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#51
#51
McDad said:
I agree 100% with momma Crooms (I think she posts on this board under the name mzterry). It is one thing for fans to critique coaching, play calling, other fans, etc. It is another thing to berate the players and make subjective assesments of the performance on the field. There is so much we, as fans, simply do not know about play calling, schemes, and the fundamentals of what it takes to compete at an elite level. We would like to know, we pretend to know, and unfortunately we set our expectations (unrealistic or not) of what we think we should see on the field. When the reality doesn't meet our level of expectations, we lower the boom on everyone. Fans and players can all agree that losing is no fun. My team's loss is not a reflection on me as a person. My team's victory doesn't improve the quality of the important things in my life.

Calling players losers, quitters, lazy, indifferent, etc doesn't define those players...it defines those of us who are labeling the players. We can all do a better job of seperating the performance we don't like from the player we do like. After all, these guys had many colleges pursuing them and they made the choice to play a game we love for the college we support.

We should all consider that these are young men. How many of us made good decisions all the time at that age? As a person who is 41, I know there are many mistakes I made in college and would like the opportunity to go back and make a better decision. There were times I was emotionally immature, made stupid decisions, and didn't do my best because of that immaturity.
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To be fair how many of us were scholarship athletes playing on the biggest stage most will ever see? How many of us had a coach and team to think about as opposed to just how we were going to get laid?

Comparing a normal college experience to an athletes college experience is fruitless.

With that said, again, they deserve better leaders. One cannot lead when their skill level is behind the level of those they are attempting to lead.
 
#53
#53
UTFanForLife said:
You responded, you shouldn't have done that. That should have just went right on past you.
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You're so sweet. Listen honey, do you think the Alabama players fold when they are put down on their fan boards? No. Because they're not put down on their fan boards. Get it??


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#54
#54
UTFanForLife said:
No really, it is just a game. If football effects your life so much that you are miserable, step back and reflect.
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Dude this is misdirected, and no it is much more than a game. I look forward to the football season more than anything else, and is the only sport or team I follow or give a dam about. Yes it is not my life, and I am far from miserable, but to say it is "just a game" is another way to say that the pride that I as an alumni and supporter of the program is false pride and shouldn't matter. It does matter, and NO the fans do not deserve a championship team every year but with the considerable resources at our disposal we deserve better than this staff and head coach.
 
#55
#55
voldawgforever said:
The players that this board effects are the sissys that are causing us to lose in the first place.

Win or else.


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Dawg, you are exactly the type of troll we're talking about. Thanks for proving my point! Now go back to a UGA forum please.
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#56
#56
voldawgforever said:
You're so sweet. Listen honey, do you think the Alabama players fold when they are put down on their fan boards? No. Because they're not put down on their fan boards. Get it??


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If they are not put down, how do you know if they would fold? Heck, I called you a small man and I got you all wound up. You went on to saying dumb stuff and trying to insult with cute words. It's ok buttercup, one day you will be a bigger man.
 
#57
#57
UTFanForLife said:
No really, it is just a game. If football effects your life so much that you are miserable, step back and reflect.
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If I am into something, I am all in. Otherwise , why bother? No sleepwalking allowed around my house.

You are either passionate about what you do, or you are a knot on a log. Kinda difficult to get a thrill from something if you can take it or leave it. You would have 95k fans yelling and screaming at Neyland----but tell them they are not to take it so serious? rotf.
 
#58
#58
bcartervol98 said:
Dude this is misdirected, and no it is much more than a game. I look forward to the football season more than anything else, and is the only sport or team I follow or give a dam about. Yes it is not my life, and I am far from miserable, but to say it is "just a game" is another way to say that the pride that I as an alumni and supporter of the program is false pride and shouldn't matter. It does matter, and NO the fans do not deserve a championship team every year but with the considerable resources at our disposal we deserve better than this staff and head coach.
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It is just a game. You can get upset, you can be disappointed. But if football affects your life so much that you result to player bashing it is time to step away. That is what the OP is about.
 
#59
#59
I can hear the coaching staff now...

"Have you guys seen what they're saying on THE MESSAGE BOARDS!!"



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#60
#60
JohnWardForever said:
If I am into something, I am all in. Otherwise , why bother? No sleepwalking allowed around my house.

You are either passionate about what you do, or you are a knot on a log. Kinda difficult to get a thrill from something if you can take it or leave it. You would have 95k fans yelling and screaming at Neyland----but tell them they are not to take it so serious? rotf.
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I'm passionate about a lot of things, do I let them control me? That would be a no. There is a time when things go to far, they no longer are a passion, but an obsession. Player bashing puts you way beyond both of those.
 
#61
#61
UTFanForLife said:
If they are not put down, how do you know if they would fold? Heck, I called you a small man and I got you all wound up. You went on to saying dumb stuff and trying to insult with cute words. It's ok buttercup, one day you will be a bigger man.
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Boy, you really dish it out behind that monitor. I bet you are really all that. Yeah, I just imagine what a piece of work you are.
 
#62
#62
UTFanForLife said:
I'm passionate about a lot of things, do I let them control me? That would be a no. There is a time when things go to far, they no longer are a passion, but an obsession. Player bashing puts you way beyond both of those.
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I bashed not. If I chose to, none of your affair. Trolling and critiquing---quite a life you got there. I see mama didn't whip that butt nearly enough; if at all.
 
#64
#64
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Gotta love the idioic real fan BS comments.
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I guarantee you at least 4 out of 5 fans would anonymously say they would like to see Dooley replaced with a leader capable of leading.

A "Real Fan" accepts mediocrity and takes the hand they are dealt with a smile, dont you know silly rabbit?
 
#65
#65
87Vol said:
If they don't want to read things that hurt, then they should play inspired football for 4 full quarters and actually beat somebody in the SEC that has a pulse. What about all the hurt and embarrassment they cause our fan base when they tank and quit and get steamrolled by our rivals every year?
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WAAAAAA........!

If you really think that your hurt is valid, why don't you file a lawsuit against the team or the ones you think hurt you by quitting and see how far that gets in the judicial system.

Sometimes I wonder if people really think this way or are the just poking a stick in the monkey cage?
 
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#66
#66
IluvdoubleD's said:
I'm new here, but I'm beginning to believe there are a lot of gator, BAMA, and bulldog fans that have infiltrated these boards. You guys, WE, are as much a part of the team as anybody. if ya'll dont believe, who will? good GOD, we have a team that CAN do this, so why not give them some positivity?
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totally sending Bray some positive vibes brah. ((((())))))
 
#67
#67
For message board chatter, you boys sure are getting riled up. I can see why it shouldn't matter what these players think when words are said about them. Thanks for proving my point.
 
#68
#68
Last time I checked, the internet is still an avenue for free speech, especially boards like this.

If the players read these boards and get upset, they shouldn't. Most of us on here are yahoos that come on to gripe and celebrate, nobody has any real pull over anything.

Blaming the fans is ridiculous. These coaches and players are getting an opportunity most of us would kill for. If we can't do it, then we are going to be a part of this however we can, and this is just one avenue where we feel we can belong.

Sounds like the players, recruits, and families need to grow up. They are adults. This is a big time university with a lot of resources and pressure comes with the job description. And not just here, this goes the same for any university, this is what it is.
 
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#69
#69
When CPF was in his last season here, people would boo at games. I remember that sparking a huge debate on whether people should boo or not. The position I finally ended up taking is that if the kids were playing hard, then booing was out of line.

I think a lot of those guys out there are giving their all for Tennessee, even if we get the Da'ricks every now and then.

Tyler Bray making the statement to the CSS guys that fans were mad if he didn't react but mad if he did pretty much told me that they are on these boards.

I walked into Gibbs Hall in 2007 a while after Tennessee won and saw Lucas Taylor on a computer downstairs watching video highlights of the game on ESPN. These guys are on these boards.

Now, to tie all that together. I think criticism to players that aren't trying is completely fair. But criticizing the guys that are trying but just don't have the talent to compete at this level is out of line (Palardy doesn't have it between the ears, Skylar McBee comes to mind). Criticizing the coaching staff is fair as well, because it will always fall back on them (even though we don't see everything they do behind those doors).

There is a positive, though, as a couple have mentioned. If the players feel like it's them against the world, maybe they'll play not only for themselves, but their fellow teammates as well. That's what camaraderie is all about.

(sorry so long. Someone hit me with a funny "Didn't read" GIF)
 
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#71
#71
That reads exactly like a FosterMom post

and she is probably laughing all the way to the bank with Arian

could probably post to us from the beaches of the Caribbean telling us that we knew nothing of Arian's promising talent

I will say that there are fans on this board, and every team message board, that overreact and make the general attitude of the fan base look like something of disgruntled 5 year olds.
 
#72
#72
boro_vol said:
UT fans do not root against their team or their coach, period! Some of you guys have said you hope Dooley gets fired, meaning you want UT to lose. Not a fan, but a troll!
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You do realize voting an incumbent President out doesn't mean one wants the USA to fail? I do not see anyone rooting against The Vols, I see people overstating the obvious that we are a mid tier SEC team at best, near the bottom at worst, after 3 years with Dooley as a HC he is still winless vs ranked teams. I think we also have 1 road SEC win vs Vandy in his 3 years as well. Thats not rooting against him, its just a fact.

Not calling names like you, just pointing out the painfully obvious fact that we will lose most of our SEC games this year, again, and be 6-6 or 7-5 a best,again, and some people will just say "Aww shucks" and some will be vocal about it. Such is life.
 
#73
#73
I will say that I'm glad that there wasn't a message board dedicated to my goings on in college and the dumb things that I did.

I just wasn't that interesting off the field I guess.

The posts dedicated to my blunders and shortcomings in my first 2.5 years of college. No robberies on the strip, punching cops, or failing drug tests, but I wouldn't have had many fans.
 
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#74
Business comparison seems to be reasonable, not sure of best model (retail, manufacturing, etc) Want to walk through the analogy to make sure that relationships and questions posed are reasonable. The HUGE flaw is that business assumes rational customers and decisions.

Business Owner/Board is about same as UT AD / Chancellor / Regents
Business GM/Manager is about same has head coach
Department managers are about same as OC/DC, coaches
Employees are about same as the players
Customers are about same as the fans / audience
Recruits are potential employees with high value alternatives

If describing what happens on the boards, we have healthy doses on each level (good or bad, pending your personal view). If you are the business owner,

1) Does the customers (fan) opinion have any impact? In the open internet, yes, anyone can read any rant, regardless of how poorly founded. Since the internet is faceless, opinions are easy to obtain and impact the overall business perception.

2) How does a customers (fans) negative review affect the business? If you are a potential employee (recruit), this becomes part of the aggregate knowledge of the company (perception) and its comparison to alternatives. More derogatory would lower the value. If you are a potential customer (fan/audience), this becomes the fair-weather fan forming (or validating) an opinion of the quality of full program (top to bottom). Haters/Lovers are here period. If you are the employee (player), this shifts to a morale issue or converts into why do I work here if the grass is some much greener.

3) How does false review affect business: Nothing like a troll for business. There are entire businesses to thwart false reviews.

4) Will the customer comments change the business operations? NO or (Yes / No / Maybe). There are no 'customers are always right' businesses remaining for a reason. Customers have opinions, often without understanding. For the business leadership, the confidence is that the staffing underneath is executing the strategy based on the agreed metrics and will remain on course accordingly.
 
#75
#75
it's pretty apparent that the players read several of the msg boards

Mount McCullers was talking about it too

the guys know what we're saying, I'm sure the recruits check it too
 
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