Memphis Defensively

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Did their defense do something that we weren’t used to? Or do they just play really good man to man? And don’t allow players get off their screens?
Or did we not cut or do our screen fast/good enough?
 
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Dougie_D said:
Did their defense do something that we weren’t used to? Or do they just play really good man to man? And don’t allow players get off their screens?
Or did we not cut or do our screen fast/good enough?
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I think the key to the game was when Penny doubled Turner full court to get the ball out of his hands.

He did that when we had james, Pons and Bowden all out of the game with 2 fouls but none the less was a hell of a call in the first half
 
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They played good, aggressive man. Defended the curl well. Muscled Bowden so he couldn't come off tight on it. Their big guy did a good job stepping up in the middle on it as well. Needed to hit a few threes to open that set back up, but just weren't hitting them.
 
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I think that Memphis was much longer at nearly every spot. Maybe not the PG, but he had plenty of help if he lost his assignment.

It seemed like TN was passing much more effectively early and Turner was dribbling around much more later.
 
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papatomany said:
They played good, aggressive man. Defended the curl well. Muscled Bowden so he couldn't come off tight on it. Their big guy did a good job stepping up in the middle on it as well. Needed to hit a few threes to open that set back up, but just weren't hitting them.
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It looked like a big part of their game plan was to shut down Bowden and force JJJ, Pons, or a disabled Turner to beat them.
 
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Tennessee could barely hit the floor when dribbling, let alone their shots going in.
TN hits just a couple percentage points higher in their shots, the game isnt close.
 
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We got to see the difference between Bowden and Turner when they don't have players like Williams and Schofield to open things up for them. Memphis defended Bowden quite well, but he still missed some open shots. Turner had some shots as well their 3 for 21 performance is a no win against almost anybody.
 
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We missed a lot of 3's but about 4 where not defended at all and 2 of them were Pons, he had been knocking those down. Sometimes I think your legs get to rested and makes your shot off. 10 days off you need to ease back in with a non Top 25 team get back to playing shape. Nothing like playing games. We will be OK. I still think 20 wins.
 
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Bottom line is 2 or 3 other players have to grow up and grow up quickly and grow into leadership roles and play above their ability.

At times, Turner and Bowden have shown they can do this, but nowhere near consistently. But, certainly can't rely on 2 guys or expect 2 guys to carry the load.

There are definitely identity problems going on. Who knows? Sometimes we feel like this team could win upwards of 30 games and sometimes we feel like maybe they could miss the tournament.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Did their defense do something that we weren’t used to? Or do they just play really good man to man? And don’t allow players get off their screens?
Or did we not cut or do our screen fast/good enough?
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I confess, I was unable to watch the 2nd half, but I saw a lot of open shots missed in the first.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Did their defense do something that we weren’t used to? Or do they just play really good man to man? And don’t allow players get off their screens?
Or did we not cut or do our screen fast/good enough?
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At one point late in the game, Memphis had 18 to’s to our 8. I would be curious how many points we scored off those 18 to’s. When you can’t throw the ball 🏀 in the ocean, you will not win many games.
 
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When you don't have an inside game then you have to hit jumpers. Memphis dared us to go inside and when we did, they would double Fulky who does not handle a double team very well. There will be lots of games like this as we are very streaky with our outside shots. Still don't get how someone like Bowden can play 34 minutes and only get 1 rebound. Where is the effort?
 
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BruinVol said:
I think the key to the game was when Penny doubled Turner full court to get the ball out of his hands.

He did that when we had james, Pons and Bowden all out of the game with 2 fouls but none the less was a hell of a call in the first half
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it says somethin that with 21 seconds we had chance to win
. maybe I'/m delusional, but our defense had been good enough to get a stop
 
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This team must drive the basketball. Fulk is the only player even attempting a drive or get fouled play. We need live at the free throw line on these nights. The full court press bothered them as well, not a lot of time left on the clock once they got settled.
 
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I mean I guess I'll give them some credit but we missed many wide open and makable shots. One series Turner missed a wide open 3, got the rebound and proceeded to miss another wide open 3. He had time to set up and everything. JJJ missed a gimmie dunk. Pons missed the front end of a 1 and 1 that would have tied it up.
 
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One can only imagine how this would have turned out if Wiseman had played. As for Memphis defensively they had far more guards to run at Turner to wear him down. They were prepared game plan wise to take away the Vols strength which is guard play.
 
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Just a horrible shooting day. As good as Pons has been this year, he had a bad game. The lid was on the basket, for both teams. Memphis was better talent wise. We need Uros under the basket and the offense of Vescovi.
 
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SlyStone said:
One can only imagine how this would have turned out if Wiseman had played. As for Memphis defensively they had far more guards to run at Turner to wear him down. They were prepared game plan wise to take away the Vols strength which is guard play.
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And Quionnes. This was not even close to a full strength Memphis team.
 
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papatomany said:
They played good, aggressive man. Defended the curl well. Muscled Bowden so he couldn't come off tight on it. Their big guy did a good job stepping up in the middle on it as well. Needed to hit a few threes to open that set back up, but just weren't hitting them.
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This. I have to say it looked to me like the Memphis players were just a tad more athletic than ours -- quicker, faster, etc. Yes, they played street ball as expected. But their top-to-bottom team athleticism, coupled with the fact that we played our worst game of the year, seemed to me to be the difference. I agree that we beat ourselves but we have to give Memphis credit...they played great defense and helped us shoot the lowest percentage of the Barnes era, for whatever reason. Pons, Turner and Bowden are just not Williams, Bone and Schofield. We need more horses (and they are coming). Fulky, although he had his moments, is not Alexander and was just no match for their bigs in the middle. I was perplexed that Turner, Bowden and Pons didn't drive straight into the paint more when the shots were not falling -- we could have maybe won the game at the foul line and even fouled a couple of their guys out. Also, their bench produced more than our bench; while Memphis went with a base rotation of nine players, Barnes stuck with his base rotation of seven players. This, to me, is clearly a rebuilding year. The bright positives: James and the freshmen we played. The continuing concern to me: we are not going to build much depth, or go very far in Feb.-March, with a base rotation of seven players. Again, a rebuilding year.
 
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