Maybe We Like a Dictator

Maybe we like a dictator?

  • Yes. I want to abandon our democracy and voting, and be ruled by Trump.

    Votes: 13 50.0%

  • No. I want to preserve our democracy.

    Votes: 13 50.0%
  • Total voters
    26
#30
#30
jvol1 said:
My take on this is that the republicans want to show willful ignorance to trump's takeover so that he can do things to immigrants and minorities needed to maintain the "white" character of the nation that wouldn't be possible in a lawful society if our normal laws were in effect. I think they're hoping to finally admit to the obvious after a "small" genocide and then fall in with the dems for a little "refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots" action to restore the constitution -- kind of like that movie "civil war" that came out last year. This seems like an incredibly ignorant plan to me and is basically just a set up for a foreign takeover of this country.
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This take illuminates your own internal thoughts far more than it sheds light on the thoughts of others.
 
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Sending in the National Guard isn’t being a dictator. It’s the country’s CEO enforcing the laws of the land because the bureaucrats running many of our largest, most important cities are failing at that basic function of government.
 
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#33
Funny how the OP pollster left off the other sentences ... context.

Trump said during an Aug. 25 White House event: “They say: 'We don’t need him. Freedom, freedom, he’s a dictator.' "

"A lot of people are saying maybe we like a dictator," Trump added. "I don’t like a dictator. I’m not a dictator. I'm a man with great common sense and a smart person."
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Sending in the National Guard isn’t being a dictator. It’s the country’s CEO enforcing the laws of the land because the bureaucrats running many of our largest, most important cities are failing at that basic function of government.
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A President sending in the NG to act as a police force in any other city besides DC is breaking the law, not enforcing it.
 
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hog88 said:
A President sending in the NG to act as a police force in any other city besides DC is breaking the law, not enforcing it.
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This is my understanding.* The whining about this happening in DC doesn't really resonate with me as I feel it's under direct federal purview. As you say I don't think it can work that way in other cities without some very specific circumstances. The biggest threat to the other cities is if DC turns out to be a smashing crime lowering success it's just going to look really bad in comparison.

*I'm open to anyone with an actual legal argument against the DC usage. No "feelz" please.
 
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hog88 said:
A President sending in the NG to act as a police force in any other city besides DC is breaking the law, not enforcing it.
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Is it against the law to murder hundreds of innocent citizens in those cities? Using the NG for responding to domestic emergencies and civil unrest is a good move. If the unhinged element wants to fight the legality in court they can do that. In the mean time the NG will stop the out of control criminals since the state and local governments are failing.
 
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MontyPython said:
US President Donald Trump on Monday suggested many Americans would like a dictator as he signed orders to tighten his federal clampdown on the capital Washington and to prosecute flag-burners.

During a rambling 80-minute event in the Oval Office, Trump lambasted critics and the media as he complained that he was not getting credit for his National Guard-backed crackdown on crime and immigration.

"They say 'we don't need him. Freedom, freedom. He's a dictator. He's a dictator.' A lot of people are saying: 'Maybe we like a dictator,'" Trump told reporters.

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Are you one of the "many people" that supposedly wants Trump to become your dictator?

A dictator is a ruler with total or absolute control over a government and society, typically obtained by seizing power or subverting democratic institutions rather than through legitimate election. Modern dictators consolidate power by undermining courts, legislatures, and the media, often using propaganda and controlling information rather than overt terror to maintain compliance. While the role evolved from a temporary Roman emergency position, it now refers to a modern autocrat in a non-democratic state who monopolizes political power.

Key Characteristics of Modern Dictators
    • Consolidated Power:
      They seize and maintain power through unconstitutional means or by eroding existing democratic institutions.
    • Control of Information:
      Modern dictators often manipulate news and media to control public perception and gain support, a tactic known as "spin dictatorship".
    • Suppression of Opposition:
      They intimidate or eliminate political opponents, prohibit opposing political parties, and suppress independent civil society groups.
    • Erosion of Institutions:
      Dictators work to weaken or co-opt other centers of power, such as courts, legislatures, and the media, so they are not constrained by checks and balances.
    • Use of Elite Networks:
      They rely on an inner circle of elites—often party members, military officers, or personal friends—who benefit from the regime in exchange for their support and loyalty.
    • Shifting Tactics:
      While past dictators relied heavily on terror and overt violence, many 21st-century dictators prefer subtler methods to engineer consent and maintain control from within
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I disagree with your statement entirely. Dems are more likely to flip and become Commie Dictators.

Also none of those have happened.
 
#40
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hog88 said:
A President sending in the NG to act as a police force in any other city besides DC is breaking the law, not enforcing it.
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I haven't been following this issue.

Are the NG in DC tasked with arresting criminals (and other things the DC police do)? If so, is that the model Trump is using when sending the NG to other cities?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Is it against the law to murder hundreds of innocent citizens in those cities? Using the NG for responding to domestic emergencies and civil unrest is a good move. If the unhinged element wants to fight the legality in court they can do that. In the mean time the NG will stop the out of control criminals since the state and local governments are failing.
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2 wrongs don't make a right. What happens when the next guy thinks it's an appropriate use of the military to respond to a state legislature or governor opposing him?

It's up to the locality and state to take care of their internal problems, if the citizens don't think enough about it to force their local/state elected officials to act then it's damn sure not a feral govt problem.
 
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McDad said:
I haven't been following this issue.

Are the NG in DC tasked with arresting criminals (and other things the DC police do)? If so, is that the model Trump is using when sending the NG to other cities?
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I'm not sure what the NG is doing in DC but it is within the presidential powers to use the NG as a police augment within the District of Columbia. Outside of DC it would be illegal.
 
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hog88 said:
2 wrongs don't make a right. What happens when the next guy thinks it's an appropriate use of the military to respond to a state legislature or governor opposing him?

It's up to the locality and state to take care of their internal problems, if the citizens don't think enough about it to force their local/state elected officials to act then it's damn sure not a feral govt problem.
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And even if it was, the government would almost assuredly f*** it up like they do with pretty much everything else.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Remember when the Dems threw their democratically chosen representative out n the trash and installed a new candidate? Yeah….
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Yeah, cool. We're griping about an authoritarian currently in the WH and you are talking about a party procedure from a year ago for the DNC? Who ****ing cares? This is one of the worst "whatabouts" in the history of VN. JFC.
 
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dalton_vol said:
The Libs vote for socialists there isn't much of a difference
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You are 100% right that there isn't much of a difference between Trump and dipshit socialists on the left.

Every post in here that is essentially, "yeah but the left...." when the convo is "Trump is an authoritarian" needs to be thrown in the trash. The left is not in charge. You need to oppose Trump, not accept his actions because of what you think of the left. That part is over. You voted for Trump because he wasn't the left, now you need to abandon that line of reasoning and just demand the best out of him.

WTF are we doing here?
 
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