Michael White (La Tech)

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BigZiti09 said:
Gotta find a middle ground. Hammy killed us with buyouts. Dave Hart may do the same in an opposite manner. Rather than strap UT with financial burden, he may saddle us with lesser head coaches.
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Any decent coach with a decent agent isn't gonna let his client walk into that. And with the family full of ADs White has Hart should've known that. I can't imagine they're that far apart, to me you're risking a lot not getting this done. White's got a lot of family who will likely let it be known what Hart's driving at, and that's not a good look.

Whether right or wrong, you allow a Sweet 16 coach to go after 3 years because of a buyout issue, now you don't wanna tie yourself up for 4 years with an up and comer? What're you gonna do, hire Derek Dooley who'll take whatever for a contract and let him drive the program into the ground?

Really questioning Hart on this if it doesn't get worked out.
 
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govols120 said:
Hart should be willing to commit for at least 4 or 5 years if he really believes this is the guy
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I saw a good post on TOS...
The gist was this, people talk about how a coach should be confident he can win and so a buyout shouldn't be that important....should an athletic director feel confident he's hiring a guy he won't have to fire so the buyout that guy wants isn't important?

It works both ways Hart
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Any decent coach with a decent agent isn't gonna let his client walk into that. And with the family full of ADs White has Hart should've known that. I can't imagine they're that far apart, to me you're risking a lot not getting this done. White's got a lot of family who will likely let it be known what Hart's driving at, and that's not a good look.

Whether right or wrong, you allow a Sweet 16 coach to go after 3 years because of a buyout issue, now you don't wanna tie yourself up for 4 years with an up and comer? What're you gonna do, hire Derek Dooley who'll take whatever for a contract and let him drive the program into the ground?

Really questioning Hart on this if it doesn't get worked out.
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Seems like to me, they have to get him, it's gotten pretty far now. It's going to look very bad if they don't land him now imo.
 
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govols120 said:
It seems to me that if that's the issue, it's really petty and shouldn't be very difficult to work out.
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My hope as well.

Something that gives me confidence it gets done is that apparently Tyndall hasn't heard from Tennessee since early on in the search. That means hart wanted White, and has singled him out. Missouri possibly could already be involved with Tyndall, getting the deal done with White may be his best choice. And don't think Tyndall's agent isn't watching, we miss on White and Tyndall has the bargaining power.
 
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bamacheats said:
This sounds just like a Jimmy Sexton fustercluck. If he's not involved, someone he's trained is.
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Sexton's not his aren't, but not sure who his agent was trained by. I see no issue with a young coach wanting a 4 year commitment though, he'd be dumb to come here on basically a 3 year deal.
 
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vol66 said:
Seems like to me, they have to get him, it's gotten pretty far now. It's going to look very bad if they don't land him now imo.
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The issue I see if you miss on him is that you haven't spoken to Tyndall since early in the search supposedly. So what if Missouri is now involved, do you get in a bidding war or go further down your list?

If Tyndall isn't involved with Missouri and willing to listen, you can bet his agent knows you missed on your first few, and most realistic in White. He will know Tyndall is probably the last good realistic hire available, and that your signees are getting restless, his asking price goes up.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
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On the bolded, if true...good luck convincing any good coach to come here with a contract that says....if you don't do good enough in your first 2 years I'm gonna make it real easy to fire you.
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FWIW, I'm reading it to mean that the buyout from UT would drop a lot after the third season. It says, "once a deal moved beyond the first two seasons."
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The issue I see if you miss on him is that you haven't spoken to Tyndall since early in the search supposedly. So what if Missouri is now involved, do you get in a bidding war or go further down your list?

If Tyndall isn't involved with Missouri and willing to listen, you can bet his agent knows you missed on your first few, and most realistic in White. He will know Tyndall is probably the last good realistic hire available, and that your signees are getting restless, his asking price goes up.
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That brings up a question. If we miss on White and Tynall is involved with Missouri.....who would be next. I really don't know if I want to know or not. lol
 
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If Tennessee gets in a bidding war over Donnie Tyndall, I will indeed be seriously worried about the direction of our athletic department
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The issue I see if you miss on him is that you haven't spoken to Tyndall since early in the search supposedly. So what if Missouri is now involved, do you get in a bidding war or go further down your list?

If Tyndall isn't involved with Missouri and willing to listen, you can bet his agent knows you missed on your first few, and most realistic in White. He will know Tyndall is probably the last good realistic hire available, and that your signees are getting restless, his asking price goes up.
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I agree with all of that. Thanks for all the info, I'm out. :p
 
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ukvols said:
FWIW, I'm reading it to mean that the buyout from UT would drop a lot after the third season. It says, "once a deal moved beyond the first two seasons."
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Yea, the buyout White would receive from UT would drop significantly after the 3rd season. Meaning it would be easy to fire him after year 3, and he wants the high buyout into year 4-5 to assure he's gonna get a chance to get all his guys in there and run his program.
 
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allvol9 said:
That brings up a question. If we miss on White and Tynall is involved with Missouri.....who would be next. I really don't know if I want to know or not. lol
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If the AD has balls? Howland, but that won't happen, so...

Honestly if it gets to that point hire Rick Byrd. He would be cheap and a 2-3 year stop gap. Get your $hit together as an athletic department and prepare yourself to make a big hire in 3 years.


Jmo
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If the AD has balls? Howland, but that won't happen, so...

Honestly if it gets to that point hire Rick Byrd. He would be cheap and a 2-3 year stop gap. Get your $hit together as an athletic department and prepare yourself to make a big hire in 3 years.


Jmo
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Not a terrible last resort.
 
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Geez talk about unrealistic expectations, with the leftover roster from CCM Hart is giving him only 2 guaranteed years? I don't blame White for his hesitance, this is going to be at least a 2 year project. Come on Hart!
 
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Relatively speaking, even at 100% of the first year salary, that's a pretty small buyout after three years. Hart could blow this and end up paying more than $1.3 over 3-4 years on his second or third choice. I thought maybe White was asking something super low to get out of here to go to Ole Miss, but it seems we're the ones being cheap and it could cost Hart. Not just White, but money on the next guy down the list. It's a wash or worse, imo.
 
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If you follow the tweets to and from the guy from Louisiana, a reporter there says he doesn't ever use the "source" thing, but he's confident White told us no tonight and it was the buyout. So if the salary was 1.3 million and for three years, the most the buyout for year three could be would be his total salary (1.3 for one year), which isn't likely.

So Hart is saving $500,000 for three years, plus wants no, or little, buyout in year three. I'm not sure that will cut it with anyone we'd want. If that's all true.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If the AD has balls? Howland, but that won't happen, so...

Honestly if it gets to that point hire Rick Byrd. He would be cheap and a 2-3 year stop gap. Get your $hit together as an athletic department and prepare yourself to make a big hire in 3 years.


Jmo
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I have actually been thinking that would not be a bad idea. I'd like to think 5-6 years would be better though. Stability to the program and UT in general is what I think Byrd being hired would do. He hires some quality recruiters and IMO we would be just fine. The man could sell UT with the best of them IMO. He would also be a very budget friendly hire IMO.
 
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The LA Tech fans I've seen tweeting about it all think he's gone. Means nothing until something official appears, but interesting to note
 
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