Martin>Pearl

#79
#79
VolArmy74 said:
The stuff about the ride ending is ridiculous and doesn't even deserved to be addressed.

But the issue I am going to pick is Scottie Hopson, who improved every season he was here. His PPG, FG%, FT%, and 3pt % improved every season he was here and was First Team All-SEC as a junior.

Not sure why he's so vilified. Great former Vol. Hope he does well with the Cavs.
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So, you give credit to Pearl for developing Hopson, but stand idly by when people claim Martin doesn't develop his players and it is only natural for players to get better as they get older. Interesting...
 
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#82
#82
whobethis16 said:
So, you give credit to Pearl for developing Hopson, but stand idly by when people claim Martin doesn't develop his players and it is only natural for players to get better as they get older. Interesting...
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He didnt mention Pearl's role in anything......the other poster said Scotty didnt develop.....and he pointed out that Hopson got better every yr he was here....Scotty is vilified way too much on here and is a VFL.
 
#83
#83
volbeast33 said:
You left off Ohio State the #2 seed off of that last one to be fair.
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I only went through the making of the Sweet 16. Adding that one would've only been fair if this team beat Michigan. But, that'd still be a wash because Michigan was the 2 seed. People go ape **** over Pearl's runs to the Sweet 16 but discredit Martin's when they are pretty much identical. Ridiculous.
 
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#84
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volbeast33 said:
He didnt mention Pearl's role in anything......the other poster said Scotty didnt develop.....and he pointed out that Hopson got better every yr he was here....Scotty is vilified way too much on here and is a VFL.
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I've defended Hopson more than many people I know personally. I don't hate on the kid, except to say that he didn't live up to the (maybe too high) expectations due to him being a McDonald's All American. I don't think he was as bad many on here think.

Edit: and he continued the Pearl part with his "the ride wasn't ending", so yes, Pearl is mentioned in a non-direct way.
 
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#86
#86
whobethis16 said:
I only went through the making of the Sweet 16. Adding that one would've only been fair if this team beat Michigan. But, that'd still be a wash because Michigan was the 2 seed. People go ape **** over Pearl's runs to the Sweet 16 but discredit Martin's when they are pretty much identical. Ridiculous.
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Facts Shmacks

STFU!
 
#88
#88
whobethis16 said:
I only went through the making of the Sweet 16. Adding that one would've only been fair if this team beat Michigan. But, that'd still be a wash because Michigan was the 2 seed. People go ape **** over Pearl's runs to the Sweet 16 but discredit Martin's when they are pretty much identical. Ridiculous.
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You just see what you want to see......the only discrediting of our run has occured is bc people has went nuts thinking this is proof he is the guy. We were possibly one loss from not even making the tourney and we did get a good set up....that doesnt matter though bc that is all u can expect of a coach.

He earned the right to prove people wrong but he does need to make the tourney consistently and improve his recruiting.....if stokes stays it will alleviate concerns over this next season...if he goes, it could be a rough yr.
 
#89
#89
volbeast33 said:
You just see what you want to see......the only discrediting of our run has occured is bc people has went nuts thinking this is proof he is the guy. We were possibly one loss from not even making the tourney and we did get a good set up....that doesnt matter though bc that is all u can expect of a coach.

He earned the right to prove people wrong but he does need to make the tourney consistently and improve his recruiting.....if stokes stays it will alleviate concerns over this next season...if he goes, it could be a rough yr.
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How does Pearl making the Elite 8 make a difference in what he did to get to the Sweet 16? Not a damn thing. That's the point. Say Martin had beaten Michigan, would you say that his route was just lucky while Pearl's was skill? Probably. Talk about seeing what you want to see.
 
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#90
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whobethis16 said:
How does Pearl making the Elite 8 make a difference in what he did to get to the Sweet 16? Not a damn thing. That's the point. Say Martin had beaten Michigan, would you say that his route was just lucky while Pearl's was skill? Probably. Talk about seeing what you want to see.
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I didnt mention pearl or the elite........pearl is not popular bc he made an elite........he made the tourney six straight tourneys.......three sweet sixteens.....an elite eight.....higher seed than martin in his worse season....felt like u could beat anyone in the country on a given day.....and it was very exciting time.m....he also had top 15 recruiting classes in 3 of the 6 yrs.......that being said I hope Zo spanks pearl and becomes the better coach.....if u dont like that Zo is not looked at as favorably....Tell Zo to step it up.....big boy ball...no room for crying.
 
#91
#91
whobethis16 said:
I only went through the making of the Sweet 16. Adding that one would've only been fair if this team beat Michigan. But, that'd still be a wash because Michigan was the 2 seed. People go ape **** over Pearl's runs to the Sweet 16 but discredit Martin's when they are pretty much identical. Ridiculous.
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Except that Pearl did it three times and, the three other times he didn't, still made the tournament and only failed to win a game once in six years. Not quite the same record.
 
#92
#92
Unimane said:
Except that Pearl did it three times and, the three other times he didn't, still made the tournament and only failed to win a game once in six years. Not quite the same record.
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Twice. Got ass stomped against Michigan and got knocked out by Oklahoma State. And ok, the third one he beat Long Beach State and Virginia.

For the third time, this was only comparing the runs TO THE SWEET 16. For those of you with issues, it is comparing who Martin beat to get to the Sweet 16 vs what Pearl did to get to it. That's it. Not who they played in the Sweet 16, not after, nothing. Volbeast brought up Ohio State in Elite 8, fail on his part. You just brought up the other years, fail on your part. Dunno how much clearer I can make it for you.
 
#93
#93
whobethis16 said:
I only went through the making of the Sweet 16. Adding that one would've only been fair if this team beat Michigan. But, that'd still be a wash because Michigan was the 2 seed. People go ape **** over Pearl's runs to the Sweet 16 but discredit Martin's when they are pretty much identical. Ridiculous.
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Except Pearl's teams were ranked higher with more talent but won about the same amount of games with worse tourney results except for the EE year.
 
#94
#94
UT being ranked what they were under Pearl is amazing when you look at the talent.
Chism was Pearl's best big and he would not have started for this team. Pearl built UT with transfers. Basically duct tape and bailing wire, until the facilities were upgraded and UT became enough of a name to recruit higher ranked players like Tobias and Stokes.

Cuonzo can't take two years to get his system implemented under the next group of starters. If Stokes leaves, it is going to be a long year.
 
#95
#95
Roustabout said:
UT being ranked what they were under Pearl is amazing when you look at the talent.
Chism was Pearl's best big and he would not have started for this team. Pearl built UT with transfers. Basically duct tape and bailing wire, until the facilities were upgraded and UT became enough of a name to recruit higher ranked players like Tobias and Stokes.

Cuonzo can't take two years to get his system implemented under the next group of starters. If Stokes leaves, it is going to be a long year.
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You have absolutely no idea about basketball if you think that is true. So Chism wouldn't start over Maymon? That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements ever. Pearl inherited a freshman AA SG, NBA pg and a five star and four star big man.
 
#96
#96
aaronvol said:
do people not understand what pearl did his last year here...the ride was ending. he won 19 games with hopson (who never developed), first round player tobias harris, hall, maymon, golden, fields, goins, woolridge, mcrae, mcbee, and little steven. when a majority of those guys left, cuonzo had to build off of nothing. so tired of crappy tennessee fans who have nothing better to do than complain...bunch of middle aged men sitting around with their lives in a trash can looking for something to hold onto so they can get their exciting little thrills of playing "exciting" basketball while only winning 19 games. crap if you ask me.
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McRae, Stokes, and Maymon weren't exactly "nothing".

Revisionist history at work as usual here at VN.
 
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#97
#97
JonGrudensAgent said:
McRae, Stokes, and Maymon weren't exactly "nothing".

Revisionist history at work as usual here at VN.
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They were nothing when Martin came. He made them something. Stokes wasn't left him either, he recruited him. Maymon averaged 2.2 ppg and McRae 1.8.
 
#98
#98
k-town_king said:
They were nothing when Martin came. He made them something. Stokes wasn't left him either, he recruited him. Maymon averaged 2.2 ppg and McRae 1.8.
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this is college....guys step after guys depart all the time....maymon, mcrae, and golden were all talented left overs when he got here.
 
#99
#99
k-town_king said:
They were nothing when Martin came. He made them something. Stokes wasn't left him either, he recruited him. Maymon averaged 2.2 ppg and McRae 1.8.
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just like Hubbs this yr.....didnt do much even when healthy but most expect much more in the yrs to come.
 
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