Michelle Rhee For Education Secretary!

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My first choice would be to shut it down but this would be the next best...she is a big advocate of school choice and vouchers, she used to live in TN when she was married to Kevin Huffman...she was also in the excellent documentary Waiting For Superman
 
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Oh great. More use of taxpayer money to indoctrinate kids in religious schools.

You faux-constitutional conservatives are on a real roll as of late. What's next? Only pre-approved free speech, just like the left-wingers want?
 
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volprof said:
Oh great. More use of taxpayer money to indoctrinate kids in religious schools.

You faux-constitutional conservatives are on a real roll as of late. What's next? Only pre-approved free speech, just like the left-wingers want?
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So you would rather have them indoctrinated in Socialist ideals?
 
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VolnJC said:
My first choice would be to shut it down but this would be the next best...she is a big advocate of school choice and vouchers, she used to live in TN when she was married to Kevin Huffman...she was also in the excellent documentary Waiting For Superman
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Michelle Rhee is a HORRIBLE choice. Absolutely awful. Her system and demeanor was incredibly destructive to the school district she ran, and they wound up running her out of town.

The Education of Michelle Rhee | FRONTLINE | PBS

I truly and utterly despise that woman. She is everything wrong with many current "education" philosophies and unbelievably arrogant.

Vouchers and "school choice" are also a sham, a drain on public resources, inherently unfair, and unconstitutional.

Fix public schools; don't turn Education over to the hands of private entities who are in it for the money. That is asking for utter disaster.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Michelle Rhee is a HORRIBLE choice. Absolutely awful. Her system and demeanor was incredibly destructive to the school district she ran, and they wound up running her out of town.

The Education of Michelle Rhee | FRONTLINE | PBS

I truly and utterly despise that woman. She is everything wrong with many current "education" philosophies and unbelievably arrogant.

Vouchers and "school choice" are also a sham, a drain on public resources, inherently unfair, and unconstitutional.

Fix public schools; don't turn Education over to the hands of private entities who are in it for the money. That is asking for utter disaster.
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I was indifferent until i read this.

Now im all for her.
 
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CountVolcula said:
So you would rather have them indoctrinated in Socialist ideals?
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Or how about no indoctrination, just teaching them both sides of such debates where the perspectives are not discernably and demonstrably true or false?

I often discuss Ethical issues in my Exploratory classes and I NEVER reveal my thoughts as a teacher, only helping students think for themselves.

I think this whole idea of "indoctrination" that many clamor about is really nonexistent.
 
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volprof said:
Oh great. More use of taxpayer money to indoctrinate kids in religious schools.

You faux-constitutional conservatives are on a real roll as of late. What's next? Only pre-approved free speech, just like the left-wingers want?
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Who said private schools had to be based on religion? We wanted to homeschool our autistic son in TN but also wanted to follow the public curriculum only choice we had was K-12 and they are no longer allowed in the state.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Or how about no indoctrination, just teaching them both sides of such debates where the perspectives are not discernably and demonstrably true or false?

I often discuss Ethical issues in my Exploratory classes and I NEVER reveal my thoughts as a teacher, only helping students think for themselves.

I think this whole idea of "indoctrination" that many clamor about is really nonexistent.
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Oh, its there. Look into some of the textbooks

I do believe it should be free of political and religious motive
 
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VolnJC said:
Who said private schools had to be based on religion? We wanted to homeschool our autistic son in TN but also wanted to follow the public curriculum only choice we had was K-12 and they are no longer allowed in the state.
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As I read it, school vouchers allow for private religious school use at taxpayer expense in some states.

That's fundamentally unconstitutional, but no one seems to give a darn anymore about that, right or left.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Please, watch the documentary from PBS I posted and tell me that kind of person is really someone you want making decisions for our Education system.
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Im just needlin' ya. I dont care at all. I dont believe in our educational system. I believe education is most influenced by the parents.
 
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VolnJC said:
Who said private schools had to be based on religion? We wanted to homeschool our autistic son in TN but also wanted to follow the public curriculum only choice we had was K-12 and they are no longer allowed in the state.
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The problem is private schools don't have to follow the same rules public schools do and they can refuse and kick out students with ease. To remove a trouble-making student from a public school to an alternative setting takes loads of paperwork, documentation, interventions, etc. Not to mention the differences in standardized testing.

That system would be inherently unfair. If private schools can accept public funds they should be bound by the same expectations as public ones.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
The Education of Michelle Rhee | FRONTLINE | PBS

Vouchers and "school choice" are also a sham, a drain on public resources, inherently unfair, and unconstitutional.

Fix public schools; don't turn Education over to the hands of private entities who are in it for the money. That is asking for utter disaster.
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Amen. Although vouchers are better than the public school system. You cannot fix public schools because they are socialized and anything that is socialized sucks.

The good thing is that the Internet has made the public school obsolete and the school building is a monument to outdated, expensive government largesse.
 
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volprof said:
As I read it, school vouchers allow for private religious school use at taxpayer expense in some states.

That's fundamentally unconstitutional, but no one seems to give a darn anymore about that, right or left.
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It would be if the government mandated it be a Catholic, Jewish or other specific faith based school.
 
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volprof said:
Oh great. More use of taxpayer money to indoctrinate kids in religious schools.

You faux-constitutional conservatives are on a real roll as of late. What's next? Only pre-approved free speech, just like the left-wingers want?
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She didn't force Christianity into the DC school district
 
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volprof said:
As I read it, school vouchers allow for private religious school use at taxpayer expense in some states.

That's fundamentally unconstitutional, but no one seems to give a darn anymore about that, right or left.
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Not sure about that, I'm agnostic, so I would never use a religious school, we just knew that our son wouldn't do well due to food and noise aversions in regular school... and he was also so far ahead (could do multiplication thru 20 by age 6) but our only choice was TNVA and they no longer allow the use of public funds for school...we pretty much pay for it on our own and use a blanket school for recordkeeping.
Tennessee Virtual Academy | Welcome to Tennessee Virtual Academy!
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
The problem is private schools don't have to follow the same rules public schools do and they can refuse and kick out students with ease. To remove a trouble-making student from a public school to an alternative setting takes loads of paperwork, documentation, interventions, etc. Not to mention the differences in standardized testing.

That system would be inherently unfair. If private schools can accept public funds they should be bound by the same expectations as public ones.
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The faith based school my daughter attended didnt kick anyone out. Even the young lady prostituting.
 
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McDad said:
It would be if the government mandated it be a Catholic, Jewish or other specific faith based school.
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Well, that makes me feel a lot better.

God forbid if the government actually mandated what religion our taxpayer money be used for in the religious preferences of potential candidates for school vouchers.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Oh, its there. Look into some of the textbooks

I do believe it should be free of political and religious motive
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As a teacher, myself, I think you're really way off the mark. What "socialist" indoctrination is there? The ONLY thing I can think of that might even approach what you're thinking is History class with FDR and the very positive spin on the New Deal.

What subject are they being indoctrinated in?

Math?
Literature? Are Macbeth and "O Captain, My Captain" socialist?
Science class?

There really isn't much opportunity for this "socialist indoctrination" you speak.

My best friend is a Business and Economics teacher and they only cover the practical basics of market dynamics and how to present yourself in a business setting.

I teach in the ungodly liberal domain of Theater Arts and all we talk about is...acting.
 
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volprof said:
Well, that makes me feel a lot better.

God forbid if the government actually mandated what religion our taxpayer money be used for in the religious preferences of potential candidates for school vouchers.
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Glad you feel better.
 
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McDad said:
The faith based school my daughter attended didnt kick anyone out. Even the young lady prostituting.
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That is that particular school's decision, but it still doesn't deny the fact that private schools CAN refuse and kick out students far easier than a public school can.

If private schools want public funding, let them play by the same rules is all I'm saying.
 
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