Mike Hamilton

#51
#51
KB5252 said:
I tend to agree to an extent, I will however point out that it was known Kiffin was somewhat of a loose cannon, he took a chance on him and got burned. The hire of CLK and his early departure got us where we sit today, if he fails to hire a quality coach and gets us a fall back option instead then I believe he could and probably should be fired.

We should also remember the handling of Fulmer and his contracts over the last few years as well. Rewarding mediocrity was a huge failure on Hamilton's part.
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very good points
 
#53
#53
Cartervol said:
We can go without one for awhile as long as the coach is in place. That's why Kippy makes sense. Any way you look at it Tennessee football is screwed for the short term.
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I think at this point, being screwed for the short term is being screwed for the long-term. We are teetering on the edge of non-relevance. And, as much as I love the Vols, as much as I appreciate our traditions, this IS possible with so many schools out there that are on the rise, that are raiding our back yard for talent and that are coached by excellent coaches. We cannot afford Mr. Good Enough right now, because if we go that route, Mr. Perfect may not come along for the foreseeable future.
 
#54
#54
Cartervol said:
We can go without one for awhile as long as the coach is in place. That's why Kippy makes sense. Any way you look at it Tennessee football is screwed for the short term.
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i think we are doomed for the long term. if he doesn't land a great coach. i already know it will be either calhoun or patterson, both will mean we are done for 10 years.
 
#55
#55
Hamilton's hiring of Kiffin does not speak well for his judgement of character. Since we have all seen what kind of self-serving narcisistic personality Kiffin has and displayed from the day he was introduced at Tennessee, it stands to reason that Hamilton either didn't recognize it or possibly worse, ignored it because he bought into Kiffin's ability to sell himself as able to turn around the program. But now look at the cost to our university, both in reputation and the fact that it will likely take years for the football program to recover.

And consider also that this choice was made with the luxury of having time to make it out of the spotlight. There was time to contact candidates, gauge interest, and make a hire without the entire college football world looking down your throat. Now, we are in a situation where everything he does is under intense scrutiny, and every day that passes puts us further in the hole as far as trying to salvage anything from this recruiting class.
If we fire him now, Kippy Brown is the coach for next year. We won't have a recruiting class at all, and the program would truly be set back 5-10 years. So I think we are stuck with him now, but I do think he should be fired as soon as it's feasable. I just hope someone else has some say so in who he presents as his choice.
 
#57
#57
ksushalovesthevols said:
I think at this point, being screwed for the short term is being screwed for the long-term. We are teetering on the edge of non-relevance. And, as much as I love the Vols, as much as I appreciate our traditions, this IS possible with so many schools out there that are on the rise, that are raiding our back yard for talent and that are coached by excellent coaches. We cannot afford Mr. Good Enough right now, because if we go that route, Mr. Perfect may not come along for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah well i hate to break the news to you but Tennessee hasn't really been relevant for a long time. It's just going to be delayed more now. It's a shame to that 100,000 people fill up that stadium on saturdays, pay their hard earned money and are treated to less than stellar football. You have to look at who's running the show to find the problem. Fire him now, find a competent AD and the road to recovery will start.
 
#58
#58
champyvol said:
i think we are doomed for the long term. if he doesn't land a great coach. i already know it will be either calhoun or patterson, both will mean we are done for 10 years.
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I don;t know much about Calhoun, but he wouldn't come here and run the wishbone. That's a signature offense for Air force. I agree that he isn't the guy we need. We need a miracle.
 
#59
#59
Ashevillevol said:
Hamilton's hiring of Kiffin does not speak well for his judgement of character. Since we have all seen what kind of self-serving narcisistic personality Kiffin has and displayed from the day he was introduced at Tennessee, it stands to reason that Hamilton either didn't recognize it or possibly worse, ignored it because he bought into Kiffin's ability to sell himself as able to turn around the program. But now look at the cost to our university, both in reputation and the fact that it will likely take years for the football program to recover.

And consider also that this choice was made with the luxury of having time to make it out of the spotlight. There was time to contact candidates, gauge interest, and make a hire without the entire college football world looking down your throat. Now, we are in a situation where everything he does is under intense scrutiny, and every day that passes puts us further in the hole as far as trying to salvage anything from this recruiting class.
If we fire him now, Kippy Brown is the coach for next year. We won't have a recruiting class at all, and the program would truly be set back 5-10 years. So I think we are stuck with him now, but I do think he should be fired as soon as it's feasable. I just hope someone else has some say so in who he presents as his choice.
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In the same breath making a rush hire won't help matters much. I hate to break the news to you, but these kids aren't going to perk up for someone like Muschamp. It's just epic fail on so many levels it isn't even funny.
 
#60
#60
Cartervol said:
Yeah well i hate to break the news to you but Tennessee hasn't really been relevant for a long time. It's just going to be delayed more now. It's a shame to that 100,000 people fill up that stadium on saturdays, pay their hard earned money and are treated to less than stellar football. You have to look at who's running the show to find the problem. Fire him now, find a competent AD and the road to recovery will start.
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i agree. except for the 100,000 part. i don't think we will have to worry about that next year. also a reflection on hamilton.
 
#61
#61
champyvol said:
i agree. except for the 100,000 part. i don't think we will have to worry about that next year. also a reflection on hamilton.
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Yeah you're right, raising ticket prices for less than stellar football isn't going over so well is it.
 
#62
#62
As Alumni of UT, MH has to go! Has to go now. This is not just the kiffy issue, but we have players with guns, arrest, drugs and the list goes on. He must go and someone who will lay the law down. People talk about fulmer as AD, but hell he could not control his teams either. We need an AD and someone who is TENNESSEE, not an outsider.
 
#64
#64
champyvol said:
yep attendence down last season and that was before we were a D-2 team. why should this guy not be fired again?
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I'm with you, ask the people who are infatuated with the Pearl hire. I'm football first and that's about it. It's great they found a good basketball coach, but it isn't a reason to keep this knob around any longer.
 
#65
#65
You can't hardly put this on Hamilton. There was no way he could have known 14 months ago what was about to happen at USC. Most people believed Pete would be at USC for at least 4-5 more years. I truly believe that was our last coaches' dream job. Hamilton thought he at least had that long. Whether most of us want to admit it now or not, he did have us headed in the right direction, especially in recruiting. Or not(violations?). But by most all accounts, the team, along with the Vol fanbase was again energized and things were looking up. I believe if he and the core of his staff had been here 4-5 years, we would have been back in the thick of things. As it stands, MH now has to make a very good hire to salvage what is left of our recruiting class and keep UT on the upswing or he will definitely be on the hotseat.
 
#66
#66
Cartervol said:
I'm with you, ask the people who are infatuated with the Pearl hire. I'm football first and that's about it. It's great they found a good basketball coach, but it isn't a reason to keep this knob around any longer.
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i agree. i love the pearl hire i think he is a great coach. hamilton just DESTROYED the football program on a gamble. the man should have never been granted another opportunity to make things worse. don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out mikey.
 
#67
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manfromtn said:
You can't hardly put this on Hamilton. There was no way he could have known 14 months ago what was about to happen at USC. Most people believed Pete would be at USC for at least 4-5 more years. I truly believe that was our last coaches' dream job. Hamilton thought he at least had that long. Whether most of us want to admit it now or not, he did have us headed in the right direction, especially in recruiting. Or not(violations?). But by most all accounts, the team, along with the Vol fanbase was again energized and things were looking up. I believe if he and the core of his staff had been here 4-5 years, we would have been back in the thick of things. As it stands, MH now has to make a very good hire to salvage what is left of our recruiting class and keep UT on the upswing or he will definitely be on the hotseat.
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ok so eventhough he murdered the football program to epic levels, you believe he should get a second chance. i have to disagree on that opinion. as AD his job is to hire the coaches, he did, he picked a horrible loser and now he should be shown the door in my opinion. when you lose your company millions at work what happens, you get fired. they don't give you another chance.
 
#68
#68
Hamilton gave Kiffin an 800k buyout, a coach who left after 1 year. But Fulmer, a coach who no one is apparently interested in hiring, had a buyout in the millions.
 
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#69
#69
champyvol said:
i agree. i love the pearl hire i think he is a great coach. hamilton just DESTROYED the football program on a gamble. the man should have never been granted another opportunity to make things worse. don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out mikey.
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Inadvertently or not , yeah he killed Tennessee football. Still some are going to tell you it isn't his fault. Just like that fat raise he gave Phil after screwing up another SEC championship game wasn't his fault. Adding a ridiculous buyout clause in the new contract wasn't his fault. Firing him less than a year later wasn't his fault. Giving Kiffin a 800K buyout wasn't Mikey's fault either. Nothing is Mikey's fault he's great and proven leader of men:crazy:
 
#70
#70
Cartervol said:
Inadvertently or not , yeah he killed Tennessee football. Still some are going to tell you it isn't his fault. Just like that fat raise he gave Phil after screwing up another SEC championship game wasn't his fault. Adding a ridiculous buyout clause in the new contract wasn't his fault. Firing him less than a year later wasn't his fault. Giving Kiffin a 800K buyout wasn't Mikey's fault either. Nothing is Mikey's fault he's great and proven leader of men:crazy:
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i think we should take a run at auburns AD. he made a pretty good hire.
 
#71
#71
M H failed miserably at his press conference yesterday. He show himself to be a weak and spineless leader by not publicly calling out the Kiffins and company for being the liars and cheats they are.
 
#72
#72
Two days ago most of you loved Kiffin and thought Hamilton did a great job by hiring him. Same with Crompton. Most of you hated him when he played bad and by the end of the season some of you were wishing we could have him for another year. Whatever???
 
#73
#73
champyvol said:
i think we should take a run at auburns AD. he made a pretty good hire.
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I 'm just mad at the current state that the football program is in. It shouldn't be here, Tennessee Football should never find itself in this position, but yet here we are again.
There needs to be some major changes on the hill and fast.
 
#74
#74
oldvol27 said:
Two days ago most of you loved Kiffin and thought Hamilton did a great job by hiring him. Same with Crompton. Most of you hated him when he played bad and by the end of the season some of you were wishing we could have him for another year. Whatever???
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i called it 5 days earlier. said i didn't think kiffin or hamilton would be with the university by the end of the 2011 season. i was flamed away.
 
#75
#75
Cartervol said:
I 'm just mad at the current state that the football program is in. It shouldn't be here, Tennessee Football should never find itself in this position, but yet here we are again.
There needs to be some major changes on the hill and fast.
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me too. i agree it starts at the top and hamilton has to go. all we can do is wait and laugh about the pawn he is going to put off as coach. regardless i don't think hamilton will survive long.
 
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