Message to the Media --- If You're Reading

[ButchPlz]

This post needs a nice hefty sticky.

 

[Herman Hickman]

Excellent summation, DG.

The fact the pro-UTAD shills on this site cannot refute one aspect of it attests to the quality of your research and skill of your writing.

Someone should make you athletic director.

 

[Volatility]

Spot on DG! Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[mpfvol]

Good Read and post Thanks . The guy was at Penn state little over 4 years and all these other people knew about this ordeal and he didnt it is to hard for me to believe that in every job I have ever had everyone talks about everything. But maybe he was the exception who knows I am glad he is not at UT .

 

[MT LeConte]

Excellent post, this should be read by everyone in sports media.

 

[VolnTEARS?]

Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

I was listening to Jared Stillman and the former Titans GM Floyd Reese on 97.5 today. It's a local sports talk out of Nashville for those who don't know.

They were absolutely ripping Tennessee fans to shreds for rejecting Schiano and quoting Herbstreit and the rest of the big sports media who have been ripping us.

Floyd Reese was saying, "They hired Currie to do a job so how come the State Representatives and the fans all think they can do a better job. That's what you hired him to do so what makes all the fans and reps more qualified to do that job? Let Currie do his job!"

Well - this was the question I wanted to ask Jared and Mr. Reese.

What motivation did Mike McQueary have for naming Schiano as a coach who had admitted seeing Sandusky molesting a young boy?

Remember, Mike McQueary was under oath. Did Schiano come out and say, "Mike McQueary testified I said this because he has always hated me and wanted to tarnish my name?" What has Schiano said in reply except to deny he ever said it?

So that's the big question for me - what motivation did Mike McQueary have to lie about it?

Here is the actual quote from the Washington Post article:

"According to McQueary, Bradley identified Schiano, now the Ohio State defensive coordinator, as the other assistant. In response to a question about whether Bradley had shared details of what Schiano had said, McQueary related a conversation with Bradley.

“No,” McQueary replied, according to the documents, “only that he had — I can’t remember if it was one night or one morning — but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that’s it. That’s all he ever told me.”

So why would McQueary lie about that?


Link to the full Washington Post article:
Greg Schiano, Tom Bradley knew of Jerry Sandusky abuse at Penn State, documents show - The Washington Post

 

[JohnnyBanana]

Agreed OP.

 

[VolnTEARS?]

McQueary gave his side of events under sworn oath.

Schiano has failed to respond in a similar fashion. He has also declined to sue for defamation.

As OP stated, this is not a court of law. It is not the University of Tennessee's job to determine Schiano's innocence or guilt. It is also not their job to rehabilitate a coach who still has this hanging over his head.

And I notice you haven't touched what DG had to say about Schiano's time in Tampa, events that have been corrobated by Tampa media, former Buc players, and national NFL beat writers. Why?

This man was, and is, a scoundrel of epic proportions. We just finished ridding ourselves of a coach known for abusing players. Why would you want to replace him with someone who had a reputation for doing the exact same thing at his previous head coaching job?

This has done damage to Tennessee's reputation. That isn't the fault of the fans. That is the fault of UTAD and those who pull their strings.

Someone should've vetted Schiano properly. That wasn't done.

Didn't see your post til after I posted mine. Exactly. You said it better than I did.

These have been my questions since all this broke out. Well put.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

No the media is right not one iota of evidence. McQuery testified multiple times in different trials each testimony was different couldnt keep same story. Public knowledge. This with Schiano was bilateral hearsay like my friends friend told him and he told me. Testimony to lead prosecutor was not viewed as credible why charges were never brought against Schiano. This from state prosecutors who were very aggressive in going after everybody. Instead of being dumb blind hicks sucks to say as im from TN, but if the shoe fits wear it. Ask yourself if he had anything to do with it, or if he knew why wasnt any criminal charges brought. Why did no victim come forward and say yeah i recognize him thats greg schiano he witnessed my rape. Not one civil suit has been filed in court against schiano. Thats ok though grab thee pitchforks go follow thy leader in rebel rouser d***sucker Clay Travis and make the university, the state look like undeducated hicks who cant read above the 2nd grade leve. Dan Wetzel followed the Sandusky trial and scandal closely. As he said if TN fans would have bothered to read the thousands and thousands of pgs in the disposition they could of seen their was no evidence of Schiano ever being involved, or witnessing anything.

Not sure why you're nuthugging on GS but try to research a little bit before saying things that are blatantly false. Read the article for an explanation on why prosecutors didn't call Schiano or Bradley.

Why didn't state prosecutors call Tom Bradley or Greg Schiano as witnesses in Jerry Sandusky trial? | PennLive.com

 

[SemperFiTn]

McQueary gave his side of events under sworn oath.

Schiano has failed to respond in a similar fashion. He has also declined to sue for defamation.

As OP stated, this is not a court of law. It is not the University of Tennessee's job to determine Schiano's innocence or guilt. It is also not their job to rehabilitate a coach who still has this hanging over his head.

And I notice you haven't touched what DG had to say about Schiano's time in Tampa, events that have been corrobated by Tampa media, former Buc players, and national NFL beat writers. Why?

This man was, and is, a scoundrel of epic proportions. We just finished ridding ourselves of a coach known for abusing players. Why would you want to replace him with someone who had a reputation for doing the exact same thing at his previous head coaching job?

This has done damage to Tennessee's reputation. That isn't the fault of the fans. That is the fault of UTAD and those who pull their strings.

Someone should've vetted Schiano properly. That wasn't done.

No your right this is not a court of law so before you go posting on social media, or parading around with signs saying he enabled a child predator you better be 100 % certain you know he is guilty of it. Because if you arent youre making reckless claims and karma is a b****. If its not true and he didnt know like he said i hope and prey to every god the people who went online, marched around, and painted rocks get their name drug thru the mud, lose their job and can never get another one because their repuration was falsely slandered. Furthermore i didnt address his time in Tampa because honestly im a Marine i found it quite funny men getting paid millions cry like b****** when they get yelled at, cussed at, etc. In the Marines we get yelled at even cussed at quite often its called be a man take your butt chewing and move on you know like a professional. Oh wait i guess you cant talk to civilians anyway theyre too fragile.

Furthermore i could careless if this boiled down to hey we dont think he is a good coach, but to slander someones name based on bilateral hearsay testimony in an insurance claim case. With 0 evidence no conviction no civil suit or any charge being placed against him in criminal court. Well thats another story he has kids and a family. You wouldnt want it done to you so dont do it unto others. I mean TN is right in the bible belt thats what those bible thumpers preach right do unto others as you would want done unto you. Heck thars the golden rule.

 

[SobeVol]

Beyond the Sandusky case,
Schiano has a losing record at his previous two coaching jobs, was notoriously unethical, and hated by his players.
If you think that is the best Tennessee deserves then go screw yourselves! You opinionhold no weight and you have lost all credibility in that line of thinking.
Get any decent candidate and the fans would support them just as we did Dooley and butch when we all knew it was a bs hire.
Enough is enough

 

[SemperFiTn]

Not sure why you're nuthugging on GS but try to research a little bit before saying things that are blatantly false. Read the article for an explanation on why prosecutors didn't call Schiano or Bradley.

Why didn't state prosecutors call Tom Bradley or Greg Schiano as witnesses in Jerry Sandusky trial? | PennLive.com

Yeah because they werent needed as witnesses for the state. . Plus i read the same article many a times. You on the other hand need some real reading comprehension skills because trying to argue my point as to why Schiano was never charged with a crime like the pres. Ad people who are doing jailtime with an article explaining why the prosecutors never called schiano or bradley to testify.

 

[Doc_Vol]

Shared this. Gave you credit OP

 

[Herman Hickman]

No your right this is not a court of law so before you go posting on social media, or parading around with signs saying he enabled a child predator you better be 100 % certain you know he is guilty of it. Because if you arent youre making reckless claims and karma is a b****. If its not true and he didnt know like he said i hope and prey to every god the people who went online, marched around, and painted rocks get their name drug thru the mud, lose their job and can never get another one because their repuration was falsely slandered. Furthermore i didnt address his time in Tampa because honestly im a Marine i found it quite funny men getting paid millions cry like b****** when they get yelled at, cussed at, etc. In the Marines we get yelled at even cussed at quite often its called be a man take your butt chewing and move on you know like a professional. Oh wait i guess you cant talk to civilians anyway theyre too fragile.

Furthermore i could careless if this boiled down to hey we dont think he is a good coach, but to slander someones name based on bilateral hearsay testimony in an insurance claim case. With 0 evidence no conviction no civil suit or any charge being placed against him in criminal court. Well thats another story he has kids and a family. You wouldnt want it done to you so dont do it unto others. I mean TN is right in the bible belt thats what those bible thumpers preach right do unto others as you would want done unto you. Heck thars the golden rule.

Testimony regarding his activity was given under oath. Schiano has refused to sue for defamation. I can't help it if you want to bring someone into Knoxville who refused to protect his name after being associated with Sandusky's activities. But I damn sure will do what I can to stop UTAD from allowing this kind of scum to run anything at the University of Tennessee.

What went down in Tampa goes beyond the development of Marine discipline. We just went through this in Knoxville with Butch Jones, leading the loss of depth in the fifth year of his misrule. Yet you want to bring in someone who did the exact same thing as a head coach in the NFL.

If you want this program associated with Sandusky and those who looked the other way while he was engaged in rape, then that is your right.

But Greg Schiano has no right to expect the University of Tennessee to act as a halfway house to restore his battered reputation.

 

[SmokinBob]

It angers me watching the national sports media defend Greg Schiano today and try to smear the brave Tennesseeans who stood up against his hire to one of the most prominent positions in the entire state as 'dumb hillbillies.' It's a clear reminder why sexual abuse continues to happen.


Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

Schiano's "high integrity" story refuted by Tampa Bay. The problem is further exacerbated because the "Schiano is a high character guy" is directly refuted by his time in Tampa Bay, where he known as an abusive autocrat who actually spied on his players, lied constantly, rigged team captain votes, and pretty much alienated everyone within the program. Ask the guys who played under Schiano at Tampa Bay about his "high integrity." At least one player compared playing under Schiano to being in Communist Cuba. Do you think a guy like that would stand up against sexual abuse? Or do you think a petty autocrat who tries to control information might try to hide information about sexual abuse? Several NFL insiders have also said Schiano is low character / low class as it gets and hiring him would be a disaster for any program. He's even been in a heated disputes with players (including former Vol Peyton Manning) over one of his tactics which involves trying to take out the knees of unprotected players at the end of games during the "kneel-down" play. During his time in the NFL, he showed the exact opposite of integrity.

UT Message Boards Did More Through Due Diligence than Athletic Department. Tennessee Volunteer fans did more thorough due diligence on Schiano than the Tennessee Athletic Department and several other schools. The crazy thing is most of this information is readily available via Google. But phone calls to Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer and a couple of other coaches apparently nullifies any accusations ever leveled against him. Nevermind that this same "vetting process" would've said Jerry Sandusky was A-OK. The UT Vols message board and Twitter communities are very active. There's been a lot of discussion about potential coaching candidates. No candidate attracted as near universal disgust as Schiano did. This is primarily because his questionable integrity became obvious in the heated message board discussions where everyone was forced to deal with his long track record of questionable ethics. People are not willing to overlook the statement by Mike McQueary (who is viewed by the public as a much more honest and reliable witness) than Schiano (who has a long record of lying and manipulating and less than stellar integrity.)

"Guilt" is a standard for a court of law; not for major high-profile positions. We'll never know the precise facts regarding Schiano's knowledge of Sandusky's crimes, but the idea that you just make a man this with long of a track record of ethical issues the face of one of the nation's largest public universities, hand him a $5 million salary, and put him in charge of hundreds of people (including many young impressionable 18 - 23 year old men) just because Bill Belichick says "he's OK" is ludicrous. "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard. "Proven integrity" should be the standard for a high-profile public position. That standard is nowhere close to being met by Schiano. Obviously, no one is perfect and many football coaches have flawed records, but there are much larger question marks about Schiano than any other candidate mentioned. You can't hire a guy simply with questionable integrity simply because his integrity hasn't been debunked in a criminal trial in a court of law.

Tennessee fans were right. I'm proud of the Tennessee fans that shut this down. We were 100% in the right. You don't make this guy one of the most powerful persons in the state of Tennessee and the face of the flagship university when you have major questions about whether he'd stand up to sexual abuse. The Art Briles scandal at Baylor happened just a few years ago, and the media is seriously trying to say we have no legitimate concerns? The hire may have very well destroyed the entire program. Contrary to the media's biased reporting, this was not a "football thing." Many of us UT fans would've been disappointed with a mediocre hire, but we still would've supported the team.

Schiano was the line in the sand. He was a mediocre hire whose integrity was very much at question. It honestly would bring tears to my eyes to know that a man who may have protected Jerry Sandusky would be wearing Tennessee orange on the sidelines and speaking as the voice of the community. A poor coach is one thing; this was quite another.


The national sports media should be ashamed for trying to demonize Tennessseans for standing up against sexual abuse. With all the stuff that has come out against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, John Conyers, etc, etc, etc, you'd think a small group of Tennesseans who took a hard-line against sexual abuse would be hailed as heroes. Instead, we're being treated like 'dumb hillbillies' who 'think they deserve too much.' And then the media wonders how sexual abuse continues to happen. The allegations against Schiano have not been proven in a court of law, but that doesn't mean we should rush out and hire the guy just because Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick vouch for him. These are major question marks for a person leading young men and Schiano does not met the standards of integrity that should be expected.

This is exactly why Tennesseans around the world united their voices in protest. Thank you, Ghost. :hi: