Migration Nightmares Hitting Europe

[EasternVol]

You really want to debate the marriage of the child molester prophet Muhammaf to 6 year old Aisha, and the account of him waiting until she was 9 years old to rape her? Or are you just picking out semantics pertaining to the detail that the account of this actually takes place in the additonal religious texts/books (hadiths in arabic) and that the ages arent actually in the Quran itself???

Thats really what you are trying to argue about? Not that the garbage human raped a 9 year old girl and islam idolizes him...#1 baby name in muslim nations is Muhammad...but the semantics regarding which text Aishas details are in??

HAHAHAHAHA.

You often mention how much you know about the subject and how you've read the Koran and understand it well. Now's a chance to show it. Where in the Koran is that, chapter and verse?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

You often mention how much you know about the subject and how you've read the Koran and understand it well. Now's a chance to show it. Where in the Koran is that, chapter and verse?

I answered this question in the post you quoted directly above this. Its semantics.

Don't wanna defend the child rapist?

Or the people getting run over by trucks, stabbed, all manners of terror attacks by muslims...or all the rapes across Western Europe. You want to argue semantics about in WHICH accepted and used relgious text the account of the Aisha actually takes place. That its in an additional hadith ( used in islam and not disputed by mainstream muslims) rather than in the Quran itself. I already answered that. No I dont pretend to be an expert on Islam though, I certainly am not. What I have posted here is truth though rather than that tiny detail where I originally misspoke.

Have a good day bud.

 

[EasternVol]

I answered this question in the post you quoted directly above this. Its semantics.

Don't wanna defend the child rapist?

Or the people getting run over by trucks, stabbed, all manners of terror attacks by muslims...or all the rapes across Western Europe. You want to argue semantics about in WHICH accepted and used relgious text the account of the Aisha actually takes place. That its in an additional hadith ( used in islam and not disputed by mainstream muslims) rather than in the Quran itself. I already answered that. No I dont pretend to be an expert on Islam though, I certainly am not. What I have posted here is truth though rather than that tiny detail where I originally misspoke.

Have a good day bud.

You did say that marriage to a kid was in the Koran. You made a big point of it even. Now you say her age isn't mentioned in the Koran but is mentioned in hadiths. Ok, you misremembered earlier. What chapter and verse of the Koran mentions the marriage? Surely you can answer that, given how many times you've told us you know the book.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

You did say that marriage to a kid was in the Koran. You made a big point of it even. Now you say her age isn't mentioned in the Koran but is mentioned in hadiths. Ok, you misremembered earlier. What chapter and verse of the Koran mentions the marriage? Surely you can answer that, given how many times you've told us you know the book.

I already answered this question. Not once but twice. If you are incapable of understanding this...thats a YOU problem.
Find something better to do than asking the same dumb question repeatedly trying to troll me.

Obviously you havent even attempted to answer MY questions regarding the rape itself and its immorality.

Or the constant terror attacks by muslims all over the world including here in New Orleans, Boston, NYC etc as well as all over Europe. Constantly.

Want to discuss the slaughter of innocent Christian families by muslims recently and ongoing across Africa and parts of the Middle East?

You don't want to talk about ANY OF the important things that actually matter...just to repeat the same dumb semantics question. I get it. Literally every heinous act by muslims is an indefensible position. You can't defend those horrible things. You don't have a plausible argument to make for all the evil acts which are ONGOING all over the world.

You can piss off with the semantics though. Take that back to the Israel thread with your Jew hating buddies and let Slice defeat your compromised positions. I have no desire to argue with strangers online. I havebetter things to do.

 

[EasternVol]

I already answered this question. Not once but twice. If you are incapable of understanding this...thats a YOU problem.
Find something better to do than asking the same dumb question repeatedly trying to troll me.

Obviously you havent even attempted to answer MY questions regarding the rape itself and its immorality.

Or the constant terror attacks by muslims all over the world including here in New Orleans, Boston, NYC etc as well as all over Europe. Constantly.

Want to discuss the slaughter of innocent Christian families by muslims recently and ongoing across Africa and parts of the Middle East?

You don't want to talk about ANY OF the important things that actually matter...just to repeat the same dumb semantics question. I get it. Literally every heinous act by muslims is an indefensible position. You can't defend those horrible things. You don't have a plausible argument to make for all the evil acts which are ONGOING all over the world.

You can piss off with the semantics though. Take that back to the Israel thread with your Jew hating buddies and let Slice defeat your compromised positions. I have no desire to argue with strangers online. I havebetter things to do.

You spew a lot of very ignorant bigoted hateful garbage. When someone shows where you're wrong, you double down, repeatedly. Any trolling you get is well deserved.
Your answer implied that the marriage was mentioned in the Koran but her age wasn't. Now you say nothing at all about it is mentioned, got it. So it's very clear that all your words about reading the book and knowing what it says and means was just you talking out your arse.
I've posted elsewhere that comparison of historical events with her birth and milestones in her life shows that she was most likely in her late teens when she married. And all his other wives were married before marrying him. Considering that and apart from what other faults he may have had, I don't think he was a child rapist.
I don't try to defend horrible things. If you pay attention you'll notice that I condemn them. That's in contrast to several on here, including you, who celebrate horrible things because your team does them, or deny they happen when it's clear they do.
There isn't any Jew hating from regular posters in the other thread, sorry. We're still waiting for the first time that Slice defeats those positions.
Why don't you educate yourself through credible unbiased sources?

 

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[W.TN.Orange Blood]

These folks are still living in the dinosaur age. Working your way to heaven want work.

 

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[marcusluvsvols]

You spew a lot of very ignorant bigoted hateful garbage. When someone shows where you're wrong, you double down, repeatedly. Any trolling you get is well deserved.
Your answer implied that the marriage was mentioned in the Koran but her age wasn't. Now you say nothing at all about it is mentioned, got it. So it's very clear that all your words about reading the book and knowing what it says and means was just you talking out your arse.
I've posted elsewhere that comparison of historical events with her birth and milestones in her life shows that she was most likely in her late teens when she married. And all his other wives were married before marrying him. Considering that and apart from what other faults he may have had, I don't think he was a child rapist.
I don't try to defend horrible things. If you pay attention you'll notice that I condemn them. That's in contrast to several on here, including you, who celebrate horrible things because your team does them, or deny they happen when it's clear they do.
There isn't any Jew hating from regular posters in the other thread, sorry. We're still waiting for the first time that Slice defeats those positions.
Why don't you educate yourself through credible unbiased sources?

This took 10 seconds. 10 seconds to disprove your assertion.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

To disprove your other lie... that I am or have ever claimed to be an expert on islam let me elaborate. This will be the last time I address your nonsense. I don't know you...I don't owe you ANY argument nor anything else...and I have better things to do than argue with muslims whether I know them or not.

I dont hate muslims. They are normal people. I hate radical muslims though who support terrorism. Thats a sin for me by the way. My God...the REAL one of Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible...commands Christians to "love thy neighbor" and thats usually pretty easy. He also commands Christians to " love your enemy" as well. That one is really hard. I fail at that. I have no enemies in my personal life. Literally none. I dont even strongly dislike anyone. From work, family or otherwise. I am a pretty laid back and easygoing guy in real life. I hate radical muslims though. I do. I hate the terrible acts they commit and the fear they put in normal people all over the world just trying to go out to public places. They have to worry now. To live in FEAR at least when out in crowded public places...both in America, Europe, the ME and in Africa. JUST because muslims come and kill them while they go about their normal lives the way the garbage Quran commands them to.

I dont have to quote you verse by verse. "Sura by Sura"...you know those words are in the Quran. Commands to LIE TO and to KILL the "infidels" which radical muslims...AND regular muslims... interpret to be innocent Christians and others just going about their everyday lives. They are ALL "infidels" based on the Quran because they are NOT muslims. Normal muslims just CHOOSE NOT to obey those words like the radicals do. They stab them, run them over with cars, blow them up, fly airplanes into our buildings and kill THOUSANDS of innocent Americans at a time. I dont have to accept that. Thats bullcrap, and Islam and the Quran are responsible for that. Period. I hate them for it, and my God...the real one...will both judge AND punish me for my hate for them. He is a God of Love, Grace, and Forgiveness. We don't have those commands to hate and kill others who don't believe what we believe in our Holy Book. For this reason I will be punished for my sin. I am not a great Christian either to be honest. I sin against God every single day of my life. We all do, whether we admit it or not.

As far as the rest of your insults about me ...those don't bother me. You don't even know me. Have never laid eyes on me or even spoken my name. Your opinion of me doesn't bother or upset me. Its based on the extremely limited knowledge of a complete stranger. I don't know you either. I have no opinions about you other than that you hate Jews. That's between you and whomever YOU pray to. Which is 100% absolutely NOT the God of the Bible. Of Isaac and Jacob. I will let you two figure that part out. Its of no consequence to me either way because I don't believe you to be a radical terrorist who stands a chance of causing actual harm to my family. So I wish you the best. In all things. Especially as a fellow VOL fan. I will continue to post facts about islam whenever I feel like it though. Just like everyone else here. Arguing with you about it is not part of that though. This is the last time I will discuss this with you. My time is a valuable asset, which I choose to share with people I care about. You are not one of those people.

 

[EasternVol]

This took 10 seconds. 10 seconds to disprove your assertion.

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What is that supposed to disprove? It doesn't contradict anything I wrote. In case you want to review, this is what you're trying to refute:
I've posted elsewhere that comparison of historical events with her birth and milestones in her life shows that she was most likely in her late teens when she married.
I also mentioned that all his other wives were married before he married them (which I don't suppose would be in line with pedo behavior) so I don't think he's a child rapist.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[EasternVol]

So you can't refute it, ok.

 

[EasternVol]

To disprove your other lie... that I am or have ever claimed to be an expert on islam let me elaborate. This will be the last time I address your nonsense. I don't know you...I don't owe you ANY argument nor anything else...and I have better things to do than argue with muslims whether I know them or not.

You haven't used the word expert but you've repeatedly said you've read the texts and know the scripture. And you use that to back up some rhetoric or a repost off of some hate site which isn't close to true, and when someone (me at least once) tells you that they know bright people who have studied the scripture for years and hold the opposite viewpoint from you, you come back with something like 'I know what I read'. That's hubris at a high level (maybe I do the same), and you've just shown that you in fact don't know what you've read.
You don't owe me and I don't owe you, true. This is a message board and we're free to voice our viewpoints and provide information to support them.

I dont hate muslims. They are normal people. I hate radical muslims though who support terrorism. Thats a sin for me by the way. My God...the REAL one of Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible...commands Christians to "love thy neighbor" and thats usually pretty easy. He also commands Christians to " love your enemy" as well. That one is really hard. I fail at that. I have no enemies in my personal life. Literally none. I dont even strongly dislike anyone. From work, family or otherwise. I am a pretty laid back and easygoing guy in real life. I hate radical muslims though. I do. I hate the terrible acts they commit and the fear they put in normal people all over the world just trying to go out to public places.

That's commendable and reasonable. There are people who have done terrible things in the name of Islam and they should be condemned, as should anyone who commits such acts.

They have to worry now. To live in FEAR at least when out in crowded public places...both in America, Europe, the ME and in Africa.

There's not much reason to fear attacks in America or Europe. The risk varies a lot in the ME and Africa as those regions have some unstable areas.

JUST because muslims come and kill them while they go about their normal lives the way the garbage Quran commands them to.

There's where you jump the rails. As I understand, there's nothing in the text, taken in context, that supports that. You should educate yourself somewhere other than Brigette Gabriel's X account. You do want to know the truth, right?

I dont have to quote you verse by verse. "Sura by Sura"...you know those words are in the Quran. Commands to LIE TO and to KILL the "infidels" which radical muslims...AND regular muslims... interpret to be innocent Christians and others just going about their everyday lives. They are ALL "infidels" based on the Quran because they are NOT muslims. Normal muslims just CHOOSE NOT to obey those words like the radicals do. They stab them, run them over with cars, blow them up, fly airplanes into our buildings and kill THOUSANDS of innocent Americans at a time. I dont have to accept that. Thats bullcrap, and Islam and the Quran are responsible for that. Period.

No, I don't know those words are in the Koran. What I understand is that they're not there and that if you want to come to that conclusion you really have to twist words to do so. As I mentioned, I know smart, educated, capable, honest people, very sincere in their belief, who have studied the texts for decades who have the absolute opposite view to yours. I'll take their word over wherever you get your information. Looking at it another way, if the scriptures do say what you say they do, there wouldn't be any Christians in the Islamic areas from West Africa to Indonesia, yet there are many millions.
There are a lot of professional crap stirrers out there, taking advantage of people's ignorance for clicks and dollars. They're a lot like Charles Coughlin and his ilk in the 1930's. If you're not familiar with him, you should really see who he was. It's obvious why we don't want to follow people like him.

I hate them for it, and my God...the real one...will both judge AND punish me for my hate for them. He is a God of Love, Grace, and Forgiveness. We don't have those commands to hate and kill others who don't believe what we believe in our Holy Book. For this reason I will be punished for my sin. I am not a great Christian either to be honest. I sin against God every single day of my life. We all do, whether we admit it or not.

edit - I don't think Muslims do either. If you can find something to the contrary, taken in context, let us know. What are your thoughts on the Old Testament by the way?

As far as the rest of your insults about me ...those don't bother me. You don't even know me. Have never laid eyes on me or even spoken my name. Your opinion of me doesn't bother or upset me. Its based on the extremely limited knowledge of a complete stranger. I don't know you either. I have no opinions about you other than that you hate Jews.

Then your opinion is very wrong. I don't hate or even dislike anyone based on their creed, origin or appearance. I learned a long, but I wish longer, time ago that such prejudices are unfair, counterproductive and just wrong. Where I grew up a lot of people espoused racial superiority, as did a lot of people I knew at UT. I'm glad I saw that those espousing that superiority were the inferior ones.

That's between you and whomever YOU pray to. Which is 100% absolutely NOT the God of the Bible. Of Isaac and Jacob.

Wrong again, sorry. You have no clue as to my religious inclinations.

I will let you two figure that part out. Its of no consequence to me either way because I don't believe you to be a radical terrorist who stands a chance of causing actual harm to my family. So I wish you the best. In all things. Especially as a fellow VOL fan. I will continue to post facts about islam whenever I feel like it though. Just like everyone else here. Arguing with you about it is not part of that though. This is the last time I will discuss this with you. My time is a valuable asset, which I choose to share with people I care about. You are not one of those people.

You and I and everyone else are or should be free to believe as they feel guided and think to be correct. Having hate or love or like or dislike of a creed is normal but we'd be misguided to base our opinion on false (or X pundit level extremely false) information. You know what they say, the truth will set you free.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

So you truly are incapable of understanding. Not surprised. Probably due to this:


Edited for those who apparently have trouble discerning basic sources such as Google. This above (obviously) is the Wikipedia response for "Cousin marriage in the middle east" and took 10 seconds to find again. Feel free to go check it out yourself and note that the statistics are noted for their scientific sources. The provenance is both credible and obvious to able minded people who can read at about middle school level proficiency.

 

[norrislakevol]

So you truly are incapable of understanding. Not surprised. Probably due to this:
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The Muslim world in general has not been responsible for any great medical or scientific breakthroughs in a great many years. Heavy interbreeding has likely lowered IQ's as a whole across the entire region.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

The Muslim world in general has not been responsible for any great medical or scientific breakthroughs in a great many years. Heavy interbreeding has likely lowered IQ's as a whole across the entire region.

True facts.

Their birth defect rates are 1000x what they are in the US for some of the most serious diseases/disorders/deformity due to this inbreeding with 1st cousins. They are in the hundreds of times ours for many, many others and higher than those in the West for pretty much every defect.

You cant reproduce with your aunts and uncles kids. Much less continually do that for over at least 2000 years straight including up to today. You saw the stats in that...58% of Saudi kids are inbred.

There are also slave auctions in countries like Egypt today. This day. Just backward, ignorant people with a backwards religion. Islam is a tool of Satan designed to keep people from salvation through Christ Jesus. Billions of muslims will burn in Hell, which their allah (Lucifer) loves. It is very sad. Not only that...due to their book, the Quran, muslim terrorists following THEIR god's (satans) commands will murder innocent Christians and non-believers alike ( "infidels") and try to destroy Christianity AND Judaism everywhere they can. Satan loves that...because he hates and fears both God Almighty and Christ Jesus. Islam is one of the most prolific tools which Satan has ever devised. There are estimated to be about 2 billion muslims on Earth just right now. Imagine how many will spend eternity with THEIR god Satan which they pray to 5 times a day diligently. Its no wonder that Muhammad raped a 9yo girl that he made to marry him at 6yo...he was the prophet of satan and his "right hand man".

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have my doubts Europe can be salvaged on many fronts.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

This is a simple Google response.

Note the portions which say " key islamic religious texts considered 2nd ONLY to the Quran in AUTHORITY to MOST muslims".

Note that both books...2 different very important religious texts to muslims...are described quoting directly again as " one of the most authentic texts in sunni islam" and the other as "highly regarded for its authenticity". Those are not MY words or MY opinion. Those are Googles assertions of facts as the beliefs of billions of muslims. Our apparently addled- minded muslim acquaintance here seems unable to grasp the fact that his personal, subjective opinion about the subject has absolutely NO correlation nor causation with the reality of these facts. Nor does he speak for all muslims, just himself...and as a rational logical adult I could not possibly care less what he thinks about the subject in order to try and make himself feel better about worshipping and naming your kids after a man who raped a 9yo girl.

 

[norrislakevol]

True facts.

Their birth defect rates are 1000x what they are in the US for some of the most serious diseases/disorders/deformity due to this inbreeding with 1st cousins. They are in the hundreds of times ours for many, many others and higher than those in the West for pretty much every defect.

You cant reproduce with your aunts and uncles kids. Much less continually do that for over at least 2000 years straight including up to today. You saw the stats in that...58% of Saudi kids are inbred.

There are also slave auctions in countries like Egypt today. This day. Just backward, ignorant people with a backwards religion. Islam is a tool of Satan designed to keep people from salvation through Christ Jesus. Billions of muslims will burn in Hell, which their allah (Lucifer) loves. It is very sad. Not only that...due to their book, the Quran, muslim terrorists following THEIR god's (satans) commands will murder innocent Christians and non-believers alike ( "infidels") and try to destroy Christianity AND Judaism everywhere they can. Satan loves that...because he hates and fears both God Almighty and Christ Jesus. Islam is one of the most prolific tools which Satan has ever devised. There are estimated to be about 2 billion muslims on Earth just right now. Imagine how many will spend eternity with THEIR god Satan which they pray to 5 times a day diligently. Its no wonder that Muhammad raped a 9yo girl that he made to marry him at 6yo...he was the prophet of satan and his "right hand man".

I saw some stats somewhere on the birth defects in England. The rate hadn't gone any higher with the non Muslim population, but the birth defect rate for Muslims was off the charts. Hmmmm....wonder why???

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Too late.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Too late.

I truly wish them good luck with their problem. Hopefully...HOPEFULLY...watching England, France, Germany etc fight the coming pitched battle for their nation against muslims THEY allowed to be forced on them by Liberal/Socialist/Globalist leaders in their own nations and the EU is ENOUGH to wake up the ignorant Liberals here in the US who want the exact same immigration policy to destroy OUR NATION.

Hopefully. I am not optimistic. The over 3000 Americans in NYC, the dozens injured or killed in Boston, the innocent Americans murdered in NO were clearly NOT enough to make them even blink. Maybe just maybe watching the Western Europe that was the peak civilization on Earth for over 1000 years become a craphole before their very eyes WILL be enough to wake at least some of them.

Never hang your hopes or confidence on a Leftist coming to a simple and logical conclusion though. These are the exact same people that look eachother and us straight in the face and say that "women can have penises" and "men can give birth". The same Leftists who could not define what a woman actually is. Saying it "could be many things ".

No. No it cannot.

A woman is the simplest thing on Earth to define. Kindergarten kids can do it easily if their parents aren't mentally ill. It takes exactly 3 words:

Human. Adult. Female.

OR only 2 letters for adults:

XX.

These are the people whose ideology has destroyed Europe, and parts of the US. Its a cancer that will certainly kill the host if not removed.

 

[EasternVol]

So you truly are incapable of understanding. Not surprised. Probably due to this:
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Edited for those who apparently have trouble discerning basic sources such as Google. This above (obviously) is the Wikipedia response for "Cousin marriage in the middle east" and took 10 seconds to find again. Feel free to go check it out yourself and note that the statistics are noted for their scientific sources. The provenance is both credible and obvious to able minded people who can read at about middle school level proficiency.

Well there's a thoughtful reply. It's not a sign of any type of scholar but you might not get that. I guess you realize it reinforces what I wrote about you ignoring anything which contradicts your preconceived notions.
So, as far as understanding goes:
1- You said that Mohamed raped and married Aisha before she was ten and that the source for that is the 'Koran itself'.
2- I asked where in the Koran that is.
3- You finally said it's in a hadith, not the Koran, and that the marriage isn't mentioned in the Koran.
4- I said "comparison of historical events with her birth and milestones in her life shows that she was most likely in her late teens when she married."
5- You replied with a summary of the hadith referenced in 3 above and and said that that refutes my point in 4 above. See, the hadith doesn't address the mentioned comparison of events at all. In no way does it refute the comparison, unless you believe the hadith to be infallible truth, in which case you're deep undercover here.
The one with a problem understanding isn't me.
You doubled down on looking foolish with that link to cousin marriage in the Middle East and implying it applies to me. I'm about as WASP hillbilly as they come.
As long as you unquestioningly regurgitate bogus talking points from your echo chamber you'll remain intentionally ignorant and hateful. If you educate yourself through credible sources you won't. It's of course completely up to you.