Marijuana -vs- Alcohol

which do you like better?


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You're not judging anyone yet choose to ignore the medical data. If I hadn't freely admitted to it, how would you know if I used it recreationally or medicinally? What if I had terminal cancer and used it to help with my pain? What if I was going through chemo and couldn't keep a meal down without marijuana to ease my nausea? I admitted to being a recreational user, but if I hadn't, how does your "just smoking to get high" fit into that scenario. You don't know me from jack, so if one of the aformentioned scenarios had been true, you would absolutely be judging me.

And ftr. I don't smoke, chew, dip or anything else with tobacco.

As for economics, think about it and get back to me. Surely you don't want a pothead doing your thinking for you? If you can't see the picture with a little effort, maybe then I'll paint it for you, but surely you're intelligent enough to see where legalization could have huge ramifications on the economy.

BTW, please bring some facts to your posts. If I can do it after killing my brains cells, then surely you can too.

It was laughed at earlier when I mentioned cancer treatment. Seriously if you have terminal cancer what does it matter what drugs you do. If you wanna believe pot alleviates pain & there's nothing else you could take for nausea or to help keep food down then believe that. I thought this thread was about it being better than alchohol but this is where it always goes. All these phantom benefits & medicinal uses & other bs when the plain truth is you smoke it to get high. Your economic plan was exactly what I expected.
 
It's simple why one is legal & the other isn't. One can be regulated & it's impossible to regulate the other.

How is alcohol regulated via all the bootleggers still in existence? Anyone can grow and distribute pot. And, anyone can make and distribute alcohol.
 
How is alcohol regulated via all the bootleggers still in existence? Anyone can grow and distribute pot. And, anyone can make and distribute alcohol.

Lol. Not sure if serious. I know there's bootlegging still in existence but it's virtually non-existent compared drugs. I would venture to say the majority of folks who enjoy a drink on occasion doesn't go to a bootlegger.
 
It was laughed at earlier when I mentioned cancer treatment. Seriously if you have terminal cancer what does it matter what drugs you do. If you wanna believe pot alleviates pain & there's nothing else you could take for nausea or to help keep food down then believe that. I thought this thread was about it being better than alchohol but this is where it always goes. All these phantom benefits & medicinal uses & other bs when the plain truth is you smoke it to get high. Your economic plan was exactly what I expected.

I think the large majority of users smoke it to get high. No other reason. But, I think they rebut with all the other positive uses to try to enlighten others that there are recognized benefits of it. Unlike, alcohol.
 
Lol. Not sure if serious. I know there's bootlegging still in existence but it's virtually non-existent compared drugs. I would venture to say the majority of folks who enjoy a drink on occasion doesn't go to a bootlegger.

I would say a lot still do. Otherwise, the bootlegger wouldn't exist.
 
I would say a lot still do. Otherwise, the bootlegger wouldn't exist.

I wouldn't say a lot but everybody likes to have a jar around for special occasions. It doesn't knock a dent in the government's pocket though & they have even came out with weaker versions of moonshine that they sell at liquor stores. I mean if you get caught with bootlegged alchohol there will be pretty bad consequences just like with any illegal substance there's nothing to argue there. Without quoting your previous post, everybody understands the material uses of hemp whether it's paper, fabric, lotion, or whatever. That has nothing to do with why anybody smokes it's though & I don't entirely buy into the medicinal reasons.
 
Lol. Not sure if serious. I know there's bootlegging still in existence but it's virtually non-existent compared drugs. I would venture to say the majority of folks who enjoy a drink on occasion doesn't go to a bootlegger.

Bootleggers still exist, but not in the numbers of those who grow pot. Hmmm.... I wonder why that might be? It's called accessibility.

As for your other posts, you're disappointing me. I'm trying to give you a chance to prove Sparty wrong, but so far, all you've done is confirm his assessment of your intelligence. Tell you what, I'll paint the first stroke, then we'll see where you go from there. Taxes.
 
I wouldn't say a lot but everybody likes to have a jar around for special occasions. It doesn't knock a dent in the government's pocket though & they have even came out with weaker versions of moonshine that they sell at liquor stores. I mean if you get caught with bootlegged alchohol there will be pretty bad consequences just like with any illegal substance there's nothing to argue there. Without quoting your previous post, everybody understands the material uses of hemp whether it's paper, fabric, lotion, or whatever. That has nothing to do with why anybody smokes it's though & I don't entirely buy into the medicinal reasons.

Did you skip post 330? Most people smoke pot to get high. Everyone drinks alcohol to get a buzz or get drunk. I don't think there's any question about either.
 
It was laughed at earlier when I mentioned cancer treatment. Seriously if you have terminal cancer what does it matter what drugs you do. If you wanna believe pot alleviates pain & there's nothing else you could take for nausea or to help keep food down then believe that. I thought this thread was about it being better than alchohol but this is where it always goes. All these phantom benefits & medicinal uses & other bs when the plain truth is you smoke it to get high. Your economic plan was exactly what I expected.

Just to address the bold part, have you ever been drunk? Have you ever been high? If you haven't experienced both, then you have no valid reason for posting in the thread, as you cannot possibly have an opinion on which is better as it has to do with the experience itself. Now, if the arguement is which is better or worse on the body, then the arguements I've made are completely valid points relating to the issue at hand.
 
I wouldn't say a lot but everybody likes to have a jar around for special occasions. It doesn't knock a dent in the government's pocket though & they have even came out with weaker versions of moonshine that they sell at liquor stores. I mean if you get caught with bootlegged alchohol there will be pretty bad consequences just like with any illegal substance there's nothing to argue there. Without quoting your previous post, everybody understands the material uses of hemp whether it's paper, fabric, lotion, or whatever. That has nothing to do with why anybody smokes it's though & I don't entirely buy into the medicinal reasons.

Hopefully, you'll never have to, but you not believing in them has nothing to do with whether they exist or not.
 
Bootleggers still exist, but not in the numbers of those who grow pot. Hmmm.... I wonder why that might be? It's called accessibility.

As for your other posts, you're disappointing me. I'm trying to give you a chance to prove Sparty wrong, but so far, all you've done is confirm his assessment of your intelligence. Tell you what, I'll paint the first stroke, then we'll see where you go from there. Taxes.


Bootleggers don't exist because there's no need for them. I think that's what you were trying to say & you're right. You can buy just about any alcoholic drink you want at the local liquor store & more. Guess what? The amount of alcohol in it is regulated as well as the taxes. A bottle Jack Daniels or a can of beer doesn't grow on a tree though there's a pretty extensive process to it unlike pot. It's an industry. How is an industry gonna survive when all a person has to do is plant a seed? How would it be regulated? Do you think drug dealers are just gonna give up or take measures to stay in business? Do you think the government is gonna unleash the most potent weed there is? No. Y'all habitual smokers aren't gonna go for some bland basic weed. Any benefit the government could possibly get wouldn't be worth the hassle of enforcing it.
 
If we want to get technical, then alcohol has been used medicinally in the past as well. Before the advent of modern anesthetics, inebreation helped dull the pain of surgery on the battlefield. Of course that was before they knew alcohol thinned the blood, making clotting more difficult.
 
Bootleggers don't exist because there's no need for them. I think that's what you were trying to say & you're right. You can buy just about any alcoholic drink you want at the local liquor store & more. Guess what? The amount of alcohol in it is regulated as well as the taxes. A bottle Jack Daniels or a can of beer doesn't grow on a tree though there's a pretty extensive process to it unlike pot. It's an industry. How is an industry gonna survive when all a person has to do is plant a seed? How would it be regulated? Do you think drug dealers are just gonna give up or take measures to stay in business? Do you think the government is gonna unleash the most potent weed there is? No. Y'all habitual smokers aren't gonna go for some bland basic weed. Any benefit the government could possibly get wouldn't be worth the hassle of enforcing it.
A lot of people buying some nasty and bland alcohol. People are going to buy what they want and can afford in either case. Quality of either is not an argument or debatable point.
 
If we want to get technical, then alcohol has been used medicinally in the past as well. Before the advent of modern anesthetics, inebreation helped dull the pain of surgery on the battlefield. Of course that was before they knew alcohol thinned the blood, making clotting more difficult.

And, cocaine....highly accepted before the turn of the century.
 
A lot of people buying some nasty and bland alcohol. People are going to buy what they want and can afford in either case. Quality of either is not an argument or debatable point.

So you think government weed will be cheaper or will Hector lower his price or stop selling?
 
If we want to get technical, then alcohol has been used medicinally in the past as well. Before the advent of modern anesthetics, inebreation helped dull the pain of surgery on the battlefield. Of course that was before they knew alcohol thinned the blood, making clotting more difficult.

Technical? I'm not living in the past or trying to justify something by deflecting
 
So you think government weed will be cheaper or will Hector lower his price or stop selling?

I think it would be competitive but highly taxed. Potency would be more across the norm rather than quality being up and down. I think legalization and regulation would stifle, if not stop, the flow of illegal pot coming into the country. So, it confounds me as to why the government wouldn't do that.
 
So that's why you smoke & don't drink?

I smoke weed and drink alcohol. I've freely admitted to doing both recreationally. For you to say it's wrong is to judge me. You previously stated you weren't judging, remember? The question is, which arguement do you wish to debate? If you want to debate which is a better experience, then you need to have experienced both. If you have not, you have no arguement to make. If you want to argue which is more harmful, the answer is alcohol. Alcohol has been shown to lead to many fatalities, marijuana has not. If you want to argue which is more beneficial, the answer is marijuana, it has been shown to have many more uses. So which arguement is it that you wish to pursue?

Bootleggers don't exist because there's no need for them. I think that's what you were trying to say & you're right. You can buy just about any alcoholic drink you want at the local liquor store & more. Guess what? The amount of alcohol in it is regulated as well as the taxes. A bottle Jack Daniels or a can of beer doesn't grow on a tree though there's a pretty extensive process to it unlike pot. It's an industry. How is an industry gonna survive when all a person has to do is plant a seed? How would it be regulated? Do you think drug dealers are just gonna give up or take measures to stay in business? Do you think the government is gonna unleash the most potent weed there is? No. Y'all habitual smokers aren't gonna go for some bland basic weed. Any benefit the government could possibly get wouldn't be worth the hassle of enforcing it.

You can buy alcohol up to 190 proof, that means it's 95% alcohol. I'm sure that 5% is a big deal(please note the sarcasm). As for the rest, Al Capone and other gangsters of the time had a field day with Prohibition, yet when alcohol was legalized again, their power and influence diminished greatly. As for potency of weed, that statement alone shows how ignorant you are on the subject. BTW, ignorant means uneducated, not stupid, so you can save your indignation on that one. Weed would be very much like alcohol in that a variety would be offered. There are countless of strains out there. There might be some home growers, just as there are home brewers, but the majority of the public that smokes weed would be happy to go down to the local pot store and pick up a strain, or a brownie, or a cookie, or any of a variety of other treats that can contain marijuana. The masses would rather take the simple route than do it themselves. How much of the public grows their own food?

Personally, I think you must have seen "Reefer Madness" one too many times, because pot has nowhere near the effect you seem to think it does. It's not a hallucinogenic unless laced with something, and most smokers I know don't like lacing. It doesn't cause you to go wild and do stupid things. It doesn't make you violent. The worst I've seen it do is heighten someone's paranoia a little too much. They freaked out a little but didn't get violent or try to hurt themselves in any way. For most people, it just mellows them out.

Here's a few more brush strokes for you, how many people are in jail for selling or possessing marijuana? How many tax dollars go into locking them up over a substance that does no more harm than tobacco or alcohol?
 

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