Maybe We Like a Dictator

[hog88]

It's not like the slaves were getting a vote in the south. They were just being used to give slavery a larger voice than it should've had in the new republic.

The better question in the current moment, though, is why did the northern states think a compromise was to their benefit? They could've just formed two separate countries.

Without the south the North had nothing to trade.

 

[McDad]

Basically. Once POTUS federalizes a NG unit they would be bound by the limitations of the posse comitatus act and barred from law enforcement activities. So in short, what's the use of POTUS activating a NG unit in a city if they cannot preform LE duties?

I think that is a good question. I suspect that the "show of force" is a deterrence to criminal activity. And, to your point, that can be accomplished without violating the pc act.

Additionally, it makes the president look tough on crime and stern on "bad areas" and old voters love that display toughness.

 

[appvol]

What clip? I linked a BBC article.

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Are you referring to the train wreck press conference?

So you don’t there was liberal and conservative people there to protest that weren’t causing trouble

 

[appvol]

What clip? I linked a BBC article.

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Are you referring to the train wreck press conference?

Once again what did Trump say in this

 

[BowlBrother85]

The Libs vote for socialists there isn't much of a difference

Trump's Intel stake sparks cries of 'socialism' from his party, but he vows more deals are coming

Donald Trump has a message for critics who think turning the U.S. government into a major stockholder of Intel is a “socialist” move: More is coming

abcnews.go.com

Do you consider President Donald Trump to be a socialist? Because this is inconsistent with capitalism (private enterprise). See if you can answer the question posed by Republican Senator Rand Paul (KY).

"If socialism is government owning the means of production, wouldn't the government owning part of Intel be a step towards socialism?" - Sen. Rand Paul

Too many Trump supporters /conservatives /republicans throw the words socialists/socialism around on here who I'm convinced either don't understand what they mean or don't closely follow the policies of the Trump Administration. You couldn't.

 

[BeardedVol]

Trump's Intel stake sparks cries of 'socialism' from his party, but he vows more deals are coming

Donald Trump has a message for critics who think turning the U.S. government into a major stockholder of Intel is a “socialist” move: More is coming

abcnews.go.com

Do you consider President Donald Trump to be a socialist? Because this is inconsistent with capitalism (private enterprise). See if you can answer the question posed by Republican Senator Rand Paul (KY).

"If socialism is government owning the means of production, wouldn't the government owning part of Intel be a step towards socialism?" - Sen. Rand Paul

Too many Trump supporters/conservatives/republicans throw the words socialists/socialism around who I'm convinced either don't understand what they mean or don't closely follow the policies of the Trump Administration. You couldn't.

It's not socialism when their guy does it.

Just like when they were all railing about Obama's use of executive orders, and now practically running the entire government via EOs and emergency declarations is perfectly fine.

 

[BeardedVol]

Once again what did Trump say in this

That has nothing to do with the article I posted, and the criticism Trump received from both sides of the isle when he tried to blame 'both sides' for the neo nazi violence in Charlottesville.

You really should try reading the article, you might actually learn something.

 

[MercyPercy]

I think that is a good question. I suspect that the "show of force" is a deterrence to criminal activity. And, to your point, that can be accomplished without violating the pc act.

Additionally, it makes the president look tough on crime and stern on "bad areas" and old voters love that display toughness.

It's an intimidation tactic.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It's not socialism when their guy does it.

Just like when they were all railing about Obama's use of executive orders, and now practically running the entire government via EOs and emergency declarations is perfectly fine.

It really does either take ignorance or audacity for Trump supporters to be calling liberals "socialists" right now. Trump is fully embracing a core feature of socialism .... and doubling down on it.

 

[McDad]

It's an intimidation tactic.

Likely.

Who do you think is the target of the tactic?

 

[appvol]

That has nothing to do with the article I posted, and the criticism Trump received from both sides of the isle when he tried to blame 'both sides' for the neo nazi violence in Charlottesville.

You really should try reading the article, you might actually learn something.

lol you posted a clip and Article about what Trump didn’t condemn but there is a clip of him condemning the Neo Nazis

 

[OHvol40]

I think that is a good question. I suspect that the "show of force" is a deterrence to criminal activity. And, to your point, that can be accomplished without violating the pc act.

Additionally, it makes the president look tough on crime and stern on "bad areas" and old voters love that display toughness.

It doesn’t raise a red flag to you that this is being done, or at least threatened, based on political maps? You don’t see the inherent danger in that? I VERY much doubt Trump will threaten to send troops into Houston or ATL, but cities in the most blue states are a-ok. Like the previous poster said, it at least could be an intimidation tactic. He’s just bating civil unrest. There are no emergencies in any of these places that call for American troops to patrol cities. He loves to use the troops as his own, instead of the country’s.

 

[MercyPercy]

Likely.

Who do you think is the target of the tactic?

The ICE protestors mainly but if random civilians in liberal cities get intimidated I'm sure they'll take that too.

 

[McDad]

It doesn’t raise a red flag to you that this is being done, or at least threatened, based on political maps? You don’t see the inherent danger in that? I VERY much doubt Trump will threaten to send troops into Houston or ATL, but cities in the most blue states are a-ok. Like the previous poster said, it at least could be an intimidation tactic. He’s just bating civil unrest. There are no emergencies in any of these places that call for American troops to patrol cities. He loves to use the troops as his own, instead of the country’s.

You know, it's funny because with any other president it probably would raise a red flag. But with trump it doesn't. I don't know and I have not yet learned how to distinguish something that is a bombastic troll job to manipulate people, from what is a bad idea that he's really committed to, or something that is off the cuff idiocy.
So I don't get super invested in what he says he will do. I mean I know we have to talk about it because there would be nothing to talk about if we didn't.

 

[McDad]

The ICE protestors mainly but if random civilians in liberal cities get intimidated I'm sure they'll take that too.

Wouldn't put it past the man. Do you think he's intimidating them for a specific purpose or just general nuisance?

 

[hndog609]

I think that is a good question. I suspect that the "show of force" is a deterrence to criminal activity. And, to your point, that can be accomplished without violating the pc act.

Additionally, it makes the president look tough on crime and stern on "bad areas" and old voters love that display toughness.

I only touched on it earlier but if this tactic demonstrably reduces crime, especially in "people of color" areas, it could make for some really uncomfortable discussions in some other cities notable for their high crime. The other thing is there's this perception, one not necessarily discouraged by some politicians and media, that big swaths of the poc population would rather defund law enforcement than be safe. Most people, regardless of who you are, would like to think they are safe in their homes and businesses. When X business just shutters their windows and leaves because it's literally not worth it to try and keep the doors open from criminal activity who does that hurt most in the end? It's not necessarily safe to give Trump credit for being clever but even if inadvertently this sets up a real (read in Trump's voice) "Hello all you fine black and brown people. Your leftist politicians have failed you. Most of you are of course good and fine people but there are those in your community that are not and your government people, your mayor's and DA's aren't doing their jobs and it is you that suffer for it. Look what we've been able to do here in DC and ask yourself if you shouldn't expect better from your community's leadership." take that could resonate.

This isn't a prediction of any kind but just one possible outcome.

 

[n_huffhines]

When for freedom of speech? All he said was that CNN was fake news, not outlaw them...

And he's not wrong.

(Legal and illegal) attacks on speech:

- He sued 60 minutes over editing and won a settlement because they want his FCC to approve the Paramount merger.
- Sued ABC for an alleged misquotation.
- Suing WSJ for publishing the Epstein letter.
- Cuts to PBS and NPR were made for political reasons. He admitted this.
- Restriction of press access and retaliatory tactics (like effectively banning the AP because they still say "Gulf of Mexico").
- Punitive defunding of academia for political reasons.
- Detaining immigrant for Op-Ed
- Flag burning XO

I know a bunch of dummies are going to want to say "but some of those are legal actions." Debatable, but if you care about the concept of free speech, then you don't want the POTUS to be crushing speech through legal means. To those people, don't waste your breath and find some principles.

 

[McDad]

I only touched on it earlier but if this tactic demonstrably reduces crime, especially in "people of color" areas, it could make for some really uncomfortable discussions in some other cities notable for their high crime. The other thing is there's this perception, one not necessarily discouraged by some politicians and media, that big swaths of the poc population would rather defund law enforcement than be safe. Most people, regardless of who you are, would like to think they are safe in their homes and businesses. When X business just shutters their windows and leaves because it's literally not worth it to try and keep the doors open from criminal activity who does that hurt most in the end? It's not necessarily safe to give Trump credit for being clever but even if inadvertently this sets up a real (read in Trump's voice) "Hello all you fine black and brown people. Your leftist politicians have failed you. Most of you are of course good and fine people but there are those in your community that are not and your government people, your mayor's and DA's aren't doing their jobs and it is you that suffer for it. Look what we've been able to do here in DC and ask yourself if you shouldn't expect better from your community's leadership." take that could resonate.

This isn't a prediction of any kind but just one possible outcome.

I don't have access to any sort of polling data or studies but I would think the people in the dangerous communities would be the ones most accepting of a show of force deterrence in their neighborhood. I don't know anybody who wants to live in a crime infested dangerous area regardless of their color

 

[hndog609]

I don't have access to any sort of polling data or studies but I would think the people in the dangerous communities would be the ones most accepting of a show of force deterrence in their neighborhood. I don't know anybody who wants to live in a crime infested dangerous area regardless of their color

This is exactly the kind of thing that could really kick the Left in the keister.

 

[McDad]

This is exactly the kind of thing that could really kick the Left in the keister.

You may have a very good point here. I wasn't considering some sort of political angle to drive a wedge in a strong Democrat voting block. But the strategy isn't bad if that's what you're wanting to accomplish.

 

[Septic]

The Libs vote for socialists there isn't much of a difference

This isn't the flex you think it is. You've just inadvertently narrowed the gap between trump and socialists.

Instead of using buzzwords and hoping for the best, think your argument out to a conclusion.

 

[BeardedVol]

This isn't the flex you think it is. You've just inadvertently narrowed the gap between trump and socialists.

Instead of using buzzwords and hoping for the best, think your argument out to a conclusion.

Some serious argument for the validity of 'horseshoe theory" in this thread.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don't have access to any sort of polling data or studies but I would think the people in the dangerous communities would be the ones most accepting of a show of force deterrence in their neighborhood. I don't know anybody who wants to live in a crime infested dangerous area regardless of their color

Nobody wants to feel like they live in a police state either.

 

[Septic]

Seems like an ehh thread to get the big troll rolling.

No one wants to throw grenades in to the room and shut the door anymore.

Trump announces plan to welcome 600,000 Chinese students amid trade talks

Back in May, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced that the Trump administration would begin to "aggressively revoke" the visas of Chinese students.

katv.com

This seems reasonable, where my MAGA boys at?

 

[Sudden Impact]

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