Mark Pope

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It's not usually a good idea. Peyton Manning is not stupid and it shows.
Who said he was stupid? I'm not sure what you mean. Him not being stupid doesn't mean he'd be a good coach. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Sooner or later, things happen with any coach and they get heat. Stupid or not. Very few coaches end on a good note, no matter who they are. Having it be a beloved former player makes it even harder for everyone.
 
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I think he gets a pass this year due to building a team on the fly and the injuries they've dealt with, but if his trend of having bad defensive teams like he had at BYU continues here, he's not going to be around a long time.

Winning 20+ games and not making it out of the first weekend might fly at BYU, but it will have you on the chopping block in a hurry in Lexington.
 
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For the record, I think the jury is still out on Pope. I never expected him to come in and light the world on fire immediately the way Calipari did, but he does encapsulate the culture and program pride that Kentucky fans finally longed for the longer the transient Calipari model wore thin on them. He's going to get a few years to prove himself and build the program his way, but his ultimate fate will be decided in the NCAAT, where he has never won a game, yet, in his coaching career spanning 9 years.

That being said, Saturday afternoon (prior to the UK-Ark game), I had a friend of mine who is a big UK fan approach me with the idea that he didn't understand how Pope wasn't the obvious frontrunner for COY given the circumstances he took over. 96 hours later, and that take has not aged well. Of course, I disagreed even before the consecutive losses, but also because rebuilding is so much easier, now. This person tried to argue that he had to replace the whole team...yada yada yada. I said why not Mark Byington, then? He replaced all 13 players at Vandy and beat UK and has a better record. I said why not Dennis Gates? He went 0-18 in the SEC last year, and is currently 17-4, 6-2 and ranked 15th in the nation. Then the goalposts shifted to the amount of pressure there is to win at UK compared to other places. Of course, I refuted by noting that pressure to win exists everywhere and isn't a factor taken into consideration in COY voting.
 
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To me, he's very similar to Deboer for Bama football. Successful in a weaker conference, but not ready for the big leagues.
 
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It's why I've always thought it's a bad idea to bring beloved former players back as coaches. Sooner or later, it goes sour and ruins the shine.
As someone who went back and coached at their alma mater, I would never suggest it.

They will never be as loyal to you as you are to them!
 
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Who said he was stupid? I'm not sure what you mean. Him not being stupid doesn't mean he'd be a good coach. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Sooner or later, things happen with any coach and they get heat. Stupid or not. Very few coaches end on a good note, no matter who they are. Having it be a beloved former player makes it even harder for everyone.

He’s smart enough to not tarnish the Manning brand by taking a head coaching position and eventually flaming out.
 
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Popes point guard injuries and thier PG absence for last three games is huge problem for Cats. Get them back and Cats might be back in the thick of it
Pope seems to be dropping hints that they won’t get Butler or Kriisa back this year though.
 
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He is doing an alright job with the roster he has. The problem is that Kentucky expects to be the best competing for championships.

To me though, Pope is a guy that can make a subpar program pretty good, but never actually take them to a championship. His style can beat anyone, but also lose to anyone. Too many unathletic shooters. They have one way to beat you, but that's it.
 
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Pope seems to be dropping hints that they won’t get Butler or Kriisa back this year though.
That's the rumor up here in KY. Kriisa is all but a forgone conclusion. Butler is a huge loss for them if he does miss the rest of the season.
 
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For the record, I think the jury is still out on Pope. I never expected him to come in and light the world on fire immediately the way Calipari did, but he does encapsulate the culture and program pride that Kentucky fans finally longed for the longer the transient Calipari model wore thin on them. He's going to get a few years to prove himself and build the program his way, but his ultimate fate will be decided in the NCAAT, where he has never won a game, yet, in his coaching career spanning 9 years.

That being said, Saturday afternoon (prior to the UK-Ark game), I had a friend of mine who is a big UK fan approach me with the idea that he didn't understand how Pope wasn't the obvious frontrunner for COY given the circumstances he took over. 96 hours later, and that take has not aged well. Of course, I disagreed even before the consecutive losses, but also because rebuilding is so much easier, now. This person tried to argue that he had to replace the whole team...yada yada yada. I said why not Mark Byington, then? He replaced all 13 players at Vandy and beat UK and has a better record. I said why not Dennis Gates? He went 0-18 in the SEC last year, and is currently 17-4, 6-2 and ranked 15th in the nation. Then the goalposts shifted to the amount of pressure there is to win at UK compared to other places. Of course, I refuted by noting that pressure to win exists everywhere and isn't a factor taken into consideration in COY voting.
Another coach did that right down the road from Pope. Pat Kelsey.
 
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For the record, I think the jury is still out on Pope. I never expected him to come in and light the world on fire immediately the way Calipari did, but he does encapsulate the culture and program pride that Kentucky fans finally longed for the longer the transient Calipari model wore thin on them. He's going to get a few years to prove himself and build the program his way, but his ultimate fate will be decided in the NCAAT, where he has never won a game, yet, in his coaching career spanning 9 years.

That being said, Saturday afternoon (prior to the UK-Ark game), I had a friend of mine who is a big UK fan approach me with the idea that he didn't understand how Pope wasn't the obvious frontrunner for COY given the circumstances he took over. 96 hours later, and that take has not aged well. Of course, I disagreed even before the consecutive losses, but also because rebuilding is so much easier, now. This person tried to argue that he had to replace the whole team...yada yada yada. I said why not Mark Byington, then? He replaced all 13 players at Vandy and beat UK and has a better record. I said why not Dennis Gates? He went 0-18 in the SEC last year, and is currently 17-4, 6-2 and ranked 15th in the nation. Then the goalposts shifted to the amount of pressure there is to win at UK compared to other places. Of course, I refuted by noting that pressure to win exists everywhere and isn't a factor taken into consideration in COY voting.
At the halfway point of the conference, I don’t think anyone has did a better job than Gates. I agree with your assessment.
 
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I think he gets a pass this year due to building a team on the fly and the injuries they've dealt with, but if his trend of having bad defensive teams like he had at BYU continues here, he's not going to be around a long time.

Winning 20+ games and not making it out of the first weekend might fly at BYU, but it will have you on the chopping block in a hurry in Lexington.
The fan base will turn on him in year 3 unless he shows that he gets help as a defensive coach. He is already being doubted. He has never won an NCAA tournament game. If they free fall the back half, the rumblings will begin. He’s dealing with a fan base that thinks they should win every game and national championships should come easily. Kansas and Duke fans cannot compare to their delusional fans. It’s unreal.
 
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He’s smart enough to not tarnish the Manning brand by taking a head coaching position and eventually flaming out.
Even if he somehow could guarantee success as a football coach, I'm not sure why he'd want to do it. He has a business and marketing empire that generates no telling how much income. Why work 90-100 hour weeks to make a few million dollars a year coaching football?
 
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Who said he was stupid? I'm not sure what you mean. Him not being stupid doesn't mean he'd be a good coach. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Sooner or later, things happen with any coach and they get heat. Stupid or not. Very few coaches end on a good note, no matter who they are. Having it be a beloved former player makes it even harder for everyone.
Peyton isn't stupid... he didn't put legendary status on the line to come for a coaching experiment begging by a lot of fans.
 
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Peyton isn't stupid... he didn't put legendary status on the line to come for a coaching experiment begging by a lot of fans.
Exactly. He isn't stupid. I am not suggesting he would or should. I just said noone knows if he'd be a good coach or not , but people suggesting former players coach here just because they played here is stupid. The idea of hiring Peyton as a coach here isn't smart to me.(Hiring anyone with no experience wouldn't be smart imo, but my post wasn't even about Peyton ,I was responding to something else while saying that hiring former players rarely ends well. someone else mentioned Peyton) He's not dumb enough to do it and we aren't dumb enough to do it. Would be dumb all around. IMO
 
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Pope seems to be dropping hints that they won’t get Butler or Kriisa back this year though.
That's the rumor up here in KY. Kriisa is all but a forgone conclusion. Butler is a huge loss for them if he does miss the rest of the season.
If these rumors are true KY fans should be bracing for some more losses. Teams will be taking advantage of them having to play a 3rd string PG. You can only cover up for bot having one for so long. We managed to win two or three after ZZ went down year before last, but ultimately not having a true pg got us.

Ky still has some pretty tough games scheduled. I believe they play Missouri last game of the season. I think Missouri has their way with them, IMO.
 
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Exactly. He isn't stupid. I am not suggesting he would or should. I just said noone knows if he'd be a good coach or not , but people suggesting former players coach here just because they played here is stupid. The idea of hiring Peyton as a coach here isn't smart to me.(Hiring anyone with no experience wouldn't be smart imo, but my post wasn't even about Peyton ,I was responding to something else while saying that hiring former players rarely ends well. someone else mentioned Peyton) He's not dumb enough to do it and we aren't dumb enough to do it. Would be dumb all around. IMO

Yes. Coaching tenures seem to usually not end well. Even for the highly successful coaches. Fulmer. Majors. Woody Hayes. Bobby Knight. Bear Bryant. Billy Martin about 6x. Don Shula. Tom Landry.
 
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