Mike DeBord it is .. Azzani to move on. (unconfirmed)

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omghulkhands said:
Hope the media asks Butch and Dave all the hard questions at the podium regarding this hire then. I mean, I don't expect them to answer them straight, just give a bunch of typical colloquialisms, but I hope they are asked.
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Anyone know which VN guru Freak has designated to attend the presser to grill Butch on this hire.
 
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armchair said:
I respect Fulmer--but the idea that he could /really/ be a help finding a great OC for a spread/read-option offense in 2015 is comical. All he could do is what Jones is doing--mention a couple of graybeards.
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Not sure what Gruden of PM could do either
 
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led0321 said:
75% of the people on this board don't even know who this guy is and 90% don't know anything about him.

99.9% don't know if he is a good coach or not. Yet Volnation melts down.
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There's this thing called Google that lets you learn about people who have had very public jobs. You can even look up stats and things. It really is quite amazing.
 
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SobeVol said:
It does sound like debord.
He is using the " load the boat " approach so if it doesn't appease the masses ( or worse it fails) then Peyton, Fulmer et all share some responsibility.
Butch "gets it" we love some of those names too much to condemn the call if they are involved.
He's a gambler!
Hope he's got some aces up his sleeve.
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When I hear "fit" I think of someone who has run a similar offense, and Debord has not.
 
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This is from another poster on TOS


Read this from another poster:

1- For the last five years this board has opined the lack of forethought that lead us to hire Derek Dooley instead of David Cutcliffe (as Wes has reported a few times, Cut turned us down because we wanted to micromanage his staff and because power players wanted a "sexier" hire, but we could have gotten him.) Instead, we got what we all wanted- a connection to the Saban tree. Then we got it again with Sal. You can add the Lane Train to the sexy hire pile. Also, Dave Clawson over better pro-style OCs because fans and boosters wanted a "west coast" offense and running QB like Florida

2. Debord is the David Cutcliffe of the Midwest. Maybe we should learn from our past. How much is he like Cut? He was the OC at Michigan from 97-99. He was undefeated and won a national championship in his first year and won two Big Ten titles during that run before he decided to parlay it into a head coaching job at CMU. (Sound familiar.) In 1997 he was the national assistant coach of the year.

3- The he comes back to Michigan (he was succeeded at CMU by Kelly and then Jones). He was on staff there but not the OC because Carr wouldn't shuffle the deck and move the OC who had replaced him. As a position coach he won another Big 10 title. Then in 06 he returns to the OC position and his first team makes it to the Rose Bowl. After Carr retires he looks just like David Cutcliffe after Phil to the Michigan faithful and so they go with the "sexy hire" instead, Rich Rod. You can find Michigan blogs that opine the fact that they hired Rich Rod instead of Debord.

4- QBs he groomed as an OC at Michigan- Tom Brady, Drew Henson, Brian Griese, and Chad Henne. All had great college careers. Every QB who started a game for him at Michigan played in the NFL. He also has a huge role in the career of Scott Lefler (now OC at V Tech). Scot Loefler was his QB coach at Michigan, then goes with him to CMU, then back to Michigan. When Debord (and Carr) leave Michigan he goes to Florida as QB coach for Meyer, then to the NFL when Urby "retires".

5- When Carr retires Debord goes to the pros. He works under Mike Holmgren (a legendary offensive coach) at Seattle, then Lovie Smith (a very good coach who has a successful track record) at Chicago. Mike Martz who was the OC for the Bears (who knows a thing or two about offense) and coaches on a team that goes to the NFC championship. He stays there until Smith gets canned in early 2013, but past the coaching hiring cycle. Overall he has coached tight ends or the o-line in 5 NFL seasons.

6- The only real problem anyone has with him is the fact that he took two seasons off- but did he really? Here are some other coaches who have taken seasons off- David Cutcliffe, Bill Snyder, Urban Meyer. He is 58, not 85. That means he is younger than Spurrier, Saban, Pinkel, and Les Miles. Roughly the same age as Miles and Richt. He isn't a dinosaur. Also, I'm not convinced he's just been hanging out at intramurals at UM. This job looks more like a way to add a football coach without counting him. Note that he was the interim in charge of the team after Hoke was dismissed (that doesn't sound like a guy who isn't involved in the program) and then he was involved in the hire of Harbaugh- that turned out OK.

All of this to say- I have no idea why we are all so upset about the possibility of adding a coach who won a Natty as an OC to this staff, has coached every position on the offensive side of the ball, and helped groom Tom Brady. What does the guy at TCU, who has never called plays in a college game or the guy who won a lot of games at freaking Marshall, got that that's better than them?

This is not a "we need a recruiter" hire. We have recruiters. We need someone who is a winner, who brings stability, and who knows offense. The fact that he has that national championship ring and all those NFL contacts doesn't hurt either. I have no idea if Butch will hire him, but if our opinions about the coaches we have wanted on the message boards over the years are any measure of success (Muschamp, Strong, Sal, to name a few), then by gosh we should be thrilled that this guy is not someone any of us want. He's just a boring dude who has won a TON of HUGE games as an OC at a program very comparable to ours including a national title.
 
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ALLVOL24/7/365 said:
I am definitely not a UM fan but is that the year that after that they then ran off 9 wins straight and lost in the Rose Bowl? I am probably wrong and did not Google so do not flame me for this.
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Close (sorta) after losing to Appy State they won 8 straight against unranked teams. Then they lost their last two regular season games and beat Florida in the Citrus bowl.
 
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My official prediction is Magee, and I have basically nothing to base that off of except pure speculation.
 
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tgardnervol4life said:
This is from another poster on TOS


Read this from another poster:

1- For the last five years this board has opined the lack of forethought that lead us to hire Derek Dooley instead of David Cutcliffe (as Wes has reported a few times, Cut turned us down because we wanted to micromanage his staff and because power players wanted a "sexier" hire, but we could have gotten him.) Instead, we got what we all wanted- a connection to the Saban tree. Then we got it again with Sal. You can add the Lane Train to the sexy hire pile. Also, Dave Clawson over better pro-style OCs because fans and boosters wanted a "west coast" offense and running QB like Florida

2. Debord is the David Cutcliffe of the Midwest. Maybe we should learn from our past. How much is he like Cut? He was the OC at Michigan from 97-99. He was undefeated and won a national championship in his first year and won two Big Ten titles during that run before he decided to parlay it into a head coaching job at CMU. (Sound familiar.) In 1997 he was the national assistant coach of the year.

3- The he comes back to Michigan (he was succeeded at CMU by Kelly and then Jones). He was on staff there but not the OC because Carr wouldn't shuffle the deck and move the OC who had replaced him. As a position coach he won another Big 10 title. Then in 06 he returns to the OC position and his first team makes it to the Rose Bowl. After Carr retires he looks just like David Cutcliffe after Phil to the Michigan faithful and so they go with the "sexy hire" instead, Rich Rod. You can find Michigan blogs that opine the fact that they hired Rich Rod instead of Debord.

4- QBs he groomed as an OC at Michigan- Tom Brady, Drew Henson, Brian Griese, and Chad Henne. All had great college careers. Every QB who started a game for him at Michigan played in the NFL. He also has a huge role in the career of Scott Lefler (now OC at V Tech). Scot Loefler was his QB coach at Michigan, then goes with him to CMU, then back to Michigan. When Debord (and Carr) leave Michigan he goes to Florida as QB coach for Meyer, then to the NFL when Urby "retires".

5- When Carr retires Debord goes to the pros. He works under Mike Holmgren (a legendary offensive coach) at Seattle, then Lovie Smith (a very good coach who has a successful track record) at Chicago. Mike Martz who was the OC for the Bears (who knows a thing or two about offense) and coaches on a team that goes to the NFC championship. He stays there until Smith gets canned in early 2013, but past the coaching hiring cycle. Overall he has coached tight ends or the o-line in 5 NFL seasons.

6- The only real problem anyone has with him is the fact that he took two seasons off- but did he really? Here are some other coaches who have taken seasons off- David Cutcliffe, Bill Snyder, Urban Meyer. He is 58, not 85. That means he is younger than Spurrier, Saban, Pinkel, and Les Miles. Roughly the same age as Miles and Richt. He isn't a dinosaur. Also, I'm not convinced he's just been hanging out at intramurals at UM. This job looks more like a way to add a football coach without counting him. Note that he was the interim in charge of the team after Hoke was dismissed (that doesn't sound like a guy who isn't involved in the program) and then he was involved in the hire of Harbaugh- that turned out OK.

All of this to say- I have no idea why we are all so upset about the possibility of adding a coach who won a Natty as an OC to this staff, has coached every position on the offensive side of the ball, and helped groom Tom Brady. What does the guy at TCU, who has never called plays in a college game or the guy who won a lot of games at freaking Marshall, got that that's better than them?

This is not a "we need a recruiter" hire. We have recruiters. We need someone who is a winner, who brings stability, and who knows offense. The fact that he has that national championship ring and all those NFL contacts doesn't hurt either. I have no idea if Butch will hire him, but if our opinions about the coaches we have wanted on the message boards over the years are any measure of success (Muschamp, Strong, Sal, to name a few), then by gosh we should be thrilled that this guy is not someone any of us want. He's just a boring dude who has won a TON of HUGE games as an OC at a program very comparable to ours including a national title.
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No one wanted butch or jenzak on here either
 
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Reading the meltdown of this board is actually quite hilarious! I have never seen such insanity from so many. I guess we should all just boycott the entire sports program.
 
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The more I read about DeBord the more I'm okay with the hire. Right now I'm just gonna trust Butch and his ideas for our team. I would love to see us add a couple under center formations for short yardage or just to pound the rock. Also a Co/ OC between DeBord and Azzani sounds alright to me.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Close (sorta) after losing to Appy State they won 8 straight against unranked teams. Then they lost their last two regular season games and beat Florida in the Citrus bowl.
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Can't spell Citrus without UT, therefore illuminati confirmed....I mean Mike DeBord confirmed.
 
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tgardnervol4life said:
This is from another poster on TOS


Read this from another poster:

1- For the last five years this board has opined the lack of forethought that lead us to hire Derek Dooley instead of David Cutcliffe (as Wes has reported a few times, Cut turned us down because we wanted to micromanage his staff and because power players wanted a "sexier" hire, but we could have gotten him.) Instead, we got what we all wanted- a connection to the Saban tree. Then we got it again with Sal. You can add the Lane Train to the sexy hire pile. Also, Dave Clawson over better pro-style OCs because fans and boosters wanted a "west coast" offense and running QB like Florida

2. Debord is the David Cutcliffe of the Midwest. Maybe we should learn from our past. How much is he like Cut? He was the OC at Michigan from 97-99. He was undefeated and won a national championship in his first year and won two Big Ten titles during that run before he decided to parlay it into a head coaching job at CMU. (Sound familiar.) In 1997 he was the national assistant coach of the year.

3- The he comes back to Michigan (he was succeeded at CMU by Kelly and then Jones). He was on staff there but not the OC because Carr wouldn't shuffle the deck and move the OC who had replaced him. As a position coach he won another Big 10 title. Then in 06 he returns to the OC position and his first team makes it to the Rose Bowl. After Carr retires he looks just like David Cutcliffe after Phil to the Michigan faithful and so they go with the "sexy hire" instead, Rich Rod. You can find Michigan blogs that opine the fact that they hired Rich Rod instead of Debord.

4- QBs he groomed as an OC at Michigan- Tom Brady, Drew Henson, Brian Griese, and Chad Henne. All had great college careers. Every QB who started a game for him at Michigan played in the NFL. He also has a huge role in the career of Scott Lefler (now OC at V Tech). Scot Loefler was his QB coach at Michigan, then goes with him to CMU, then back to Michigan. When Debord (and Carr) leave Michigan he goes to Florida as QB coach for Meyer, then to the NFL when Urby "retires".

5- When Carr retires Debord goes to the pros. He works under Mike Holmgren (a legendary offensive coach) at Seattle, then Lovie Smith (a very good coach who has a successful track record) at Chicago. Mike Martz who was the OC for the Bears (who knows a thing or two about offense) and coaches on a team that goes to the NFC championship. He stays there until Smith gets canned in early 2013, but past the coaching hiring cycle. Overall he has coached tight ends or the o-line in 5 NFL seasons.

6- The only real problem anyone has with him is the fact that he took two seasons off- but did he really? Here are some other coaches who have taken seasons off- David Cutcliffe, Bill Snyder, Urban Meyer. He is 58, not 85. That means he is younger than Spurrier, Saban, Pinkel, and Les Miles. Roughly the same age as Miles and Richt. He isn't a dinosaur. Also, I'm not convinced he's just been hanging out at intramurals at UM. This job looks more like a way to add a football coach without counting him. Note that he was the interim in charge of the team after Hoke was dismissed (that doesn't sound like a guy who isn't involved in the program) and then he was involved in the hire of Harbaugh- that turned out OK.

All of this to say- I have no idea why we are all so upset about the possibility of adding a coach who won a Natty as an OC to this staff, has coached every position on the offensive side of the ball, and helped groom Tom Brady. What does the guy at TCU, who has never called plays in a college game or the guy who won a lot of games at freaking Marshall, got that that's better than them?

This is not a "we need a recruiter" hire. We have recruiters. We need someone who is a winner, who brings stability, and who knows offense. The fact that he has that national championship ring and all those NFL contacts doesn't hurt either. I have no idea if Butch will hire him, but if our opinions about the coaches we have wanted on the message boards over the years are any measure of success (Muschamp, Strong, Sal, to name a few), then by gosh we should be thrilled that this guy is not someone any of us want. He's just a boring dude who has won a TON of HUGE games as an OC at a program very comparable to ours including a national title.
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This is not an arguement about the hire, but you are overcrediting him as the "developer" of the QBs you named. They had a QB coach that worked with them on fundamentals. They had a QB coach that studied their mechanics and made tweaks when necessary. They had a QB coach that taught them reads and progressions. DeBord is an OL guy, not a QB guy.
 
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tgardnervol4life said:
This is from another poster on TOS


Read this from another poster:

1- For the last five years this board has opined the lack of forethought that lead us to hire Derek Dooley instead of David Cutcliffe (as Wes has reported a few times, Cut turned us down because we wanted to micromanage his staff and because power players wanted a "sexier" hire, but we could have gotten him.) Instead, we got what we all wanted- a connection to the Saban tree. Then we got it again with Sal. You can add the Lane Train to the sexy hire pile. Also, Dave Clawson over better pro-style OCs because fans and boosters wanted a "west coast" offense and running QB like Florida

2. Debord is the David Cutcliffe of the Midwest. Maybe we should learn from our past. How much is he like Cut? He was the OC at Michigan from 97-99. He was undefeated and won a national championship in his first year and won two Big Ten titles during that run before he decided to parlay it into a head coaching job at CMU. (Sound familiar.) In 1997 he was the national assistant coach of the year.

3- The he comes back to Michigan (he was succeeded at CMU by Kelly and then Jones). He was on staff there but not the OC because Carr wouldn't shuffle the deck and move the OC who had replaced him. As a position coach he won another Big 10 title. Then in 06 he returns to the OC position and his first team makes it to the Rose Bowl. After Carr retires he looks just like David Cutcliffe after Phil to the Michigan faithful and so they go with the "sexy hire" instead, Rich Rod. You can find Michigan blogs that opine the fact that they hired Rich Rod instead of Debord.

4- QBs he groomed as an OC at Michigan- Tom Brady, Drew Henson, Brian Griese, and Chad Henne. All had great college careers. Every QB who started a game for him at Michigan played in the NFL. He also has a huge role in the career of Scott Lefler (now OC at V Tech). Scot Loefler was his QB coach at Michigan, then goes with him to CMU, then back to Michigan. When Debord (and Carr) leave Michigan he goes to Florida as QB coach for Meyer, then to the NFL when Urby "retires".

5- When Carr retires Debord goes to the pros. He works under Mike Holmgren (a legendary offensive coach) at Seattle, then Lovie Smith (a very good coach who has a successful track record) at Chicago. Mike Martz who was the OC for the Bears (who knows a thing or two about offense) and coaches on a team that goes to the NFC championship. He stays there until Smith gets canned in early 2013, but past the coaching hiring cycle. Overall he has coached tight ends or the o-line in 5 NFL seasons.

6- The only real problem anyone has with him is the fact that he took two seasons off- but did he really? Here are some other coaches who have taken seasons off- David Cutcliffe, Bill Snyder, Urban Meyer. He is 58, not 85. That means he is younger than Spurrier, Saban, Pinkel, and Les Miles. Roughly the same age as Miles and Richt. He isn't a dinosaur. Also, I'm not convinced he's just been hanging out at intramurals at UM. This job looks more like a way to add a football coach without counting him. Note that he was the interim in charge of the team after Hoke was dismissed (that doesn't sound like a guy who isn't involved in the program) and then he was involved in the hire of Harbaugh- that turned out OK.

All of this to say- I have no idea why we are all so upset about the possibility of adding a coach who won a Natty as an OC to this staff, has coached every position on the offensive side of the ball, and helped groom Tom Brady. What does the guy at TCU, who has never called plays in a college game or the guy who won a lot of games at freaking Marshall, got that that's better than them?

This is not a "we need a recruiter" hire. We have recruiters. We need someone who is a winner, who brings stability, and who knows offense. The fact that he has that national championship ring and all those NFL contacts doesn't hurt either. I have no idea if Butch will hire him, but if our opinions about the coaches we have wanted on the message boards over the years are any measure of success (Muschamp, Strong, Sal, to name a few), then by gosh we should be thrilled that this guy is not someone any of us want. He's just a boring dude who has won a TON of HUGE games as an OC at a program very comparable to ours including a national title.
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How is that possible when DeBord has never coached QB's? Cutcliffe of the midwest? NO. When DeBord was the OC he was either OC/OL or OC/TE coach. Stan Parrish and Scott Loeffler were his QB coaches first and second time around. DeBord wasn't up there grooming qb's. All I know is Michigan fans hate DeBord and Tennessee fans think Cutcliffe hung the moon. It's just a horrible comparison.

Like I've said before if it's DeBord there will be more changes. We will be without a QB coach and with 3 news QB's we will have to have one.

btw, more people on VolNation wanted Gary Patterson or Kevin Sumlin than Strong or Muschamp so we're not all dummies.You just chose to highlight the bad coaches. Although I don't think Strong would have been a bad hire.
 
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