Media Elites Get Taken to task for defending Schiano

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Oh, look! Its a sports journalist offering actual cogent analysis of the volunteer revolution. This reads like a breath of fresh air.

Greg Schiano Lost the Tennessee Football Job, but Don’t Feel Bad - The Ringer

Early Sunday afternoon, word leaked out that the University of Tennessee had reached an agreement with Ohio State defensive coordinator Greg Schiano to become the Volunteer's next head football coach. Over the next several hours, protests of every shape and size rang out around the Tennessee football community, and the school eventually backed out of its agreement to hire the former Rutgers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach, much to the relief of Vols fans and much to the bafflement and indignation of several prominent football writers.

The putative reason for Schiano's unpopularity was a 2015 deposition by Penn State whistleblower Mike McQueary, who testified under oath that he heard that Schiano had witnessed Jerry Sandusky doing something with a boy and done nothing.

There's a lot to unpack in that statement: McQueary was repeating what he claimed fellow Penn State assistant Tom Bradley had told him, not what he'd witnessed firsthand. In fact, McQueary and Schiano never coached together. There's a worthwhile conversation about what Schiano's moral and legal obligations would be in that situation, whether there's a difference between the two, and what it means to prospective employers that the alleged incident took place more than 20 years ago. It's also worth considering the compelling but not necessarily exculpatory circumstances that would have surrounded a young coach like Schiano, trying to make his way in an organization that, in the years that followed, could not have more clearly placed football outside the reach of morality, legality, or public safety.

But that's not the conversation we're having. Bleacher Report's Matt Miller called McQueary's allegation a lie. Dan Wolken of USA Today called it a false narrative. And maybe it is. Maybe Schiano is telling the truth and McQueary lied under oath to smear him for some unexplained reason. Or maybe it's something less sinister, maybe something got garbled or misremembered in the game of telephone from Schiano to Bradley to McQueary to the deposition.

Either way, the outrage over Schiano's presumptive hiring is far from an abject tire fire lynch mob fiasco debacle, as Yahoo's Pat Forde called it. Forde's colleague Dan Wetzel noted that McQueary's accusation was uncorroborated though not necessarily false but also used the phrase a "lynch-mob," which feels at best ignorant, considering the very specific and higher-stakes historical origins of the term.

Even if Schiano came out of his time working for Sandusky without a blemish on his conscience, painting Tennessee fans as hysterical and bloodthirsty --as if Schiano lost his life, not just a job-- undercuts the very real consideration that Vols fans and boosters, who are still grappling with the fallout from revelations of systemic sexual assault in their own athletic department, might not want to cheer for a team led by someone tarnished, unfairly or not, by his association with Sandusky. It's not too much to ask for in light of a decade whose single greatest unifying narrative is the lengths to which people in power will tolerate, excuse, or cover up sexual assault and violence in order to win college football games.

The most baffling part of this whole story is that Volunteers fans and boosters weren't applauded for taking that stand with such force that they demanded --and achieved-- real change in a single afternoon. Instead, a persistent bully like Schiano, whose inflexibility and stubbornness as coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers cost him the Bucs locker room, is getting treated like the victim, as the leading voices in football journalism uncritically throw in their lots with Joe Paterno truthers.

But for the sake of argument, let's say the outrage over Schiano isn't really about what he might have witnessed as a Penn State assistant more than 20 years ago. Let's say Tennessee fans, as their less charitable critics allege, are mad about his record as a coach. Schiano, for all the talk about how he won at Rutgers, never won a Big East title even after it was decimated by realignment and finished in the top 25 just once. Going one game over .500 in 11 years at Rutgers, as Schiano did, looks like a feat of program-building, but the foundation he established didn't lead to sustained success, or even competence, once Rutgers moved to the Big Ten. The program has won 10 games over the past three seasons combined. Plus, it's not like things have gone much better for Schiano since, who was a conspicuous embarrassment during his ill-fated NFL tenure.

And Tennessee fans know a thing or two about conspicuous embarrassments. The Peyton Manning era and the 1999 BCS title are within living memory, but the Vols are just one game over .500 since Phil Fulmer was ousted after the 2008 season, and each head football coach since Fulmer --Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones-- has been embarrassing in his own way. Over the past decade, Tennessee athletics has slid into irrelevance not just in football, but also in baseball and men's basketball. Even if there were no rape cover-up allegations, to begin with, why shouldn't Tennessee fans be upset that Fulmer won 10 games more recently than their new coach? What benefit of the doubt does Schiano, or athletic director John Currie, deserve at this point? What possible social capital can they cash in with a fan base that has every right to be outraged?

What happened at Tennessee is unsettling because it upsets the established order of power. From politicians to boosters to anonymous protesters armed with nothing but a can of Krylon, Volunteer fans stood up and demanded better from those who serve them. And no matter how much college football programs are run like a benign dictatorship, with money and power always seeming to flow up the food chain, Currie and his underlings serve the fans, or at least they ought to. Fans don't owe the school steadfast obedience. They, as people with a stake in the team's success or failure, and who tie themselves to some extent to the team's reputation, have a right to demand certain things from their institutions, and the swiftness with which Currie capitulated ought to serve as a lesson that reverberates outside the football world: Sometimes you have to demand things from people in power.

In a society that venerates power for power's sake, ranging from football coaches self-appointed roles as community leaders to our confusing predilection to treat elected officials as elites and not employees, it's jarring to see Tennessee reverse course over nothing but a day's sustained public pressure. It calls to mind another word that popped up on Wolken's and Miller's Twitter feeds in the aftermath of Schiano's ouster:

"Scary"

We should all hope that it is.
 
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Tennessee has been a convenient punching bag for the Herbstreit's and Finebaum's of the world for over a decade now and they knew that would continue with another out of place, defense first, old school douche like Schiano.

If the hire had gone through, they would have trotted out his .500 record, all the stories from Tampa, and pointed out Penn St situation and slammed the Vols that way for hiring the defensive version of Butch Jones.


As a side note, Booger McFarland can GTFH for asking " who the hell does TN think they are" yesterday in regards to turning down Schiano.
 
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As a side note, Booger McFarland can GTFH for asking " who the hell does TN think they are" yesterday in regards to turning down Schiano.

EXACTLY. In what world is he good enough to be a head coach in the SEC? Any school in the SEC can, and will, do better than that verifiable a-hole.
 
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Sounds like everyone working for the Mouse had their marching orders. They don't want anything messing with college football and resurrecting memories of the PSU scandal.
 
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Bogger: "Who the hell does Tennessee think they are?"


We're Tennessee a**hole. We are one of the most storied programs in CFB. We have one of the largest stadiums in CFB.

We have legions of loyal fans that bleed orange.

Our football program makes more money than even Bama.

We are a premiere job and we will never apologize for our passion.

We have been the punching bag of sports writers ever since Bama landed Saban. Bama was in our spot as a the laughing stock but look at them now.
 
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Tennessee has been a convenient punching bag for the Herbstreit's and Finebaum's of the world for over a decade now and they knew that would continue with another out of place, defense first, old school douche like Schiano.

If the hire had gone through, they would have trotted out his .500 record, all the stories from Tampa, and pointed out Penn St situation and slammed the Vols that way for hiring the defensive version of Butch Jones.


As a side note, Booger McFarland can GTFH for asking " who the hell does TN think they are" yesterday in regards to turning down Schiano.

Booger and the talking heads at ESPN, the SECN and the rest of the sports reporters out there can suck it.

They're paid to give their opinions, but their opinions only matter if you give a **** what they have to say in the first place and in answer to Booger's question, we're the die hard fans of the University of TENNESSEE and we're tired of putting up with third rate coaches that are long on promises and short on results.
 
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Had to laugh this morning as Golic and Wango spoke about how Tennessee was turned down by Whitten. How does the producer of their stupid show allow this crap to be mentioned when there is no investigative evidence to this silly rumor? I mean, Currie is a moron beyond epic proportion but does ESPN think that he flew to Dallas w/Bev last night and offered an NFL football player with NO coaching experience a HC job in the SEC?

I am no longer frustrated, upset or mad but rather am totally entertained by these bafoons on ESPN as every syllable they utter is either really fake news, an outright lie or, material that SNL could use to make their show funny again.
 
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and each head football coach since fulmer --lane kiffin, derek dooley, and butch jones-- has been embarrassing in his own way. Over the past decade, tennessee athletics has slid into irrelevance not just in football, but also in baseball and men's basketball. Even if there were no rape cover-up allegations, to begin with, why shouldn't tennessee fans be upset that fulmer won 10 games more recently than their new coach? What benefit of the doubt does schiano, or athletic director john currie, deserve at this point? What possible social capital can they cash in with a fan base that has every right to be outraged?
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I still don't get why folks take 'ol Snot McFarland seriously.

Hard not to get a little riled up when an a**hole sits on national tv talking about the collective of Vol Nation like we don't deserve a good coach.

I generally make it a point to not watch Pawwl or Booger or the rest but caught when I was trying to see if there was anything new on Schiano.
 
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What?? What Booger asked this ?? Is that a quote?


"He’s coached the Tamp Bay Buccaneers, a professional organization. So many people have vouched for Greg Schiano. Now all of a sudden Tennessee is too holy that they don’t want Greg Schiano? Who the hell does Tennessee think they are right now? I think they’re delusional. I think they’re ultimately going to pay the price for it.”


I'm not about to provide a link and drive any traffic his way.

You can Google it easy enough if you want.
 
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Booger would have led the charge to keep Shiano out of Baton Rouge,he knows it, and so does everyone else.
yep. easy and lazy narrative to push those 'crazy TN fans in Knoxville'.

knowing full well, had it gone thru, the first criticism would be bringing up his time at PSU, given our recent history with the title IX lawsuit. and then they would have railed on us for hiriing the exact same guy we just fired, and was awful at TB....there's so many reasons that hire was dumb.
 
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Great article. It blows me away listening to these talking heads spew their crap. It sounds like we were supposed to accept this garbage of a coach and just like it.
 
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Great article and thanks for posting.

Here's the money quote:

What happened at Tennessee is unsettling because it upsets the established order of power.

That is precisely why this is so unsettling to some people.
The fact that the peasants (in their minds.) revolted against the established order and actually brought about a change.
 
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Tennessee has been a convenient punching bag for the Herbstreit's and Finebaum's of the world for over a decade now and they knew that would continue with another out of place, defense first, old school douche like Schiano.

If the hire had gone through, they would have trotted out his .500 record, all the stories from Tampa, and pointed out Penn St situation and slammed the Vols that way for hiring the defensive version of Butch Jones.


As a side note, Booger McFarland can GTFH for asking " who the hell does TN think they are" yesterday in regards to turning down Schiano.

One of the problems is... it seems that everyone not from "The Three Great States of Tennessee" thinks we are all just a bunch of uneducated, inbred, dirty hillbillies. Well, I'm very proud to be from the hills of SE Tennessee, but 1) I take a bath at least once every six months whether I need one or not, 2) I married a lady from Cincinnati, so we're not inbred, 3) I have a bachelors degree and three masters degrees (2 from Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary and an M.Ed from William Carey Univ.), so I don't think I fit in the uneducated category. Think of all the Tennessee folks who have bachelors, masters, and doctorates! And consider this, a person does not have to have a degree at all to be intelligent! But the mainstream media wanted to paint the picture that "the hicks of Tennessee ruined the chances of the Vols getting a decent coach by their flaming protests against the wonderful guy at OSU - Greg Schiano." Boo Hoo.

Point is, we were told by Currie that he was going to get us a good coach, we deserve a good coach, we should expect a good coach... not the Currie/Haslam buddy he was going to push down our throats by his smoke-and-mirror deceptions. Way to go Volnation! Keep the pressure on and make them do the job right this time.

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A lot of us were wondering what the media would look like if we landed gruden

Not with the fiasco on Sunday when we almost hired Shiano...and then got bashed by the media as a fan base for turning him away and down....I can’t wait if we land Gundy. lol
 
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One of the problems is... it seems that everyone not from "The Three Great States of Tennessee" thinks we are all just a bunch of uneducated, inbred, dirty hillbillies. Well, I'm very proud to be from the hills of SE Tennessee, but 1) I take a bath at least once every six months whether I need one or not, 2) I married a lady from Cincinnati, so we're not inbred, 3) I have a bachelors degree and three masters degrees (2 from Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary and an M.Ed from William Carey Univ.), so I don't think I fit in the uneducated category. Think of all the Tennessee folks who have bachelors, masters, and doctorates! And consider this, a person does not have to have a degree at all to be intelligent! But the mainstream media wanted to paint the picture that "the hicks of Tennessee ruined the chances of the Vols getting a decent coach by their flaming protests against the wonderful guy at OSU - Greg Schiano." Boo Hoo.

Point is, we were told by Currie that he was going to get us a good coach, we deserve a good coach, we should expect a good coach... not the Currie/Haslam buddy he was going to push down our throats by his smoke-and-mirror deceptions. Way to go Volnation! Keep the pressure on and make them do the job right this time.

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One of the true ironies of this whole situation is the UT fan base and administration is being taken to task for being small minded and expecting too much by a grown man who willingly goes by the name Booger.

Kudos on your degrees and nuptials. I'd suggest a few more baths however lol.
 
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He lost me at 99 BCS title? we won the 98 title FSU won the 99 title.

another interesting tidbit

Vols fans and boosters, who are still grappling with the fallout from revelations of systemic sexual assault in their own athletic department, might not want to cheer for a team led by someone tarnished, unfairly or not, by his association with Sandusky.

At no point in time during this has that come up because there were not revelations there were a bunch of ambulance chasers looking for a payday.

The article was clickbait plain and simple from a guy throwing together half facts to feed a base ripe for such words.

The whole Schiano crapfest was just that on both sides. We as fans crossed a line that can never be uncrossed and Currie made a huge mistake in not being more transparent in his search and choices. Schiano was a risky proposition for anyone as a head coach, a tough pill to swallow. It was a dumb move by Currie but, I honestly think, a dumber move made sunday by fans.

Precedent has been set and social media can make coaching choices now. Worst case scenario for College football and College sports in general.
 
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