McElroy laid it down on Hurd

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jtupnsmoke said:
He was ready to transfer after last season. Butch says he didn't promise any I-formation to him...I don't think I believe him.
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There were some I-formation plays this year, and he still did not produce. He produced well in the first 2 years. Everyone is perplexed by the desire to change positions....what will that accomplish? TE do have a productive long life in the NFL, but those are elite TE's. Physically, he can be successful because he likes to block. We will see.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Don't know if jones is to blame man. The kid isnt going to another school bc he's tired of running zone read. He's quitting to play another position. He will prolly transfer to play in a spread system but will just play te instead of rb. How's that jones fault? Why didnt Hurd just ask to move to te?
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In his defense, our TE's are soft as tissue paper. We don't have a qb that can throw the ball without getting the guys killed, so yeah.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
But Steve Spurrier leaving South Carolina mid-season...now THAT guy is a quitter. :thumbsup:
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I agree, I lost any respect for Spurrier I had when he did it to USCjr, absolute quitter. Spurrier's was worse as his legacy was much larger and he threw it away. Many are forgiving Spurrier due to his age, but people as a rule much like traitors even if they do it for your side, have zero respect for quitters.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
In his defense, our TE's are soft as tissue paper. We don't have a qb that can throw the ball without getting the guys killed, so yeah.
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Then let him play te for us so he can toughen them up. I'm just confused on how fans are ok with a player quitting. That's the last thing a team or fan base should give a pass on. That means you weren't giving the effort to win. How are we ok with that?

Maybe if he had played hard vs sc then aimes doesn't cause Dobbs to fumble. We may have won the game just on hurd playing and not causing a fumble.
 
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It's fine if no one believes me, because after all it is the internet, but when I was nine, Hurd and I were on the same football team in Goodletsville.

Even as a thrid grader, I knew he was a special talent. It seriously seemed like he scored everytime he touched the ball.

However, I do recall a couple of times when plays didn't go great and he would be pissed. It's good to be pissed, but he was even kind of "all me" back then.

I never saw him personally after that season, but I suppose it's not crazy an attitude like that stayed with somebody.
 
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If everyone was happy with our coach, he'd be universally deemed a quitter. Because of our dissatisfaction with CBJ that allows many to excuse JH. Walk out on your team halfway through season = quitter.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
There were some I-formation plays this year, and he still did not produce. He produced well in the first 2 years. Everyone is perplexed by the desire to change positions....what will that accomplish? TE do have a productive long life in the NFL, but those are elite TE's. Physically, he can be successful because he likes to block. We will see.
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The change will get him hit less. I think that blindside at GA changed him. He didn't like the hit and he didn't appear to like that the coaches chewed on him for not seeing the hit coming. He might be fearing for his career longevity.

If he had told Butch he wanted to be a tight end, I think Butch might have said, nope, I got tight end projects, I need you as a running back. He did catch some balls from RB and I think H back iirc

All speculation on my part.
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
He's speaking like I would expect an outsider to speak. Says he's quitting because of the last 3 games. If you've followed this situation for longer than a week, you'd know this has been brewing for a very long time. Hurd might be known as a quitter to the outside world, but a lot of Vol fans won't remember him that way.
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The only thing that has been brewing is Jalen's me first attitude and a coach butting heads. That is not an excuse to give up on your teammates simply because you believe you deserve preferential treatment. You play for your teammates, not the coach plain and simple.
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
He's speaking like I would expect an outsider to speak. Says he's quitting because of the last 3 games. If you've followed this situation for longer than a week, you'd know this has been brewing for a very long time. Hurd might be known as a quitter to the outside world, but a lot of Vol fans won't remember him that way.
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then a lot of Vol fans are wrong.....
what else do you call a guy that bails on a team in Oct with 4 games left and bowl...
what???
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
He was ready to transfer after last season. Butch says he didn't promise any I-formation to him...I don't think I believe him.
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The offense Butch runs is his offense, I don't see him changing it for anybody, especially not for 1 player.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Then let him play te for us so he can toughen them up. I'm just confused on how fans are ok with a player quitting. That's the last thing a team or fan base should give a pass on. That means you weren't giving the effort to win. How are we ok with that?

Maybe if he had played hard vs sc then aimes doesn't cause Dobbs to fumble. We may have won the game just on hurd playing and not causing a fumble.
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Dobbs had one more interception in him.
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
You might remember him as a quitter. I don't see it that way and I'm sure others won't either. I wish he would have stuck it out, but am not angry with the guy that he quit. I'm more angry at our head coach that has failed the team and all of Volnation by letting things get to this point.
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How is he anything but a quitter?

Look, do I believe he's been frustrated and the staff told him they'd make some changes in order to keep him? I certainly do.

Do I believe he feels he's been wronged in some way? Yes.

But you DO NOT quit on your teammates, school, coaches, and fans, in the middle of a season. That is a no character move and he is, in fact, a QUITTER.
 
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SCSmokey said:
If everyone was happy with our coach, he'd be universally deemed a quitter. Because of our dissatisfaction with CBJ that allows many to excuse JH. Walk out on your team halfway through season = quitter.
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Agreed and I am absolutely no fan of Jones. There is no excuse, short of health or family issue, to quit the way he has.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
The change will get him hit less. I think that blindside at GA changed him. He didn't like the hit and he didn't appear to like that the coaches chewed on him for not seeing the hit coming. He might be fearing for his career longevity.

If he had told Butch he wanted to be a tight end, I think Butch might have said, nope, I got tight end projects, I need you as a running back. He did catch some balls from RB and I think H back iirc

All speculation on my part.
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I agree with what you said. That hit was a jacked up hit. Did the coaches chew him out for not seeing the hit or trotting into the end zone. I guarantee you that if was running and not jogging towards the end zone, that hit never happens. He was half assing it and got jacked up, but that is part of football. Football is a contact sport. If he doesn't want to get hit, he may need to play kicker.
 
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7maxims said:
I will remember him as the guy dragging several Gator defenders. Its obvious Lying Lyle mislead him just like the BS he spews at every Monday presser.
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And how do you know Coach Jones lied to him? Were you in the room when all this went down?

Oh you must have read the post from his "uncle" about all these promises. Lets be real here, if they didn't practice any form of I Formation during the spring and summer camps, what would lead Hurd to believe that they would run it during games?

I mean they did try and run it against Appy State, didn't seem to work, so go back to what was working. Must have been an ok scheme for Hurd to be able to rush for over 1200 yards last year. With what was considered a weaker line than this year.

No coach in his right mind is ever going to change his entire offensive philosophy for one player, save it be a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning type player, and sorry to break it to people, Hurd is not that kind of player.
 
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butchna said:
Dobbs had one more interception in him.
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Would have liked to found that out. Instead hurd watched us fumble from the old sideline. The same sideline where he asked to remain because he was done. Can't blame debord when you have no idea your starting rb was going to quit. Silly to dedend him like some doom and gloomers are.
 
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The problem goes back to parenting if you ask me. I have a child that through her life she has played many team sports. I have seen kids sign up start a team sport and halfway through they want to quit for many different reason and the parents let them in some cases they encourages them out of there own convenience. But as for me and my kid if she signs up for something she will finish it. This shows her two thing one before you commit to something think it through and once you do commit finish it. Sometime your word to do something is all you have.
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
He was ready to transfer after last season. Butch says he didn't promise any I-formation to him...I don't think I believe him.
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We ran the offset I formation against Bama, Hurd was the lead blocker and Kamara picked up 13 yards. Funny thing is that in the I, Hurd is the bigger back so he'll always be blocking unless it is a misdirection play. We saw what the I formation did against Bama last year when they played LSU. Hurd rushed for more yards than Fournette did against them using our running scheme.

Here's another fun fact: most NFL teams don't use the I formation anymore since the FB has been replaced by another WR.
 
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