Marquette after Cuonzo Martin Per ESPN

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BigZiti09 said:
I've said this before on here.... Fans will make excuses for coaches they believe can win. On the flip side, fans will blame every mishap on coaches that they don't believe in.

Human nature.
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Doesn't mean they're right, in either instance.
 
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k-town_king said:
I liked Bruce and I like Martin. But if the anti Martin posters can bring up Bruce all year after every loss and proclaim how Bruce would have done so much better I can point out where and when Martin does better. The fact is in those situations Bruce's teams usually gave up. Including his last game when Michigan beat them by 30 in the NCAAs.
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Instead of guessing what might have happened just look at the facts.

Bruce Pearl - 6 years and 6 NCAA Tourneys. 2 Sweet 16 and 1 Elite 8. 3 SEC East Titles(Memphis, Texas and Kansas games were also program changing wins)
Cuanzo Martin - 3 years and 1 NCAA Tourney, 1 Sweet 16
Jerry Green - 4 years and 4 NCAA Tourneys, 1 Sweet 16. 2 SEC East Titles

I hope he stays because we should have a good team next year and be able to make another run. His Sweet 16 run earns him an extension but I'm far from letting just an appearance in the NCAA earn you anything(See Jerry Green). Let's not rewrite history when comparing him to Bruce. You are what your record says you are!
 
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TheDirector said:
Instead of guessing what might have happened just look at the facts.

Bruce Pearl - 6 years and 6 NCAA Tourneys. 2 Sweet 16 and 1 Elite 8. 3 SEC East Titles(Memphis, Texas and Kansas games were also program changing wins)
Cuanzo Martin - 3 years and 1 NCAA Tourney, 1 Sweet 16
Jerry Green - 4 years and 4 NCAA Tourneys, 1 Sweet 16. 2 SEC East Titles

I hope he stays because we should have a good team next year and be able to make another run. His Sweet 16 run earns him an extension but I'm far from letting just an appearance in the NCAA earn you anything(See Jerry Green). Let's not rewrite history when comparing him to Bruce. You are what your record says you are!
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Pointing out what Pearl did those years still doesn't prove anything about what he would or would not have done with this team. It still guessing, because you have no way to prove it one way or another.
 
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Sweet 16 or not, we had only one great win all year. Winning three in the tourney was nice, but it's not like we beat a stellar trio--iowa was reeling at the end of the year, umass was a nice win over a team that was decent but nothing special...and mercer. I think we had as much talent as michigan--didn't play well.
 
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Vol4Real said:
Stupid talk by some posters. This man just took our team to an unexpected sweet 16 and some of you are happy if he leaves. Look, Bruce is not walking thru that Orange door and it might be in another 3 year drought if we do not get a quality replacement for CCM (if he leaves). I rather have CCM back next year because the player have bought into his system. I also do not see our athletic department opening up the purse to pay a quality nationally know coach.
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I respectfully disagree on one point. I expected this team to make the Sweet 16 this year based on the talent level and veteran presence. I am more surprised at the route it took to get there. Some quality wins, tough losses, and a few major let-downs. I appreciate the professionalism of Coach Martin and how he has kept this team focused despite a lot of negativity. I would hope he stays -- to not have another coaching change and so that we reap the benefits of him growing as a coach. He still has room to grow. He is not Coach K, B. Donovan, or Izzo, but he is a solid man and coach. We could do a lot worse. All that being said, I was a lot more on the fence with him 2 weeks ago. He has given me signs of hope though. VFL!
 
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armchair said:
Sweet 16 or not, we had only one great win all year. Winning three in the tourney was nice, but it's not like we beat a stellar trio--iowa was reeling at the end of the year, umass was a nice win over a team that was decent but nothing special...and mercer. I think we had as much talent as michigan--didn't play well.
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I've seen enough of your idiocy. I can't take anymore.
 
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Vol4Real said:
Stupid talk by some posters. This man just took our team to an unexpected sweet 16 and some of you are happy if he leaves. Look, Bruce is not walking thru that Orange door and it might be in another 3 year drought if we do not get a quality replacement for CCM (if he leaves). I rather have CCM back next year because the player have bought into his system. I also do not see our athletic department opening up the purse to pay a quality nationally know coach.
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Prior to the season it was somewhat expected. The very mediocre regular season is the only reason expectations were low.
 
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I am very agnostic on this. I said earlier when this was mentioned that Martin's stock will never be higher and I believe that. If he goes he goes, but Hart better damn well hire the right coach. IMHO Martin is not a great fit for Tennessee and before I get blasted it has nothing to do with skin color, but everything to do with firing up the fan base. We won't know for a while about Jones but he has brought fun and excitement back to football, something I am not sure Martin can do even in good times.
 
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WA_Vol said:
The timing of this could be bad for UT. By the time, Marquette finishes interviewing candidates and extends an offer, most of the good candidates this season for a head coaching job would have already had offers extended to them. Leaving UT without a good list of candidates to fill its coaching vacancy. Timing can really hurt when hiring a coach.
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Irrelevant. Good candidates don't go to programs that have first tier expectations and second tier pay and prestige. Especially when the fan bases of the program run off recruits.
 
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TheDirector said:
Instead of guessing what might have happened just look at the facts.

Bruce Pearl - 6 years and 6 NCAA Tourneys. 2 Sweet 16 and 1 Elite 8. 3 SEC East Titles(Memphis, Texas and Kansas games were also program changing wins)
Cuanzo Martin - 3 years and 1 NCAA Tourney, 1 Sweet 16
Jerry Green - 4 years and 4 NCAA Tourneys, 1 Sweet 16. 2 SEC East Titles

I hope he stays because we should have a good team next year and be able to make another run. His Sweet 16 run earns him an extension but I'm far from letting just an appearance in the NCAA earn you anything(See Jerry Green). Let's not rewrite history when comparing him to Bruce. You are what your record says you are!
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Nicely done.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fans were right to believe Pearl would win. He was a winner at every stop along the way.
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SGM was a Hat disciple, thus he would never give Bruce credit. Pearl could have won a national title and it wouldn't have been enough to get approval from SGM.
 
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#241
I really don't have an opinion on whether CCM bolts or not. I want a coach that will win here and will bring some excitement to the basketball program. That is all. If its CCM, ok.. If not, ok too.


MACKIE
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Pointing out what Pearl did those years still doesn't prove anything about what he would or would not have done with this team. It still guessing, because you have no way to prove it one way or another.
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Totally agree. I'm not trying to prove what any coach would do with any team other than the ones they actually coached. Just pointing out what previous coaches records are and everyone can decide for themselves. I said that he should get an extension for getting to the sweet 16 just like Jerry Green did when he reached the sweet 16.
 
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KingtUT said:
Prior to the season it was somewhat expected. The very mediocre regular season is the only reason expectations were low.
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Exactly, I figured we should have won 23-25 games in the regular season and had a legit shot at the sweet 16. Not many major college basketball programs get to start 3 seniors and 2 juniors these days. Especially of the caliber that we started.

The expectations were only lowered when we tanked in the regular season again.
 
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Martin has heard all the talk...He has heard about the BBB petition and the "he is on the hot seat" talk and and fans all wanting him gone so it would not surprise me one little bit if he bolts...I mean who would blame him?...The team next year is not going to be all that great so he would be right back on the hot seat if he stays...Why not go to Marquette and get a new start and extend your career...All makes sense to me....Ben Howland, Come on down!
 
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And I thought there were some dumb asses over on the football forum. Hell, they're Rhodes Scholars compared to some of these jack nuts.
 
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And every hater gets his wish! Wonder if that will be the same people celebrating when Pearl comes back to TN in three years! Oh no you can't do that......Ask The Lane Train!
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I am very agnostic on this. I said earlier when this was mentioned that Martin's stock will never be higher and I believe that. If he goes he goes, but Hart better damn well hire the right coach. IMHO Martin is not a great fit for Tennessee and before I get blasted it has nothing to do with skin color, but everything to do with firing up the fan base. We won't know for a while about Jones but he has brought fun and excitement back to football, something I am not sure Martin can do even in good times.
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Theres been 235 comments before yours and most of them are anti CM and not one has mentioned color. For some reason you think we believe you dont like him because of his skin color? Why even bring it up?
 
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TheDirector said:
Totally agree. I'm not trying to prove what any coach would do with any team other than the ones they actually coached. Just pointing out what previous coaches records are and everyone can decide for themselves. I said that he should get an extension for getting to the sweet 16 just like Jerry Green did when he reached the sweet 16.
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Gotcha.:good!:
 
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#250
I hope CCM stays, but I certainty wouldn't blame him if he would say, screw you Vols "fans" and leaves
 
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