Mark Jones vs. Charles Woodson

[utvol0427]

The other thread talking about Ainge winning the heisman got me thinking about Peyton losing to Woodson. I have heard before that Mark Jones numbers from 2003 were very comparable to that of Woodson's in 1997, so I decided to research the stats for the two players.


Charles Woodson:

5 Rush 41 Yards 8.2 Avg. 0 TD
12 Rec. 238 Yards 19.8 Avg. 2 TD
36 PR 302 Yards 8.4 Avg. 1 TD
27 Tack 1 Sack 8 INT


Mark Jones:

7 Rush 65 Yards 9.2 Avg. 0 TD
35 Rec. 556 Yards 15.9 Avg. 5 TD
20 PR 303 Yards 15.1 Avg. 1 TD
20 Tack 0 Sack 2 INT


I thought these were interesting and figured I would share them with you all. Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[volinbham]

Mark Jones got screwed!!!

 

[OWB]

Jones wasn't on a NC team, there's the difference.

 

[Jasongivm6]

It was probably that 1 sack M Jones didn't get.

 

[utvol0427]

Jones wasn't on a NC team, there's the difference.

Exactly. And that point proves how big of a joke the Heisman has become.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

It was probably that 1 sack M Jones didn't get.

Or maybe the six less picks he had?

 

[Jasongivm6]

Or maybe the six less picks he had?

No. It was probably just the sack he didn't get.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Jones wasn't on a NC team, there's the difference.

Heisman is given out before the NC game...

 

[utvol0427]

Or maybe the six less picks he had?

What about the 300+ yards receiving that Mark Jones had. I in no way think that Mark Jones should have won the Heisman, or even been considered for it, I just think the numbers show that Woodson shouldn't have won it either.

 

[utvolpj]

Or maybe the six less picks he had?

Completely offset by the huge difference in catches and yards plus MJ has 2x the TD's.

The difference was a 1-handed int that Woodson made vs. OSU(?).

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

What about the 300+ yards receiving that Mark Jones had. I in no way think that Mark Jones should have won the Heisman, or even been considered for it, I just think the numbers show that Woodson shouldn't have won it either.

As was said earlier in this thread or the Ainge thread the Heisman has become a complete "Hype Machine," nothing more and nothing less...

 

[utvol0427]

The difference was a 1-handed int that Woodson made vs. OSU(?).

We should have awarded Deon the Heisman for his one handed pick against UF in '98.

 

[utvol0427]

As was said earlier in this thread or the Ainge thread the Heisman has become a complete "Hype Machine," nothing more and nothing less...

I agree, I just think the numbers were interesting and wanted to throw them out there.

 

[OWB]

Heisman is given out before the NC game...

Did you have any doubt that Ohio State wasn't going to play in the NC this year?

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Jones wasn't on a NC team, there's the difference.

Just referring to that....

Maybe I read it wrong, I read it as he wasn't on a team that won the NC...excuse me...:hi:

 

[Jaytrain5]

Completely offset by the huge difference in catches and yards plus MJ has 2x the TD's.

The difference was a 1-handed int that Woodson made vs. OSU(?).

I think the difference was that Woodson's punt return for a touchdown came at a pivotal moment in a critical game against rival Ohio St. It's not fair, but all you really need to win the Heisman is to play on a national championship caliber team, and a signature moment in a big game.

 

[justingroves]

I think the difference was that Woodson's punt return for a touchdown came at a pivotal moment in a critical game against rival Ohio St. It's not fair, but all you really need to win the Heisman is to play on a national championship caliber team, and a signature moment in a big game.

Yeah, and strike the Heisman pose in the endzone

 

[utvol0427]

Yeah, and strike the Heisman pose in the endzone

and be backed by ESPN and all of the other media outlets.

 

[The Dude]

I think the difference was that Woodson's punt return for a touchdown came at a pivotal moment in a critical game against rival Ohio St. It's not fair, but all you really need to win the Heisman is to play on a national championship caliber team, and a signature moment in a big game.

Johnny Majors lost the Heisman Trophy to Paul Hornung, who starred for Notre Dame. That year Notre Dame had a losing record. To date, this is the only time the Heisman Trophy has been awarded to a player on a losing team.

Let the damn yankees have their boring award.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Jones wasn't on a NC team, there's the difference.

Yeah, strong work Woodson did against that WAZZU powerhouse guided by Leaf

 

[utvol0427]

Johnny Majors lost the Heisman Trophy to Paul Hornung, who starred for Notre Dame. That year Notre Dame had a losing record. To date, this is the only time the Heisman Trophy has been awarded to a player on a losing team.

Let the damn yankees have their boring award.

It has always baffled me that the one and only time a player from a losing team one the Heisman, he beat out someone from UT.:banghead2:

 

[tvolsfan]

It was probably that 1 sack M Jones didn't get.

It was probably that Woodson was the best shut down corner in the country, and made the big plays at the right times.

 

[allvol]

I think the difference was that Woodson's punt return for a touchdown came at a pivotal moment in a critical game against rival Ohio St. It's not fair, but all you really need to win the Heisman is to play on a national championship caliber team, and a signature moment in a big game.

I think you nailed it.