Might be time to adjust...

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... that "take your trips and be sure" philosophy.

I am all for it up through say... 3 weeks before NSD. IMHO, UT should clamp down on it within the last 3 weeks. Perhaps even establish a policy of pulling offers if they do it.

The dirtiest recruiting is always going to occur at crunch time. If a kid is going elsewhere then that decision should not be based on a trip the weekend before NSD. UT does not get a chance to react.
 
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This isn't N. Korea.

If he were to try and dictate who can visit where, recruits won't commit early. It's not a good idea.
 
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Not too mention if you tell an 18 year old kid not to do something, he's going to do it.
 
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I agree. Being successful on the field next year would be needed to enforce it though.
 
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Maybe switch his philosophy to "highly discourage" visits within the, say, last 1-2 weeks... but to flat out abolish it would do more harm than good.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
This isn't N. Korea.
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Non sequitur... look it up.

There is nothing wrong with expecting a kid to take their visits before the middle of January after they've given you their commitment. They do not have to commit before then or stay committed if they decide to take late visits.

I am specifically talking about kids who are committed. If they are so uncertain as to be taking last minute trips then UT needs a chance to make its last minute changes as well.

If he were to try and dictate who can visit where, recruits won't commit early. It's not a good idea.
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Almost every program does. Kiffin definitely did. Seems like Saban pulled an offer not long ago because a kid took a visit after agreeing not to.

Dooley has about the most "liberal" policy on this of any coach around. It needs to be tightened up a little IMO.
 
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But there is always a lessons learned....why don't we try to have our really big group on the very last weekend before NCD?
 
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The Vols have one offensive lineman commitment, tackle Austin Sanders (Cleveland), in the fold for 2013 and have already offered 16 juniors. That's one more than the Vols extended for the entire 2012 class, according to 247Sports.

"Tennessee should be just fine as far as that goes," Shurburrt said. "From a national standpoint, it's another solid year."
 
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The clamp down approach is definitely not the change that should be made, while Dooley has done a solid job in recruiting solid guys, he is just not closing well. Not drastic changes, but something has got to be tweaked in his closing approach.
 
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i hate to say this because it's going to tick everyone off.

but, here it goes.

tennessee and derek dooley do not carry the kind of clout to make demands of anyone. when tennessee is the place where everyone wants to go, then they can take that kind of stance with recruits.

but, not now.
 
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sjt18 said:
... that "take your trips and be sure" philosophy.

I am all for it up through say... 3 weeks before NSD. IMHO, UT should clamp down on it within the last 3 weeks. Perhaps even establish a policy of pulling offers if they do it.

The dirtiest recruiting is always going to occur at crunch time. If a kid is going elsewhere then that decision should not be based on a trip the weekend before NSD. UT does not get a chance to react.
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Could not agree more, regarding the last week but not the last three. If you have guys committed and you allow them to visit other schools (especially their life long favorite) the last w/e before signing day, you are asking to get screwed. There is no stronger proof than what happened with Santos and Peters.
 
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I agree protect your back, can we now all agree that if a kid is visiting elsewhere then you should be a little worried, i don't care where he is visiting.
 
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99gator said:
i hate to say this because it's going to tick everyone off.

but, here it goes.

tennessee and derek dooley do not carry the kind of clout to make demands of anyone. when tennessee is the place where everyone wants to go, then they can take that kind of stance with recruits.

but, not now.
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At this point, UF is not either and it may get worse for yall, it will only get better for us.
 
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The only way to avoid losing recruits on NSD now is to just win. That is the ONLY thing coaches can say against Dooley. He's a high character guy, and every thing you want to represent you're program. All he's got to do now is show some progress. I personally think he is going to show that progress in a BIG way in 2012. Starting off with NCST. GO VOLS!
 
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sjt18 said:
... that "take your trips and be sure" philosophy.

I am all for it up through say... 3 weeks before NSD. IMHO, UT should clamp down on it within the last 3 weeks. Perhaps even establish a policy of pulling offers if they do it.

The dirtiest recruiting is always going to occur at crunch time. If a kid is going elsewhere then that decision should not be based on a trip the weekend before NSD. UT does not get a chance to react.
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I agree, Dooley should tell them they can visit all they want until 2-3 weeks before NSD.
 
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Do you really want to just hope it all works out at the very end?
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I don't know? I do see your point. There has to be some balance in there.

Most years, it seems that about 90% are good on their word. Say of a group of 25, there will always be 2-3 that you lose on that last weekend. So everyone focuses on them and makes a big fuss. But really we should perhaps look at the remaining 20 or so who really want to be here.

Last night, after Peters left, I was thinking how bad it could be if McNeil, O'Brian and Bourque all jumped ship. They all ended up sticking. I thought we would get Davis which we didn't. But I thought Patterson would go to UGA. Patterson is one guy who is really ready to be a game changer in 2012.

So all in all, I would have liked to have kept Peters. But I wasn't expecting Patterson so that is somewhat of a push. Bottom line...it could have been a whole lot worse. I will take what we got. We just need to get back to winning this fall!
 
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99gator said:
i hate to say this because it's going to tick everyone off.

but, here it goes.

tennessee and derek dooley do not carry the kind of clout to make demands of anyone. when tennessee is the place where everyone wants to go, then they can take that kind of stance with recruits.

but, not now.
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Advice: Leave. Didn't you all sign some recruits today that you should be celebrating? Go do that and leave us in peace.
 
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99gator said:
i hate to say this because it's going to tick everyone off.

but, here it goes.

tennessee and derek dooley do not carry the kind of clout to make demands of anyone. when tennessee is the place where everyone wants to go, then they can take that kind of stance with recruits.

but, not now.
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Don't totally disagree with that, the two are not all together synonymous. The program, even with a coach with a losing record, is still a top 10-15 program.
 
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99gator said:
i hate to say this because it's going to tick everyone off.

but, here it goes.

tennessee and derek dooley do not carry the kind of clout to make demands of anyone. when tennessee is the place where everyone wants to go, then they can take that kind of stance with recruits.

but, not now.
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You are correct. And when you have to go at least 2-3 hours away and pull recruits from their home states, it's a challenge.

Most UT fans don't have the objectivity to understand the challenges UT has in recruiting vs other SEC schools.

This isn't the 80's/90's anymore. Everyone has big stadiums, coaching is better in the league, and facilities are better in many places.

DD trying not to allow someone to take a visit is a bad idea. Can you imagine him trying to tell Santos he would pull his offer if he drove down the road to Austin for the weekend?
 
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Georgia Tech tried to tell commits they couldn't visit after comitting. They ended up w/16 signees.
 
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sjt18 said:
... that "take your trips and be sure" philosophy.

I am all for it up through say... 3 weeks before NSD. IMHO, UT should clamp down on it within the last 3 weeks. Perhaps even establish a policy of pulling offers if they do it.

The dirtiest recruiting is always going to occur at crunch time. If a kid is going elsewhere then that decision should not be based on a trip the weekend before NSD. UT does not get a chance to react.
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Agree.

Kids have to understand that their decesion impacts other kids dreams too. We had a couple of lb's that we passed on that would have loved to have been Vols.
 
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