Mike Leach (Texas Tech)

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rmsmith said:
one year? who said it's only been one year? his only bad year has been in which they lost to
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td>at No. 20 TCU </td><td>L 12-3</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" valign="top"><td>No. 23 Missouri </td><td>L 38-21</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td>at Colorado </td><td>L 30-6</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td>No. 5 Texas </td><td>L 35-31</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" valign="top"><td>at No. 17 Oklahoma </td><td>L 34-24</td></tr></tr></tbody></table>
all respectable losses.. a f@#$@#in tough sched.
well except colorado..that'd be like us losing to Vandy(which is a high possibility this year)
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All I see are a string of 8 and 9 win seasons for 10 years with no championships. Sounds familiar?
 
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Yeah, do you mind repeating those bowls and how many wins a year he averages? How exactly would those bowls and win totals float here?
 
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utmba93 said:
Get out this thread and go read the Kiffin thread. You're wasting your time here and there's plenty you could learn there.
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k read the kiffin thread.. nothing there except i love him i hate him...
but wikipedia picked up this..

Fresno State
(quarterbacks coach)
Colorado State
(offensive line coach)
Southern California
(tight ends coach)
Southern California
(wide receivers coach)
Southern California
(offensive coordinator)
Oakland Raiders
(head coach)

zilch notta zero.. and there's nothing to say he recruited at USC. reputation does that alone.
 
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TennesseePride said:
Exactly! NO TO LEACH!

He's to goofy to run this program.. We need a stern, in your face, intimidating person!!

that's UT football and that who should represent it..

not some clown
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yeah, I'll take a red faced chest beater over a guy whose team executes with absolute precision

read up on Leach some more. His running back, Shannon Woods is tearing it up this season.
Leach benched Woods for half of last season because of a crappy attitude. This season, he's the ultimate team player.
He subjects his skilled position players to a conditioning program that makes Tennessee's look like Romper Room

Leach is terribly demanding of his players.
I assure you that this is the case. I've closely followed his program for years, go to their games and pay for Tech pay per view. Writers write about his pirate stuff and that's all well and good, but Leach is tough on his players and extremely demanding
 
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rmsmith said:
k read the kiffin thread.. nothing there except i love him i hate him...
but wikipedia picked up this..

Fresno State
(quarterbacks coach)
Colorado State
(offensive line coach)
Southern California
(tight ends coach)
Southern California
(wide receivers coach)
Southern California
(offensive coordinator)
Oakland Raiders
(head coach)

zilch notta zero.. and there's nothing to say he recruited at USC. reputation does that alone.
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Try this bio: Oakland Raiders - Lane Kiffin
 
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VolTx said:
he averages 2 more wins per year than Dykes
he's never had a losing season and taken his teams to bowls every year
he beats teams with more talent
he's shown continual track of program improvement at a forgotten about program
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He loses 4 games a year.
He's played in the same number of Big 12 title games as Baylor.
That "continual track of imrpovement" consists of a season that is still ongoing.
He loses to the Colorados and Oklahoma States of the world with alarming regularity.
 
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VolTx said:
yeah, I'll take a red faced chest beater over a guy whose team executes with absolute precision

read up on Leach some more. His running back, Shannon Woods is tearing it up this season.
Leach benched Woods for half of last season because of a crappy attitude. This season, he's the ultimate team player.
He subjects his skilled position players to a conditioning program that makes Tennessee's look like Romper Room

Leach is terribly demanding of his players.
I assure you that this is the case. I've closely followed his program for years, go to their games and pay for Tech pay per view. Writers write about his pirate stuff and that's all well and good, but Leach is tough on his players and extremely demanding
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sweet. Maybe he'll keep recruiting in the mid 50s, knocking out 8 or so wins per season, and HAVING A CHANCE TO WIN A CONFERENCE CROWN every nine seasons.

That's fantastic. I'm sure the Tech folks are proud.
 
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rmsmith said:
k read the kiffin thread.. nothing there except i love him i hate him...
but wikipedia picked up this..

Fresno State
(quarterbacks coach)
Colorado State
(offensive line coach)
Southern California
(tight ends coach)
Southern California
(wide receivers coach)
Southern California
(offensive coordinator)
Oakland Raiders
(head coach)

zilch notta zero.. and there's nothing to say he recruited at USC. reputation does that alone.
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Yeah, that "reputation" was just raking in the talent before Carroll arrived and brought Kiffin, Orgeron, et al on board.
 
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Same years in the Big 12 South...

Mike Leach
2001: 7-5
2002: 9-5
2003: 8-5
2004: 8-4

Les Miles
2001: 4-7
2002: 8-5
2003: 9-4
2004: 7-5

Essentially identical, except Miles had one building year. Leach had already been at Tech for a year and he inherited a better program. OSU was 3-8 in 2000, their third consecutive losing season.
 
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VolTx said:
yeah, I'll take a red faced chest beater over a guy whose team executes with absolute precision

read up on Leach some more. His running back, Shannon Woods is tearing it up this season.
Leach benched Woods for half of last season because of a crappy attitude. This season, he's the ultimate team player.
He subjects his skilled position players to a conditioning program that makes Tennessee's look like Romper Room

Leach is terribly demanding of his players.
I assure you that this is the case. I've closely followed his program for years, go to their games and pay for Tech pay per view. Writers write about his pirate stuff and that's all well and good, but Leach is tough on his players and extremely demanding
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He had his team up for Oklahoma State Saturday night, after beating the #1 ranked team in the country the week before. They never missed a beat. I'll respect any coach we get as long as he gets the job done, but for the life of me I can't figure out the hate some have for this guy. I promise you if he came here and won 10-11 games out of the chute, these same ones would be praising him.

Some like Leach, some like Kiffin, some like Davis. I'm personally not keen on Davis and his character after the Miami-Cleveland mess years ago, but that's just me. Kiffin hasn't proven anything and he seems more of a risk than any one out there just for that reason. Only Mike Hamilton and the powers that be know who the man is they want.

By the way, Peter King said today on ESPN Radio that he'd take Leach in the NFL in a heartbeat. FWIW
 
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rmsmith said:
zilch notta zero.. and there's nothing to say he recruited at USC.
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I like this sentence from the bio link I gave you.

"In Kiffin’s three years as recruiting coordinator at USC, the Trojans had the No. 1-ranked recruiting class in college football every year."

It's difficult to rank higher than #1, but some might argue the USC recruiting machine was #1 all-time. That about 40-something teams higher than your man Leach (see HV's post above on Leach's recruiting as that harder data to find).

Now, what's your favorite part about Kiffin's bio? Can you see why Oakland hired him instead of plucking Leach from his extraordinary turnaround success (your view, not mine) at TTech?
 
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hatvol96 said:
He loses 4 games a year.
He's played in the same number of Big 12 title games as Baylor.
That "continual track of imrpovement" consists of a season that is still ongoing.
He loses to the Colorados and Oklahoma States of the world with alarming regularity.
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well, we obviously disagree and we both obviously want what's best for the Vols

I'd just contend that expectations of Tech rising above the peaking programs of Texas and Oklahoma during a period where both teams have national titles and are perennial 10+ win programs may be unrealistic for any coach to have achieved at a program like a Texas Tech

Even still, Leach has them on the cusp of doing so and I think it's often wise to pluck a coach who appears to be overachieving at a lower tiered program

I'm not too sure that David, Gruden or Kiffen would have accomplished as much at Texas Tech in 9 seasons, but that, of course is just speculation

whoever UT ends up with, I just hope they demand execution and can develop talent because I believe we're all exhausted watching a program that achieves so little with ample highly touted recruits and loses games in such sloppy fashion
 
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#1,295
Not only was Kiffin the recruiting coordinator at USC, he was the head recruiter for guys like Bush, White, Leinart, Jarrett, Smith, etc. etc. etc. And most of big recruits that they landed whom he wasn't the head recruiter, he still played a big role in recruiting. Let's see, they were at their best recruiting when he was there and they were at their best offensively when he was the OC. But he brings nothing to the table.
 
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And I'm sure that players would just line up to play for a circus sideshow that throws up 50 points a game yet does nothing to prepare them for the NFL whereas they could play for a guy that, not only has put numerous, numerous players in the league, but has also been a head man at that level.
 
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utmba93 said:
I like this sentence from the bio link I gave you.

"In Kiffin’s three years as recruiting coordinator at USC, the Trojans had the No. 1-ranked recruiting class in college football every year. It's difficult to rank higher than #1, but some might argue the USC recruiting machine was #1 all-time. That about 40-something teams higher than your man Leach (see HV's post above on Leach's recruiting as that harder data to find)"
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like i said USC recruits itself. I dont think when recruits thought of USC they thought of Kiffin..

utmba93 said:
It's difficult to rank higher than #1, but some might argue the USC recruiting machine was #1 all-time. That about 40-something teams higher than your man Leach (see HV's post above on Leach's recruiting as that harder data to find).
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USC is still #1 without Kiffin.. so who's the recruiter?
utmba93 said:
Now, what's your favorite part about Kiffin's bio? Can you see why Oakland hired him instead of plucking Leach from his extraordinary turnaround success (your view, not mine) at TTech?
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Well i'd assume because he'd bring USC type of success to the Raiders. Obviously that wasn't the case. But if ya wanna bring a guy that has failed vs a guy that hasn't then it may be a little longer til we win a NC again.
 
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Newsflash. rmsmith accepts recruiting coordinator at USC. USC will continue #1 recruiting status for as long as Carroll stays HC
 
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