Memphis high schoolers elected to attend a CUSA team's camp over ours.

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JokermanVol said:
Memphis area players skip UT elite basketball camp for Memphis : Men's Basketball : GoVolsXtra.com

I realize the loyality Memphis kids have towards the city's university, but it's a bid sad that a brand new coach can attract all these Memphis guys over all that we offer.

If Pearl cannot eventually create a pipeline to Memphis, I'm unsure he will be able to build a program capable of advancing past the Sweet 16.
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:cool2:To crack that Memphis recruiting nut, Coaches K, P and S will have to find convincing impersonators capable of passing ACT and SAT tests for the athletically talented but educationally unexposed Memphians.
 
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KYVolFan said:
:cool2:To crack that Memphis recruiting nut, Coaches K, P and S will have to find convincing impersonators capable of passing ACT and SAT tests for the athletically talented but educationally unexposed Memphians.
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Elliot Williams was able to get into Duke, which has higher standards than UT when it comes to becoming eligible and he was from memphis. So not all memphis talent are idiots.
 
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martin98 said:
Elliot Williams was able to get into Duke, which has higher standards than UT when it comes to becoming eligible and he was from memphis. So not all memphis talent are idiots.
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Williams went to a private highschool in Germantown.
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dickens821 said:
He also went to a private school in a suburb of Memphis.
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Just because they went to a private school does not give them an advantage I went to school with Elliot and there were plenty of people in his class that were not elligible for top schools like UT.
 
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martin98 said:
Just because they went to a private school does not give them an advantage I went to school with Elliot and there were plenty of people in his class that were not elligible for top schools like UT.
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That wasn't the point. The point is the vast majority of athletes from the inner city (or, hell just the city of Memphis) can't get accepted into major universities because of the poor public school system in the city. The argument leans even more in my favor when the ones you mention are from very expensive private schools. But here, I'll help your argument. Dane Bradshaw, Joe Jackson (likely), and JP Prince all had no issues with schools. But of course they go to the one competent public school run by the city.
 
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Robert O'Kelley supposedly wanted to go to a school with great academics as well.
 
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Remind me when the last time a Top 50 caliber basketball prospect from Memphis failed to qualify was.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Remind me when the last time a Top 50 caliber basketball prospect from Memphis failed to qualify was.
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What, exactly, is your point? There is a vast amount of talent from the city of Memphis every year that does nothing because of the awful school system they are in. Just because the top players make it means zilch.
 
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dickens821 said:
What, exactly, is your point? There is a vast amount of talent from the city of Memphis every year that does nothing because of the awful school system they are in. Just because the top players make it means zilch.
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My point is that nobody can name one. There's a reason for that: They all qualify. The idea that elite talent from Memphis can't get eligible is pure fantasy.
 
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martin98 said:
So not all memphis talent are idiots.
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:whistling: I didn't say "all". "All" means everyone and surely there are one or two, hell, maybe even three or four, who can qualify for some school other the CUSA without help. CUSA=Can U Scholly Award.

But don't get alarmed Memphis may lose the Scholly U designation to Kentucky real soon.
 
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hatvol96 said:
My point is that nobody can name one. There's a reason for that: They all qualify. The idea that elite talent from Memphis can't get eligible is pure fantasy.
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Penny? I know it's going back a little there. :birgits_giggle:
 
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hatvol96 said:
My point is that nobody can name one. There's a reason for that: They all qualify. The idea that elite talent from Memphis can't get eligible is pure fantasy.
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Hat,

I think the kids who "don't qualify" that these folks are speaking of are the leftovers that Memphis, UNC, Duke, Missouri, Arkansas, Seton Hall, Ga. Tech, don't get. You know, the ones UT actually has a shot at.
 
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dickens821 said:
He also went to a private school in a suburb of Memphis.
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This doesn't necessarily mean these kids are geniuses just because they go to a private school in the Memphis area. Remember, there is a private/public split of TSSAA because the privates offer scholarships to athletes. Some of these kids are inner city and struggle to get through.
 
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dickens821 said:
That wasn't the point. The point is the vast majority of athletes from the inner city (or, hell just the city of Memphis) can't get accepted into major universities because of the poor public school system in the city. The argument leans even more in my favor when the ones you mention are from very expensive private schools. But here, I'll help your argument. Dane Bradshaw, Joe Jackson (likely), and JP Prince all had no issues with schools. But of course they go to the one competent public school run by the city.
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Also somewhat of a myth. Both Ridgeway and Whitehaven, yes Whitehaven, had more scholarship $$ awarded to their students than several of the private schools combined.
 
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CALISKING said:
Also somewhat of a myth. Both Ridgeway and Whitehaven, yes Whitehaven, had more scholarship $$ awarded to their students than several of the private schools combined.
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Did it occur to you that 1) Private schools have fewer students, and 2) Many students that attend private schools hardly apply for any scholarships because their college education is taken care of.
 
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Gcrop said:
Penny? I know it's going back a little there. :birgits_giggle:
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True, and he still ended up in school and playing. The idea that there is this vast pool of talent in Memphis that washes out and never plays in college is pure fiction.
 
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dickens821 said:
Did it occur to you that 1) Private schools have fewer students, and 2) Many students that attend private schools hardly apply for any scholarships because their college education is taken care of.
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I was waiting for this. The comparison was made based on total number of students in the private schools in relation to the same number of students at the public schools. So if WSHS had 600 graduates, they took a total (or near total ) of 600 graduates from the top private high schools to compare.

Given today's economy, if you think most private school kids' parents aren't applying for scholarships, you have lost your mind. Let's see, Junior has a 28 ACT and 3.4 but we won't apply for scholarships because we want to drop $70K at UT during the next 4 years.
 
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CALISKING said:
I was waiting for this. The comparison was made based on total number of students in the private schools in relation to the same number of students at the public schools. So if WSHS had 600 graduates, they took a total (or near total ) of 600 graduates from the top private high schools to compare.

Given today's economy, if you think most private school kids' parents aren't applying for scholarships, you have lost your mind. Let's see, Junior has a 28 ACT and 3.4 but we won't apply for scholarships because we want to drop $70K at UT during the next 4 years.
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You're right. I have no idea what private school kids and their parents think. I only went to private school all my life.
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dickens821 said:
You're right. I have no idea what private school kids and their parents think. I only went to private school all my life.
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As did I. As did all of my friends, all of whose kids go to private schools. Your generalization that private school kids don't apply for scholarships because their families have the means to come out of pocket was the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, because Memphis has had such trouble advancing in the NCAA Tournament. Look at all the Elite Eights and Final Fours Tennessee has played in as a result of their rigorous "preparation" received in SEC play.
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I am a UT alumnus and love the vols. I also grew up around Memphis and enjoy their BB team as well. There is no doubt that Memphis has wonderful talent. It is also true that their lack of consistent competition has served them poorly for a number of years. Our success or lack of it in the SEC & the NCAA has nothng to do with what Memphis does. Don't mix apples and oranges.
 
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#49
Pearl will have better success pulling talent out of Atlanta than Memphis. The new Memphis coach will lock down Memphis even more than Cal did. Cal could at least go national. There was a top kid from Memphis when Cal first got the job that Cal wanted. I think he went to Alabama instead.
This new coach wont have the National pull that Cal did but will definately do a better job of locking down Memphis. Stansbury and Kennedy can steal some from time to time too though.
 
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jimmyvol said:
I am a UT alumnus and love the vols. I also grew up around Memphis and enjoy their BB team as well. There is no doubt that Memphis has wonderful talent. It is also true that their lack of consistent competition has served them poorly for a number of years. Our success or lack of it in the SEC & the NCAA has nothng to do with what Memphis does. Don't mix apples and oranges.
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Huh?? Lack of consistent competition? Last 5 years Memphis has played a Top 5-10 OOC schedule and won 70% of those games. Hurt them how? By going to 2 E8, RunnerUp, and Sweet 16 in last 4 years. I could see an argument of " CUSA is weak and this allows Memphis to be fresh for NCAA" before I could see how a weak CUSA hurt them. Remind me how many E8s and S16s UT has gone to in the last 4 years playing in the mighty (SAgarin #6 ) SEC conference.
 
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