Maybe We Like a Dictator

[Sandman 423]

Holy crap. Nearly half of those voting actually want to have a dictator.

Absolute insanity.

Life in a dictatorship is characterized by the absence of fundamental freedoms, including restrictions on information and expression, and a lack of political power for citizens. Dictatorships often feature corruption, which siphons funds away from public services, leading to widespread inequality and poor infrastructure for the majority of the population. Stability is maintained through coercion and repression of opposition, often enforced by secret police and military forces, creating an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness.

Suppression of Freedoms and Rights:

• No Political Freedom. Dictatorships eliminate the right to vote and participate in free and fair elections, making it impossible for citizens to change leadership or policies.
• Control of Information:All forms of communication and media are controlled by the state to prevent the spread of dissenting views and maintain the dictator's narrative.
• Punishment for Critics:Anyone who criticizes or opposes the regime faces severe consequences, including imprisonment or worse.

Social and Economic Impacts:

• Widespread Corruption:Resources are often diverted to enrich the ruling elite, leading to neglected public services and decaying infrastructure like roads and electricity for the general population.
• Extreme Inequality dictatorial regimes create and enforce extreme forms of social inequality, with a privileged few benefiting while the majority suffers.
• Lack of Social Stability:While a dictatorship may appear stable, this stability is built on repression and coercion rather than genuine consensus.
• Brain Drain and Hopelessness:Talented and educated citizens often flee the country to escape the lack of opportunity and repression, leading to a significant loss of skilled workers.

Methods of Control:

• Coercion and Violence Political opposition is tracked and suppressed through violence and intimidation.
• Ideology and Control Dictatorial regimes often impose a specific ideology, controlling not only public but also private lives, as seen in totalitarian systems.
• Secret Police Disciplined party structures and brutal secret police forces are used to enforce the dictator's rule and monitor citizens

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Dude, Your being messed with.

 

[appvol]

Holy crap. Nearly half of those voting actually want to have a dictator.

Absolute insanity.

Life in a dictatorship is characterized by the absence of fundamental freedoms, including restrictions on information and expression, and a lack of political power for citizens. Dictatorships often feature corruption, which siphons funds away from public services, leading to widespread inequality and poor infrastructure for the majority of the population. Stability is maintained through coercion and repression of opposition, often enforced by secret police and military forces, creating an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness.

Suppression of Freedoms and Rights:

• No Political Freedom. Dictatorships eliminate the right to vote and participate in free and fair elections, making it impossible for citizens to change leadership or policies.
• Control of Information:All forms of communication and media are controlled by the state to prevent the spread of dissenting views and maintain the dictator's narrative.
• Punishment for Critics:Anyone who criticizes or opposes the regime faces severe consequences, including imprisonment or worse.

Social and Economic Impacts:

• Widespread Corruption:Resources are often diverted to enrich the ruling elite, leading to neglected public services and decaying infrastructure like roads and electricity for the general population.
• Extreme Inequality dictatorial regimes create and enforce extreme forms of social inequality, with a privileged few benefiting while the majority suffers.
• Lack of Social Stability:While a dictatorship may appear stable, this stability is built on repression and coercion rather than genuine consensus.
• Brain Drain and Hopelessness:Talented and educated citizens often flee the country to escape the lack of opportunity and repression, leading to a significant loss of skilled workers.

Methods of Control:

• Coercion and Violence Political opposition is tracked and suppressed through violence and intimidation.
• Ideology and Control Dictatorial regimes often impose a specific ideology, controlling not only public but also private lives, as seen in totalitarian systems.
• Secret Police Disciplined party structures and brutal secret police forces are used to enforce the dictator's rule and monitor citizens

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You also just described what the last 4 years were like under the last Administration.

The Twitter files and what social media suppressed
The Democrat gerrymandering over the years.
Democrats weaponnized lawfare against a political opponent

If you read the criteria for what you think a dictatorship is Democrats try to do all that to the American people. The Liberal Elitist especially the wealthy don’t want better for the American citizen. That’s why the blue collar worker is leaving the party. It took the last Administration to really show what the Democrat party is about now

 

[McDad]

Can we agree the 10th is meant to strengthen our federalism model and prevent tyranny from the federal government against the will of states,

absolutely and unequivocally.

just like in cases such as this?

not so fast my friend.

I had not looked at the NG being deployed domestically until they were sent to LA. The powers shared by the president and governors of states wrt to the NG are not black and white. Well, that's not accurate...some are well defined and others are not. As an example: sending the NG to a state or city is not unconstitutional; sending them to act as law enforcers is. If the NG is sent to support federal agencies, that is within the purview of El Presidente.

 

[McDad]

Should federalism hinge entirely on whether your state's top official has a D or an R next to their name? Sure seems like Trump acolytes think so.

I wish it were that way. But am less partisan than you. Separating the politician from politics is not something I have ever witnessed. I am only a few years younger than you. I doubt we will ever elect a "statesman/woman" who doesn't act politically.

 

[OHvol40]

absolutely and unequivocally.

not so fast my friend.

I had not looked at the NG being deployed domestically until they were sent to LA. The powers shared by the president and governors of states wrt to the NG are not black and white. Well, that's not accurate...some are well defined and others are not. As an example: sending the NG to a state or city is not unconstitutional; sending them to act as law enforcers is. If the NG is sent to support federal agencies, that is within the purview of El Presidente.

Ah, but tenth states “powers not granted to the U.S. government, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states or the people.” So if something is not black and white, then it’s automatically reserved for the state.

 

[McDad]

Ah, but tenth states “powers not granted to the U.S. government, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states or the people.” So if something is not black and white, then it’s automatically reserved for the state.

You are correct.

But when it comes to domestic deployment of the NG, there is a shared aspect between the president and the governor. In that case, there powers (some or shared) which are granted to the US government.

This is a debate that goes back decades. It is interesting reading opinions on the subject pre and post Trump.

 

[OHvol40]

You are correct.

But when it comes to domestic deployment of the NG, there is a shared aspect between the president and the governor. In that case, there powers (some or shared) which are granted to the US government.

This is a debate that goes back decades. It is interesting reading opinions on the subject pre and post Trump.

So if you’re playing judge, and Trump wants to deploy the NG to Chicago because it’s “dangerous”, and Pritzger and the State of Illinois are in court citing everything we’ve mentioned, arguing that the NG is not needed, there is no emergency, and the President is using American soldiers to terrorize states that oppose the president politically… what are you deciding?

 

[CobbVol]

The left has gone from Trump is acting like a dictator for using the NG to assist police with crime to once again demanding law abiding citizens be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights in a dictator-like fashion.

 

[McDad]

So if you’re playing judge, and Trump wants to deploy the NG to Chicago because it’s “dangerous”, and Pritzger and the State of Illinois are in court citing everything we’ve mentioned, arguing that the NG is not needed, there is no emergency, and the President is using American soldiers to terrorize states that oppose the president politically… what are you deciding?

If I am judge???

that the NG isn't necessary unless trump's admin can show compelling evidence federal agencies need support in Chicago. And that Pritzker's admin is using hyperbole to sway the court decision which would be reprimanded.
I would also give Pritzker 90 days to adequately protect the citizens they represent.

 

[hog88]

Ah, but tenth states “powers not granted to the U.S. government, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states or the people.” So if something is not black and white, then it’s automatically reserved for the state.

It warms my heart to see a liberal making this argument.

 

[McDad]

It warms my heart to see a liberal making this argument.

I didn't know you had a heart.

 

[hog88]

I didn't know you had a heart.

It's small but it's there.

 

[EasternVol]

Oh of course it did, in the eyes of the government. They placed value on someone’s existence in terms of their rights.

Slaves had very little in the way of rights, almost nil. The 3/5 ratio didn't affect that.

 

[dalton_vol]

This isn't the flex you think it is. You've just inadvertently narrowed the gap between trump and socialists.

Instead of using buzzwords and hoping for the best, think your argument out to a conclusion.

To think that Trump is a dictator is just stupid. I wasn't trying to flex

 

[EasternVol]

Right, the northern states were worried about the shift in representation if every slave was counted as a citizen, they wanted only “free” people to count. The south wanted to increase their representation. The compromise lead to many slave-owning Presidents and prolonged our move away from the practice. We’ve had many opportunities to correct things on a moral basis, but often balked at significant change until it comes to a boiling point socially.

So the north didn't want to count residents as people so they'd have an advantage in the HoR? That sounds like suppression.
Today are HoR and EC allocations based on all residents of a state or just those with certain status?

 

[Peradox1K]

What clip? I linked a BBC article.

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Are you referring to the train wreck press conference?

He... also did not condemn the far left.

 

[85SugarVol]

It warms my heart to see a liberal making this argument.

Wait, do we like the 10th again? Good.

 

[BowlBrother85]

THAT actually should be the most frightening thing any US political entity has done in since almost forever.

That's ridiculous. While the pressuring of Joe Biden to drop out of the race was unseemly, it was not illegal. Ultimately, Biden did decline the Democratic Party nomination for President, which allowed his delegates to cast votes for Kamala Harris at the Democratic National Convention. No laws were broken. No Federal Election Commission laws were violated. It was not Unconstitutional. Biden said at the time that he was declining the Democratic Party nomination for President of his own free will, and whether that was true or not, it was enough.

Donald Trump's fake elector scheme on the other hand, involved acts of forgery, which is illegal.

 

[chuckiepoo]

US President Donald Trump on Monday suggested many Americans would like a dictator as he signed orders to tighten his federal clampdown on the capital Washington and to prosecute flag-burners.

During a rambling 80-minute event in the Oval Office, Trump lambasted critics and the media as he complained that he was not getting credit for his National Guard-backed crackdown on crime and immigration.

"They say 'we don't need him. Freedom, freedom. He's a dictator. He's a dictator.' A lot of people are saying: 'Maybe we like a dictator,'" Trump told reporters.

# # #

Are you one of the "many people" that supposedly wants Trump to become your dictator?

A dictator is a ruler with total or absolute control over a government and society, typically obtained by seizing power or subverting democratic institutions rather than through legitimate election. Modern dictators consolidate power by undermining courts, legislatures, and the media, often using propaganda and controlling information rather than overt terror to maintain compliance. While the role evolved from a temporary Roman emergency position, it now refers to a modern autocrat in a non-democratic state who monopolizes political power.

Key Characteristics of Modern Dictators

• • Consolidated Power:
    They seize and maintain power through unconstitutional means or by eroding existing democratic institutions.
  • Control of Information:
    Modern dictators often manipulate news and media to control public perception and gain support, a tactic known as "spin dictatorship".
  • Suppression of Opposition:
    They intimidate or eliminate political opponents, prohibit opposing political parties, and suppress independent civil society groups.
  • Erosion of Institutions:
    Dictators work to weaken or co-opt other centers of power, such as courts, legislatures, and the media, so they are not constrained by checks and balances.
  • Use of Elite Networks:
    They rely on an inner circle of elites—often party members, military officers, or personal friends—who benefit from the regime in exchange for their support and loyalty.
  • Shifting Tactics:
    While past dictators relied heavily on terror and overt violence, many 21st-century dictators prefer subtler methods to engineer consent and maintain control from within

 

[OHvol40]

If I am judge???

that the NG isn't necessary unless trump's admin can show compelling evidence federal agencies need support in Chicago. And that Pritzker's admin is using hyperbole to sway the court decision which would be reprimanded.
I would also give Pritzker 90 days to adequately protect the citizens they represent.

That last part is a bit ambiguous. In the medical field we always use “obtainable, measurable goals” lol

 

[OHvol40]

It warms my heart to see a liberal making this argument.

This liberal has no problem with a much smaller federal government.

 

[OHvol40]

So the north didn't want to count residents as people so they'd have an advantage in the HoR? That sounds like suppression.
Today are HoR and EC allocations based on all residents of a state or just those with certain status?

It’s supposed to be based on the census, but republicans would love to exclude many

 

[McDad]

That last part is a bit ambiguous. In the medical field we always use “obtainable, measurable goals” lol

Are you telling the judge how I am supposed to rule in my own court???

I find you in contempt. 10 days in the slammer.

*McDad slams gavel*

 

[OHvol40]

Are you telling the judge how I am supposed to rule in my own court???

I find you in contempt. 10 days in the slammer.

*McDad slams gavel*

Be careful, I appointed you, and this is Trump’s America…

 

[MontyPython]

Well considering the poll is flawed because preserve our democracy is just a democrat talking point. We have heard this for almost 10 years now. We have such a dictator I got to work a 9hr day yesterday. I get to keep my money so I can provide for my family. Heck the last President gives a Hitler style speech and it’s all good.

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The poll is not flawed, but your reading comprehension is...

Neither Trump nor I nor the poll suggested we had or have a dictator. The actual question before us is do we *want* a dictator (i.e. in the future). Naturally, if you read into Trump's statements, he's trying to lay the groundwork for trying to break our Constitution and become our ruler.

Here's what he said:

"They say 'we don't need him. Freedom, freedom. He's a dictator. He's a dictator.' A lot of people are saying: 'Maybe we like a dictator,'" Trump told reporters.