daytona in a viral post on X.

A new Cosmograph Daytona sells online for $59,500, according to online listings.

She was wearing the same watch in her meeting with Colombia’s foreign minister on Thursday.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/27/us-ne...wear-60k-rolex-at-el-salvadors-cecot-prison/#

The watch appeared to be a Cosmograph Daytona Rolex, worth $60k new.


Kristi Noem appeared to be wearing a $60k Rolex during her visit to an El Salvador prison.

Kristi Noem wears $60K Rolex Cosmograph Daytona watch during visit to infamous hellhole El Salvador prison

Noem was spotted wearing the flashy bling as she filmed a video in front of a cell full of inmates at the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT).

nypost.com

 

[85SugarVol]

Kristi Noem Appears To Wear $60K Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Watch During Visit To Infamous Hellhole El Salvador Prison​

Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem appears to have worn a gold Rolex watch worth nearly $60,000 during her visit to a notorious hellhole prison in El Salvador on Wednesday.

The flashy bling — which Noem spotted wearing as she filmed a video in front of a cell full of inmates at the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) — was identified as a gold Rolex Cosmograph Daytona in a viral post on X.

A new Cosmograph Daytona sells online for $59,500, according to online listings.

She was wearing the same watch in her meeting with Colombia’s foreign minister on Thursday.

Kristi Noem appears to wear $60K Rolex Cosmograph Daytona watch during visit to infamous hellhole El Salvador prison
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The watch appeared to be a Cosmograph Daytona Rolex, worth $60k new.

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Kristi Noem appeared to be wearing a $60k Rolex during her visit to an El Salvador prison.

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Kristi Noem wears $60K Rolex Cosmograph Daytona watch during visit to infamous hellhole El Salvador prison

Noem was spotted wearing the flashy bling as she filmed a video in front of a cell full of inmates at the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT).

nypost.com

Those guys could be anybody’s hair stylist.

 

[Orangeburst]

Surprised there hasnt been a Rogan obsession thread started.

 

[CagleMtnVol]