Marijuana Is Not Linked to Car Crashes

[McDad]

Yeah I agree. Whats really unfortunate is how hard it has been for scientists to study it's properties and their benefits.

No political money in it. 90% of the garbage that the FDA approves is more harmful the weed.

 

[MercyPercy]

Am i incorrect? Everyone i know who wants to smoke does. They don't care they are breaking the law. They're smart about when they do it to minimize risk, though.

That's all well and good until you do get caught by some overzealous cop who decides to make sure everyone has a terrible day. I'm glad that the people you know who smoke don't get caught or have been lucky with the cops. But obviously a lot of people are still being absurdly subjected to arrest, court dates, and fines for smoking. And a lot of times when you're labeled as a criminal, that might affect your job. So I'm still not quite getting your overarching point here.

 

[McDad]

That's all well and good until you do get caught by some overzealous cop who decides to make sure everyone has a terrible day. I'm glad that the people you know who smoke don't get caught or have been lucky with the cops. But obviously a lot of people are still being absurdly subjected to arrest, court dates, and fines for smoking. And a lot of times when you're labeled as a criminal, that might affect your job. So I'm still not quite getting your overarching point here.

I do understand that. I think it sux for those folks. My brother is labeled for life bc of it. Seems to me, and i admit i have a limited amount of knowledge on this topic, the people who get caught are kinda stupid about it. Get all jittery at a routine traffic stop, have friends that got PO'ed and narced on them.

 

[n_huffhines]

I know self employeed people like doctors, business owners who smoke. Even in Colorado, a person can be terminated for testing positive. Legality and employment dont go hand in hand.

Of course self-employed people smoke. We're talking about everybody, and not everybody can be self-employed.

Legality and employment don't go hand in hand, but employment limitations will drastically change with legality.

If your employer doesn't care if you smoke, but you go to jail for 10 days for getting busted, your career is threatened. One way or another, legalization will make a huge difference for users and potential users. It's insanity to say otherwise.

 

[govols/cc]

I do understand that. I think it sux for those folks. My brother is labeled for life bc of it. Seems to me, and i admit i have a limited amount of knowledge on this topic, the people who get caught are kinda stupid about it. Get all jittery at a routine traffic stop, have friends that got PO'ed and narced on them.

Guess Anderson isn't aware there's always a choice not to smoke or he can always move.

 

[govols/cc]

Of course self-employed people smoke. We're talking about everybody, and not everybody can be self-employed.

Legality and employment don't go hand in hand, but employment limitations will drastically change with legality.

If your employer doesn't care if you smoke, but you go to jail for 10 days for getting busted, your career is threatened. One way or another, legalization will make a huge difference for users and potential users. It's insanity to say otherwise.

Employment limitations won't change. Weigh your options and take the risk....or don't.

 

[McDad]

Of course self-employed people smoke. We're talking about everybody, and not everybody can be self-employed.

Legality and employment don't go hand in hand, but employment limitations will drastically change with legality.

If your employer doesn't care if you smoke, but you go to jail for 10 days for getting busted, your career is threatened. One way or another, legalization will make a huge difference for users and potential users. It's insanity to say otherwise.

I am not arguing against it. I'm simply stating that people who want to smoke do so with full understanding of the risks.

what employment limitations will change?

 

[n_huffhines]

Employment limitations won't change. Weigh your options and take the risk....or don't.

When we're talking about 100+ million jobs in our economy, there will certainly be change. You can argue how much, that it won't be significant, etc. but even a marginal change affects a large number of jobs. You can't just say whatever pops in your head. The only person who buys your BS is you.

 

[n_huffhines]

I am not arguing against it. I'm simply stating that people who want to smoke do so with full understanding of the risks.

what employment limitations will change?

Companies will stop screening for marijuana. They're not scared of people who party, because they employ people who drink. Many just don't want to risk employing those that are willing to break the law. If it's no longer against the law, those specific employers have no reason to screen for it. That's one of many examples of how limitations will change.

You can't lose your license to practice law smoking legal weed.

 

[govols/cc]

When we're talking about 100+ million jobs in our economy, there will certainly be change. You can argue how much, that it won't be significant, etc. but even a marginal change affects a large number of jobs. You can't just say whatever pops in your head. The only person who buys your BS is you.

My bs? The world isn't all potheads and druggies fighting against their "opression". I'm not sure I know of any employer that would knowingly employ someone that had a habit that would affect performance or add an inkling of risk on the job.

 

[McDad]

Companies will stop screening for marijuana. They're not scared of people who party, because they employ people who drink. Many just don't want to risk employing those that are willing to break the law. If it's no longer against the law, those specific employers have no reason to screen for it. That's one of many examples of how limitations will change.

You can't lose your license to practice law smoking legal weed.

Good points. Should an employer maintain discretion on who to hire/fire as long as it doesn't violate employment law for that state?

 

[govols/cc]

Companies will stop screening for marijuana. They're not scared of people who party, because they employ people who drink. Many just don't want to risk employing those that are willing to break the law. If it's no longer against the law, those specific employers have no reason to screen for it. That's one of many examples of how limitations will change.

You can't lose your license to practice law smoking legal weed.

What a f****** ******.

 

[#VFL__]

What a f****** ******.

Do all the people in your peer circle pretty much have the same education level as you and come from the same tiny town? It really seems like it.

 

[govols/cc]

Do all the people in your peer circle pretty much have the same education level as you and come from the same tiny town? It really seems like it.

Yeah. And some smoke weed without crying about laws and realize their risk. Although most have outgrown it since high school or realized it's not worth the risk. Kinda ironic you bring up education level when you're a f****** ****** too.

 

[Obsessed]

Companies will stop screening for marijuana. They're not scared of people who party, because they employ people who drink. Many just don't want to risk employing those that are willing to break the law. If it's no longer against the law, those specific employers have no reason to screen for it. That's one of many examples of how limitations will change.

You can't lose your license to practice law smoking legal weed.

You a forgetting a big factor here, it's not only the company (if they care or not) but their insurance company's that insure the risk of the drug user.

 

[n_huffhines]

You a forgetting a big factor here, it's not only the company (if they care or not) but their insurance company's that insure the risk of the drug user.

Like the employer's insurance? Obviously, guys that drive trucks and forklifts are going to always be screened for liability reasons. I agree. I'm not saying everyone will change drug screening policies. I'm just saying some will.

Are you talking about personal insurance? Car insurance? Life insurance?

 

[govols/cc]

Like the employer's insurance? Obviously, guys that drive trucks and forklifts are going to always be screened for liability reasons. I agree. I'm not saying everyone will change drug screening policies. I'm just saying some will.

Are you talking about personal insurance? Car insurance? Life insurance?

Which companies will change policies? You're not getting in the door most places if you fail a test regardless of the job.

 

[Obsessed]

Like the employer's insurance? Obviously, guys that drive trucks and forklifts are going to always be screened for liability reasons. I agree. I'm not saying everyone will change drug screening policies. I'm just saying some will.

Are you talking about personal insurance? Car insurance? Life insurance?

I think all insurance will be affected.

General liability is what I'm mainly talking about though. Some drops a hammer on someone's head and causes great harm, some body has got to pay for it.

If legalized, then insurance companies will be forced to raise rates to offset the liability. Then in return, companies will be forced to raise prices. Then the cost is passed down to us. Just so billy can get high...

Huff I'm not against pot. I think it's dumb for it to be illegal. But I can see the finicial liability that comes along with legalization.

 

[govols/cc]

I think all insurance will be affected.

General liability is what I'm mainly talking about though. Some drops a hammer on someone's head and causes great harm, some body has got to pay for it.

If legalized, then insurance companies will be forced to raise rates to offset the liability. Then in return, companies will be forced to raise prices. Then the cost is passed down to us. Just so billy can get high...

Huff I'm not against pot. I think it's dumb for it to be illegal. But I can see the finicial liability that comes along with legalization.

Yeah but where are all the potheads gonna work after its legalized? Not all of them can tend bar or roof houses.

 

[MercyPercy]

I do understand that. I think it sux for those folks. My brother is labeled for life bc of it. Seems to me, and i admit i have a limited amount of knowledge on this topic, the people who get caught are kinda stupid about it. Get all jittery at a routine traffic stop, have friends that got PO'ed and narced on them.

People wouldn't get jittery at a traffic stop if it was legal. The cop who pulled the person over should be dealing with a traffic violation, not plants. I understand you're saying that sometimes stupid people have it coming to them, but that's not really relevant to the issue of legality.

 

[#VFL__]

Yeah. And some smoke weed without crying about laws and realize their risk. Although most have outgrown it since high school or realized it's not worth the risk. Kinda ironic you bring up education level when you're a f****** ****** too.

Yep, for the most part I think the same thing about you. Point is, when we stop arresting people for doing something that you or I think is moronic, I'll stop crying.

 

[Obsessed]

People wouldn't get jittery at a traffic stop if it was legal. The cop who pulled the person over should be dealing with a traffic violation, not plants. I understand you're saying that sometimes stupid people have it coming to them, but that's not really relevant to the issue of legality.

Leave the stuff at home. Problem solved.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think all insurance will be affected.

General liability is what I'm mainly talking about though. Some drops a hammer on someone's head and causes great harm, some body has got to pay for it.

If legalized, then insurance companies will be forced to raise rates to offset the liability. Then in return, companies will be forced to raise prices. Then the cost is passed down to us. Just so billy can get high...

Huff I'm not against pot. I think it's dumb for it to be illegal. But I can see the finicial liability that comes along with legalization.

Honestly, it should already be built into the cost of personal insurance, for the most part. They screen for it, and don't insure smokers, but that just means a smoker has to quit before the screening. Everybody pays for whatever additional liability he adds. Not the smoker himself.

If you legalize, and insure smokers, you can charge them directly for whatever the increased liability is. Right now it's all hidden. Legalization would bring some of that above ground.

 

[Obsessed]

Honestly, it should already be built into the cost of personal insurance, for the most part. They screen for it, and don't insure smokers, but that just means a smoker has to quit before the screening. Everybody pays for whatever additional liability he adds. Not the smoker himself.

If you legalize, and insure smokers, you can charge them directly for whatever the increased liability is. Right now it's all hidden. Legalization would bring some of that above ground.

I don't believe smoking cigerrettes falls on to a general liability policy.

I carried 2million in GL insurance as required per my federal contracts. The only thing asked was for a "illegal drug use policy"

I don't know how your fitting in smokers in this.

 

[MercyPercy]

Leave the stuff at home. Problem solved.

I guess you think there's a weed teleporter that allows it to get from point A to point B through thin air. Fascinating.