Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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Maybe he deleted it because he thought that part was untrue... However, he should not have done that because now reasonable people will question his motives when he says things. Come to think of it, CNN should know all about that one.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Did you read towards the end of that article that the father refused on the basis he felt CNN was attempting to script the dialog? You just choose to reject his assertion based on missing three words? You see the question at the end in both emails verbatim? Would you agree a phone script to get the whole picture of the exchange would be useful and might explain the fathers assertions?

Yeah I’m still with the kid and believe CNN actively blocked his question.

Edit: on your first statement I don’t know they might have still ran with it. But if they had examined both emails before hand along with the metadata on the edit hopefully they would have expanded their interview.
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I think this article has more of the email exchange. The question--i.e., the sentence ending with a question mark--appears to be the question Haab proposed, verbatim. The issue is Haab wanted a long lead in to his question. CNN wanted him to get to his question just because numerous people had questions to ask.

And I quote from your original post: "Says CNN squashed his question on armed guards and instead gave him a scripted question to ask."

You must admit that is not accurate, right?

Parkland shooting survivor's family shops doctored CNN emails to media - Business Insider
 
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evillawyer said:
I think this article has more of the email exchange. The question--i.e., the sentence ending with a question mark--appears to be the question Haab proposed, verbatim. The issue is Haab wanted a long lead in to his question. CNN wanted him to get to his question just because numerous people had questions to ask.

And I quote from your original post: "Says CNN squashed his question on armed guards and instead gave him a scripted question to ask."

You must admit that is not accurate, right?

Parkland shooting survivor's family shops doctored CNN emails to media - Business Insider
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See my post above. I’m just gonna say I’m sticking with the kid. CNN came back and kept lowering what they wanted from him and in the end wrote the question in the email according to Colton.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol! Oh hell yes I stick absolutely 100% with this young man and his father. Care to comment on this evillawyer?

School shooting survivor: CNN told me to stick to script - YouTube
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Thanks for the link. I watched it. It contained repeated assertions that CNN wanted to change the "question" he was going to ask. That is simply false based on the email exchange. Moreover, we now have evidence that he doctored the email exchange. Put aside the identity of these people for a second (because I know you like the kid's political views and you don't like CNN) and ask yourself this: two parties are disputing what was communicated. We know one of the parties doctored some of the written communications. No evidence the other party doctored the written communications. The parties now differ on what they claim was orally communicated. Would you really believe the person who doctored the written communications to speak truthfully about the oral communications?
 
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evillawyer said:
Thanks for the link. I watched it. It contained repeated assertions that CNN wanted to change the "question" he was going to ask. That is simply false based on the email exchange. Moreover, we now have evidence that he doctored the email exchange. Put aside the identity of these people for a second (because I know you like the kid's political views and you don't like CNN) and ask yourself this: two parties are disputing what was communicated. We know one of the parties doctored some of the written communications. No evidence the other party doctored the written communications. The parties now differ on what they claim was orally communicated. Would you really believe the person who doctored the written communications to speak truthfully about the oral communications?
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So that’s a great argument and I think it would have a decent chance of discrediting Colton in a court of law. I don’t actually know I’m not a lawyer.

Yes you and I are obviously on different sides of the debate. But thanks for the civil discussion.

I am going to submit that both sides have referenced the verbal communication and we don’t have a transcript of that so I guess it’s he said/she said.

However on an Internet forum luckily the burden of proof is much lower ( there isn’t one... ). Simply put I’m not willing to throw out Colton’s own words based on the email chain. He obviously believes it and has been consistent and he’s 17 and not in a court of law.

Based on what we have right now if you are successful in discrediting Colton you would win. However we don’t have the oral source information. And Colton comes across as credible to me now even, as an internet forum warrior not a juror.

But it’s going to be interesting to see where this goes. I do appreciate the link and can promise you I’m going to keep up with this story line. Fair enough?

Edit: on this statement I read all of the emails but I’m doing it on my phone. I didn’t see a direct definitive statement supporting this other than the exchange submitted by both sides wasn’t verbatim. Did I miss it or are you submitting that as fact based on the differing emails only?

That is simply false based on the email exchange.
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NorthDallas40 said:
So that’s a great argument and I think it would have a decent chance of discrediting Colton in a court of law. I don’t actually know I’m not a lawyer.

Yes you and I are obviously on different sides of the debate. But thanks for the civil discussion.

I am going to submit that both sides have referenced the verbal communication and we don’t have a transcript of that so I guess it’s he said/she said.

However on an Internet forum luckily the burden of proof is much lower ( there isn’t one... ). Simply put I’m not willing to throw out Colton’s own words based on the email chain. He obviously believes it and has been consistent and he’s 17 and not in a court of law.

Based on what we have right now if you are successful in discrediting Colton you would win. However we don’t have the oral source information. And Colton comes across as credible to me now even, as an internet forum warrior not a juror.

But it’s going to be interesting to see where this goes. I do appreciate the link and can promise you I’m going to keep up with this story line. Fair enough?

Edit: on this statement I read all of the emails but I’m doing it on my phone. I didn’t see a direct definitive statement supporting this other than the exchange submitted by both sides wasn’t verbatim. Did I miss it or are you submitting that as fact based on the differing emails only?
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There was a scribd link at the bottom of the article that had the exchange. There was an email from Haab to CNN where he proposed the question that appeared in CNN's email back to him. The two questions appeared to be word for word identical.
 
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evillawyer said:
There was a scribd link at the bottom of the article that had the exchange. There was an email from Haab to CNN where he proposed the question that appeared in CNN's email back to him. The two questions appeared to be word for word identical.
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Got it thanks. So I wasnt discounting that. I thought that was what Colton said she told him to ask in the Tucker interview. I took that as his claim anyway. Basically a transcript of their verbal exchange. Did I miss something that definitively excludes that or is it we just don’t know since we don’t have the verbal exchange. It’s a question not a statement of my position but yeah based on your answer admittedly could become a position. Thx.

And I’ve got chores to get to.

Edit: I read all of the emails one last time to see if I was missing something. I didn’t see anything again to change the statement above. In fact if you look at Colton’s exchange to Stevenson I submit there is obvious verbal exchange that is showing up in his email updates back to her?
 
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Ok evillawyer I just finished a walk and went over this in my head. For now just forget about the whole email chain and take the two endpoints.

Your basis of debate is Haab Sr left “as he submitted” in the email to Fox News and CNN rebuts that those three key words were absent in their email chain which they also provide metadata history to show the Haab Sr was the last to modify the chain.

If I am willing to accept that argument then I must discredit young Colton as a credible witness for both written and oral testimony and thus the only remaining position is CNN’s that they scripted nothing and since they are last “credible” man standing they win. Right?
 
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evillawyer said:
Don't think Fox and others would have run with the story with that portion deleted and I certainly believe they're probably feeling a bit duped. The whole thrust of the story was the CNN was feeding these kids questions, when in reality the kids were asking their own questions.
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It wouldn't be the first time CNN got busted doctoring stories
 
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Teachers? Again, Trump is a ****ing idiot. Four deputies were too scared to enter.

"...When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school."
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Teachers? Again, Trump is a ****ing idiot. Four deputies were too scared to enter.

"...When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school."
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You're a freaking idiot. If a teacher was armed inside that school he/she would have the ability to defend themselves and the students if the shooter directly threatened them. It's better then throwing a damn eraser or pencil or waiting to be shot hiding under a desk. Jeez the football asst. coach used his body to shield students FFS.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Teachers? Again, Trump is a ****ing idiot. Four deputies were too scared to enter.

"...When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school."
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Yet, we’re expected to give up our guns and let the police protect us. That’s not how this works....
 
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Carl Pickens said:
He did more to protect the kids in the school than the good for nothing coward school resource officer.... so .... yes..... I am
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Well this is a bit of a logical howler, isn't it? I can be proud of you for doing X. Doesn't mean I have to be proud of you for doing Y. If this kid helped save his fellow students, I'm proud of him for that. If he worked with his dad to doctor CNN's emails to create a false narrative, I wouldn't be proud of that, would you?
 
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evillawyer said:
Well this is a bit of a logical howler, isn't it? I can be proud of you for doing X. Doesn't mean I have to be proud of you for doing Y. If this kid helped save his fellow students, I'm proud of him for that. If he worked with his dad to doctor CNN's emails to create a false narrative, I wouldn't be proud of that, would you?
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Depends on the facts and we have no idea who's telling the truth here..... so I don't care
 
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