Maybe we need to face some facts.

[BeardedVol]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

No.

If John Currie really, and truly believed that Greg Schiano was the right coach for Tennessee, then he should have gone to bat for him. Should have had a press conference stating that he believed that Greg Shiano's statement that he knew nothing of Jerry Sandusky's raping children at Penn State, and moved forward with the hire. If Bev Davenport came to him and told him to kill the deal, he could have stood up to her as AD, and stood by his hiring of Greg Shiano, and staked his job on that decision, as he was hied as the Athletic Director, to make these decisions, and he had chosen the only candidate he felt comfortable chooosing.

He did not do this though, he abandoned his decision, because he never had any faith in it; he was told to offer Greg Schiano, and he did the bidding of another without a seconds notice, and only after the near-universal outrage in the State and the fanbase, he abandoned that decision and Schiano.

Since doing so, Currie has been in self-preservation mode, and is making poor decisions because his primary focus is not finding the best coach for Tennessee, it's in preserving his current job, and protecting his future job prospects. Regardless of the hire he makes, Currie won't be here to see it through, he'll leave before it implodes so as to not be tainted by his poor choice of coaches.

So no, this debacle is not on the fans, this is 100% on John Currie and the fools that hired him.

 

[secfanclub]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

Good post. We the fans, need to realize our actions and reactions have positive and negative influence over our football program. Over the years, I have seen many derogatory posts directed at our coaches, players, and at fellow fans. If we expect our football program to come together, we the fans need to come together as one. Tennessee's fan base is the best in the country, second to none. However, some fans go way beyond the call to duty by attacking each other because someone has a different opinion. It's okay to disagree, but when it develops into personal attacks with name calling, it only hurts our common cause. We all want the same thing for our Vols to win and be a successful program. We have an urgent need to fill the head coaching position. We all have our personal choice(s) for a head coach. At some point, we will all need to compromise and come to a mutual understanding to support whoever the coach will be or make the decision to find another team to support. I have my personal choices for a head coach, but I am only one vote. I want the best coach available to take the Tennessee job, but there are many forces that are negatively influencing the choices including those who are doing the choosing. We need "the powers that be" to take accountability for choosing the right person as the head coach. At the same time, we the fans need to come together and show solidarity as a fan base. This is a difficult time for everyone especially the fans, but we can help the situation by coming together and working together for the success of our Vols.

 

[VFL_JB]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

Stop. Just stop. It's not your fault. It's not my fault. This falls on no one but those responsible for the hire. I realize that you are going over and over in your mind trying to find answers to how things got so bad but this is not on the fans. Not even a little bit. We are UT and regardless of how good the team has been over the past decade, it doesn't change our history before that, our tradition, and the expectations of the fanbase. Stop blaming yourself and the rest of us.

 

[Hubbard]

McQueary accused him of knowing. And that's the issue. There are no facts. If you knew for a fact he was innocent, then I get. But you don't

Throughout an extensive investigation, never once was Schiano considered an eyewitness nor a suspect of any wrong doing. Thus, dismissing any credibility of the third party hearsay.

However, ignoring all of that, you believe that a public outcry to tarnish a man is justified so that you can express frustration with a college administration.

Ironically, it takes a real lack of wisdom and morals to do such a thing.

 

[Volfan76]

How exactly is it the fans fault? Buying tickets and apparel and filling up stadiums through 15 years of mediocrity is about all you can ask of a fan base. This is 100% on the administration and the people they have decided to go to bed with.

 

[felloffthetrain]

It's not poor behavior. It's actually using our power as the end user... The CONSUMER to demand the product that we invest in. Because you have too much of a loser mentality to realize the fans have the power isn't my problem.

Don't waste your time. On his high horse. While UT has become the laughing stock of the country by how they play, and how their fanbase stood up and voiced their displeasure about sh*tty coaches, they are griping about it.

 

[jakez4ut]

That is not the point. The point is how it was done - it was done by attacking the character of the man and attacking his family and children.

If you don't think that has played a part in this search, I don't know what to tell you.

This fan base has shown that if they don't like someone they are going to make fools of that person by

- Making signs
- Disrupting other events at UT by acting foolish
- Painting the rock with their hate

This is BULLYING. This is HATE. It is not right.

I am ashamed to call myself a Vol fan right now. I am ashamed to wear orange.

And it has all to do with the idiots in this fan base.

edit...never mind.

not worth it. won't make a difference....not sure why we should care at this point.......

 

[volfan102455]

You really want to be Vanderbilt.

You really want to be a school that whines and protests about every little thing. You really want to be in the media looking like immature bullies who run good people out of town.

There is a right way to do things. The national media that is blasting this fan base is right. Folks are completely out of control.

 

[anthorain]

I suppose we as fans should just fall in line and not have an opinion about a coach, all while shelling out our cash for games/merch/boosting like mindless sheep.

Cause hey, we have no right to dislike a poor decision made by incompetent staff because they know better than we do right?

.....You do realize how idiotic that sounds right?

 

[BIG BOI 23]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

While you can surely argue Fulmer was fired a year too soon and I say that only cuz I’m pretty sure he was was in the sec title game the year before he was fired and got his team to play well 07 I think but I’m not 100% on that

But I don’t think that has much to do with what’s happening now

What I do wonder is how much the schiano thing bothered other coaches and maybe has them weary

And I don’t just mean the fans I mean the people put top they are more to blame then anything for that mess

Whether it was trying to hire him in first place

Or the AD giving into the fans

Or if schiano is really well respected and other coaches just didn’t like seeing his reputation **** on and him being burned like that over he say she say

 

[volfan102455]

This is the same fan base and the same folks on twitter that ridiculed and bashed Missouri for protesting a few years ago. Oh the irony ... you reap what you sow.

 

[Hubbard]

It's not poor behavior. It's actually using our power as the end user... The CONSUMER to demand the product that we invest in. Because you have too much of a loser mentality to realize the fans have the power isn't my problem.

If fans have the power, why are we in this mess and have been for so long?

You should be the first to be fired.

The loser mentality is believing that calling everyone, who does have power, should be fired really entices a great coach to come here.

Your sales pitch is: "We are run by bunch of idiots, come join us."

There are troubles at the top, no doubt, however you are accountable for how you use your power.

If you want them to consider you powerful, stop spending the money and stop acting like a child in revolt.

 

[Hubbard]

How exactly is it the fans fault? Buying tickets and apparel and filling up stadiums through 15 years of mediocrity is about all you can ask of a fan base. This is 100% on the administration and the people they have decided to go to bed with.

You should have learned through all of those years that they do not listen to your voice. How long does it take to realize that?

Stop paying, thus accepting, mediocrity and they will listen.

 

[Arclight]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

Haslam water-boy

 

[anthorain]

Stop paying, thus accepting, mediocrity and they will listen.

What do you think the voice of the fans has done? It may not have reached Crackpipe Currie, but it did reach the boosters. Boosters who are smart enough to know that without fans to fill a stadium, their money is utterly wasted.

 

[BeardedVol]

You really want to be a school that whines and protests about every little thing. You really want to be in the media looking like immature bullies who run good people out of town.

There is a right way to do things. The national media that is blasting this fan base is right. Folks are completely out of control.

After suffering through the hiring of Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones, yeah, I am going to speak up when I see the Athletic Department making stupid decisions.

Let me know which "good person" got ran out of town, and I'll go and apologize to them personally.

 

[JettVol]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

You give us too much credit, and the men that make millions of dollars, and run our university usually don't listen to all the outside noise especially that from FB and Twitter.

 

[1974Vol]

The problem is not the fans, its the administration. It will never happen but at this point the best thing that could happen is for the University to fire Currie and Davenport give Hoke next year as interim coach with the current staff. Then go find a Chancellor and AD who understand like Andy Holt did that the "front porch" of the University of Tennessee is the football team. AFTER we have a UTK Chancellor and an AD that get it, let them hire a football coach. Got to fix this top down, but as I said it won't happen so we'll get a Google coach who won't get to a bowl game for 3-5 years and we'll be back to 2008 all over again. Welcome to the Vol Nation version of Ground Hog Day.

 

[CNCVol88]

If fans have the power, why are we in this mess and have been for so long?

You should be the first to be fired.

The loser mentality is believing that calling everyone, who does have power, should be fired really entices a great coach to come here.

Your sales pitch is: "We are run by bunch of idiots, come join us."

There are troubles at the top, no doubt, however you are accountable for how you use your power.

If you want them to consider you powerful, stop spending the money and stop acting like a child in revolt.

Simple... Fans like you who take whatever tripe Jimmy haslam sends our way. The "WE GOTTA SUPPORT DA BOYZ!" crowd who will continue to fill the coffers of an athletic department who doesn't give two flying ****s about you because you will continue to give them your hard earned cash no matter how pathetic the product that the abortion they call a coach produces and then the players suffer because you are either too misguided or too stupid to put your foot down and say enough is enough. I demand excellence or I will not give you another dime.

One customer won't even make a ripple but enough and you have a tsunami.

 

[JettVol]

If fans have the power, why are we in this mess and have been for so long?

You should be the first to be fired.

The loser mentality is believing that calling everyone, who does have power, should be fired really entices a great coach to come here.

Your sales pitch is: "We are run by bunch of idiots, come join us."

There are troubles at the top, no doubt, however you are accountable for how you use your power.

If you want them to consider you powerful, stop spending the money and stop acting like a child in revolt.

Its not a child in revolt. Question, do you go to the movies? Would you pay money to see a bad movie? Tennessee is sort of like this. The movie is a bad one 4-8, yet the fans (movie goers) keep filling the theater every Saturday. The only way we the fans can show the theater owners that we want the movie changed is to not go to the theater.

It is how you can deal with every big corporation. Start making changes in your spending habits and either the corporation will change or cease to exist. Yes if enough fans stopped going to the stadium, bowl games, watching them on TV (ratings) Tennessee would have no choice other than to completely change how it is being run.

The bad part is, it will get worse before it gets better.

 

[MarylandVolunteer]

It's time to give Fulmer back the keys to the program for a few years. Bill Snyder returned to KSU at age 70. Otherwise take the gamble on Tee and let's see what he can do. Dave Doeren makes no sense at all.

 

[VolNavy01]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

I disagree. Complete ineptitude from the powers that be have created this mess. Fulmer had reached the point in his career where it was time to move on. No different than Bowden, Brown, Carr, etc. The difference is how we handled our replacement of Fulmer. Kiffin, at the time was an interesting hire. It looked like it had some promise, but the contract he had, buyout wise, was silly. Then it was all down hill from there. Each time we have a coaching search, this fan base hopes the admin will do the right thing. Find a proven winner. Do whatever it takes to prove you are serious about football(and winning). Bama did it and so did other schools. The fan base is worn down. You have a program with all the tools to be great. The only missing piece is the coach. It seems every time we fire a coach there is no plan. They always seem to be caught off guard. And if Schiano was their grand plan, Lord have mercy on this fan base.

 

[#1ManningFan]

Tell that to Penn State and Miami!!

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

This isn't going to be received well. Most of us don't want to hear it, much less believe it. If we really take that long, hard look in the mirror, though, deep down we'll know it's the truth.

Tennessee is tarnished and we, the fans, are PART of the problem.

We demanded that a Hall of Fame coach with 100 more wins than losses, multiple SEC championship and a national title be fired. We ran a guy out of town who pulled us out of the gutter, led us to back to back 9 win seasons and three straight bowl wins. We rioted to block the hire of a coach who built a program from basically nothing, taking it to multiple bowl wins.

Of course Dave Doeren is the best we can get now. No big name coach wants to come near this job. Would you want to bring yourself and your family into that kind of environment? I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when there are other places offering similar jobs without that toxicity.

Tennessee is tarnished. It's toxic. The athletic department shares some blame. The boosters share some blame. We, the fans, have to accept our share of it too.

Funny, the Alabama fan base is infamous for acting in much the same way. At least they're at the bottom of the barrel with us. Oh wait!

 

[Orange Death]

I don't trust anybody that blames fans

All fans are the same. Blaming fans is a red herring.

The true problem is lack of leadership.

The mob will always be the mob. Hasn't changed in since the Coliseum. Can't manage it? GTFO you're not the leader for the job.