Matt Simms #1 QB

#51
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TrueOrange said:
clausen easily above crompton, that one game doesn't outweigh a really tough career over 1 good half of a seaon; also those fumbles were in Neyland in a heavy downpour the first half, not Gainesville

Clausen really worked with a lot less talent (than you're saying), especially the latter half of 02 and the semi-rebuilding on offense (esp at WR, where they were almost all new) in 03
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Ok I guess I need to respond...

I admit I might be wrong with about where I ranked Clausen but I think he would have struggled dealing with what Crompton had to go through.

Finally I know Florida is the big rival, but is that the only benchmark for success, meaning that if we lose all the rest of our games but we beat Florida then life is good? At the very least Tennessee should have to beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama all in the same season to make y'all happy.
 
#52
#52
judojew said:
Ok I guess I need to respond...

I admit I might be wrong with about where I ranked Clausen but I think he would have struggled dealing with what Crompton had to go through.

Finally I know Florida is the big rival, but is that the only benchmark for success, meaning that if we lose all the rest of our games but we beat Florida then life is good? At the very least Tennessee should have to beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama all in the same season to make y'all happy.
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I don't think that's been done since '98.
 
#55
#55
Ben900829 said:
You play the qb that gives you the best chance to win. Bray IMO is clearly that QB. Proved it in the O & W game. Leaders also have the ability to be bad leaders.
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Orange and White game means nothing. Almost every year there is a guy that does great in that game and then disappears. In the O&W game defense was not allowed to leave their basic package and it was one single performance. Bray also threw the ball about 20 more times than Simms which inflated his stats. Simms has been the better play through practice and already has emerged as the team leader. All the Bray fans need to chill out, he'll get his time.
 
#56
#56
judojew said:
Ok I guess I need to respond...

I admit I might be wrong with about where I ranked Clausen but I think he would have struggled dealing with what Crompton had to go through.

Finally I know Florida is the big rival, but is that the only benchmark for success, meaning that if we lose all the rest of our games but we beat Florida then life is good? At the very least Tennessee should have to beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama all in the same season to make y'all happy.
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Maybe but maybe Crompton wouldn't have done any better. He did okay with Kiffin and he only had him for a season. The offense was really dumbed-down though. Wide receiver screens and and slant routes.

Part of my thinking on why he may have been no better given a single offensive coordinator is that almost all of the quarterbacks in his class tanked with their respective teams.

1 Mark Sanchez
2 Ryan Perrilloux
3 Jonathan Crompton
4 Ben Olson
JC Joe Ayoob
5 Josh Portis
6 Kyle Reed
7 Ike Whitaker
8 Jason Forcier
9 Greg Paulus
10 Willie Tuitama
11 Harrison Beck
12 Derek Shaw
13 Carlton Hill
14 Colt McCoy
15 Jake Christensen
16 Arkelon Hall
17 Rob Schoenhoft
18 Evan Sharpley
19 Michael Coleman
20 Cameron Sexton
21 Vic Hall
22 Joe Cox
JC Colt Brennan
JC Steve Wichman
JC Zac Taylor
23 Kevin Lopina
24 Brandis Dew
25 Jimmy Barnes
26 Chase Daniel
27 Bill Stull
28 Joey Elliott
29 Jarrett Brown
31 Gene Delle Donne
32 Kellen Moriarty
33 Sean Canfield
34 Jameel Sewell
35 Zack Asack
36 Dustin Sherer
37 Jimmy Johns
38 Adam Hearns
39 Brandon Jones
40 Curtis Pulley
41 Carlton Jackson
42 Jonathan Garner
43 Johnny DuRocher
44 Domenic Natale
45 Kerry Meier
46 Osaar Rasshan
47 Paul Blalock
48 Nate Sowers
49 Eric Peterman
50 Tavita Pritchard
51 Mike Kafka
52 Mack Brown
53 Jared Prince
54 Patrick Devenny
55 Mackenzi Adams
56 Kyle Seevers
NR Chris Todd
JC Nick Davila

The bold are the solid-good qb's that came out of the class. That's the best the list has to offer... not good. Crompton, Cox and Kafka had solid senior seasons but looking at the list... I'm not convinced Crompton would have been any better with one coordinator.
 
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#57
#57
I think Simms is going to be fine after the UT Martin game.....once he realizes settles down a bit he find his rhythm with the passing game. I think he came here thinking he had to prove his worth and be a super star right off. Once he realizes he just has to manage the game and not win it on every drop he'll be fine. I just hope Simms can see the warning signs when it is coming:

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#58
#58
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Maybe but maybe Crompton wouldn't have done any better. He did okay with Kiffin and he only had him for a season. The offense was really dumbed-down though. Wide receiver screens and and slant routes.

Part of my thinking on why he may have been no better given a single offensive coordinator is that almost all of the quarterbacks in his class tanked with their respective teams.

1 Mark Sanchez
2 Ryan Perrilloux
3 Jonathan Crompton
4 Ben Olson
JC Joe Ayoob
5 Josh Portis
6 Kyle Reed
7 Ike Whitaker
8 Jason Forcier
9 Greg Paulus
10 Willie Tuitama
11 Harrison Beck
12 Derek Shaw
13 Carlton Hill
14 Colt McCoy
15 Jake Christensen
16 Arkelon Hall
17 Rob Schoenhoft
18 Evan Sharpley
19 Michael Coleman
20 Cameron Sexton
21 Vic Hall
22 Joe Cox
JC Colt Brennan
JC Steve Wichman
JC Zac Taylor
23 Kevin Lopina
24 Brandis Dew
25 Jimmy Barnes
26 Chase Daniel
27 Bill Stull
28 Joey Elliott
29 Jarrett Brown
31 Gene Delle Donne
32 Kellen Moriarty
33 Sean Canfield
34 Jameel Sewell
35 Zack Asack
36 Dustin Sherer
37 Jimmy Johns
38 Adam Hearns
39 Brandon Jones
40 Curtis Pulley
41 Carlton Jackson
42 Jonathan Garner
43 Johnny DuRocher
44 Domenic Natale
45 Kerry Meier
46 Osaar Rasshan
47 Paul Blalock
48 Nate Sowers
49 Eric Peterman
50 Tavita Pritchard
51 Mike Kafka
52 Mack Brown
53 Jared Prince
54 Patrick Devenny
55 Mackenzi Adams
56 Kyle Seevers
NR Chris Todd
JC Nick Davila

The bold are the solid-good qb's that came out of the class. That's the best the list has to offer... not good. Crompton, Cox and Kafka had solid senior seasons but looking at the list... I'm not convinced Crompton would have been any better with one coordinator.
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ok first off kudos for to you for the data you pulled... but I am curious how you put Colt McCoy as a tanker (or does the bold mean that they actually did good for their team?) but your right most of that quarterback class was unimpressive I noticed Joe Cox of Georgia was on that list
 
#59
#59
OWB said:
I don't think either of them looked great, but I agree. I thought Bray did a lot of good things. A few of his passes were just barely off the mark. That's just a timing thing. He was stepping up in the pocket, making decent reads. Then there's that whole turning the ball over thing....he didn't.

All I saw from Sims was a lot of running and throwing stuff up for grabs, which our DB's seemed to thoroughly enjoy. Granted, his offensive line didn't help much, but he didn't seem poised.

I guess we'll see how the summer plays out.
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Bray certainly had the better of the two offensive fronts. That made a HUGE difference IMO. I agree with your observations though.
 
#60
#60
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
I think Simms is going to be fine after the UT Martin game.....once he realizes settles down a bit he find his rhythm with the passing game. I think he came here thinking he had to prove his worth and be a super star right off. Once he realizes he just has to manage the game and not win it on every drop he'll be fine. I just hope Simms can see the warning signs when it is coming:
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I like your optimism, but I disagree. It's going to be a long season with Simms under center (or shotgun) and behind this offensive line.
 
#61
#61
the O&W game didn't show much of what the QB's can do. when you have mix of 1st and 2nd strings on the O-Line not much can be shown with a protected pocket also the play calling was a bit random at times. but the qualities of Simms and Bray are quite different. Simms is a natural leader and suprisingly mobile and he obviously has more exp. within the college system but seems to look run 1st then pass at times. Bray has Senior-like composure in the pocket at times but could had easily been picked more than once during the scrimmage. not as mobile and needs to put on weight. But his freshmen title and his inexpierence pulls him down on the depth chart----plain and simple
 
#64
#64
Eric Ainge, Casey Clausen, and Peyton Manning started as true freshmen, and none of them attended spring practice. I wouldn't rule out Bray starting just yet.
 
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#65
#65
DcShortstop11 said:
the O&W game didn't show much of what the QB's can do. when you have mix of 1st and 2nd strings on the O-Line not much can be shown with a protected pocket also the play calling was a bit random at times. but the qualities of Simms and Bray are quite different. Simms is a natural leader and suprisingly mobile and he obviously has more exp. within the college system but seems to look run 1st then pass at times. Bray has Senior-like composure in the pocket at times but could had easily been picked more than once during the scrimmage. not as mobile and needs to put on weight. But his freshmen title and his inexpierence pulls him down on the depth chart----plain and simple
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spazzyvol said:
everyone beat florida when zook was running the team.
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I saved both of these posts to "word" so I could email them to my brother. He didn't believe me when I told him and wanted proof.
 
#66
#66
oklavol said:
Eric Ainge, Casey Clausen, and Peyton Manning started as true freshmen, and none of them attended spring practice. I wouldn't rule out Bray starting just yet.
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To even try to compare the OLs those guys started behind in comparison to the 2010 OL is idiotic. Let's not forget that neither Ainge or Schaeffer made it through their true frosh season, both got injured and we were starting Rick in the SECCG.
 
#67
#67
Dooley will not hesitate to yank Simms if he does poorly. Bray will def get some action!
 
#69
#69
ryancy said:
To even try to compare the OLs those guys started behind in comparison to the 2010 OL is idiotic. Let's not forget that neither Ainge or Schaeffer made it through their true frosh season, both got injured and we were starting Rick in the SECCG.
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Yeah, our OL now is much bigger, no one under 6'4".
 
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#70
#70
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Bray is better than simms. not just in the future but also today.
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It really doesn't matter to me if he is... I don't want his career to end in his freshman year behind the OL UT will field to start the season.

I think Bray has the potential to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning. You can see glimpses of something special in him. But I don't think his current physique will allow for the abuse that the UT QB is likely to get in the first half of the upcoming season.

I wish NS would have stayed if for no other reason to guarantee that Bray and Nance could both RS.
 
#71
#71
Glad you fixed that. Ainge was hurt vs ND in his Fr year opening the door for Mini Clausen and the ensuing QB controversy.

FTR, 2004 OL
Respert- 6'3", 305
Douglas- 6'4" 325
Sears- 6'4" 315
Smith 6-4 308
Munoz 6-6 315
Toeaina 6-6 350
 
#72
#72
Lets see how the qb race and the first game plays out. Anybody remember last year when Crompton played not so great in the O&W game, (and Coleman outplayed him) but came away the starter and ended up having a pretty good season.

I'm Just saying...
 
#75
#75
SGMVols said:
This smells like Fulmer.
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I agree! I have not seen enough to say who should start yet but I hope this is not a return to letting better players ride the pine just because they are younger. play the best player!:good!:
 
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