Manning linked to HGH by Documentary (key witness has recanted)

[volfanhill]

I believe that well over 90% of NFL players take some form of PEDs. There is no way the natural human body can take that kind of abuse over a 4-6 month stretch without some help IMO.

So, it is likely that PM did too, and this is much about nothing.

Correct

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I dont think you know whats going on here, Huff didnt write this.

I agree with you BearCat. In my experience especially since era 45 the follwing is too often fact. People who automatically claim a source is fake, BS, or false simply because it's contrary to what they WANT to believe, PREFER falsehoods. I hope the news is as fake as fake can be. Cause I'm a Manning fan and believe he is such a fine representative of not only UT but of what a human being should be like. I'm also not so arrogant as to auto reject the possibility he might not be what I think he is. So many heroes past and present have been shown to be tainted by greed, pride, covert misconduct and worst. It would disappoint me if Peyton ends up in this category but it wouldn't shock me. Humans are fallible by nature. Edward Hoch knew this when he penned the following:


There is so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it hardly behooves any of us
To find fault in the rest of us.

 

[Ten_Titans]

I believe that well over 90% of NFL players take some form of PEDs. There is no way the natural human body can take that kind of abuse over a 4-6 month stretch without some help IMO.

So, it is likely that PM did too, and this is much about nothing.

Every drug or supplement is a PED. No one wakes up and says "I feel too damn good today, let me take something to bring me down a notch."

Defining what constitutes a PED is something that needs to be looked at more closely by the media specifically. All PEDs aren't equal

 

[KBVol]

One need only look at Manning’s physique throughout his career to confirm that he was definitely taking performance enhancing drugs. His sunken chest, nonexistent shoulders, what appeared to be about a 20% body fat composition and a body that appeared it was 20-30 years beyond his known chronological age were all dead giveaways that he was “juicing”.....

 

[Ten_Titans]

One need only look at Manning’s physique throughout his career to confirm that he was definitely taking performance enhancing drugs. His sunken chest, nonexistent shoulders, what appeared to be about a 20% body fat composition and a body that appeared it was 20-30 years beyond his known chronological age were all dead giveaways that he was “juicing”.....

Again, define PED. Are anabolic steroids the only PED?

 

[EZE]

Every drug or supplement is a PED. No one wakes up and says "I feel too damn good today, let me take something to bring me down a notch."

Defining what constitutes a PED is something that needs to be looked at more closely by the media specifically. All PEDs aren't equal

I’m referring to HGH and anabolic steroids, not creatine , etc.

 

[omghulkhands]

One need only look at Manning’s physique throughout his career to confirm that he was definitely taking performance enhancing drugs. His sunken chest, nonexistent shoulders, what appeared to be about a 20% body fat composition and a body that appeared it was 20-30 years beyond his known chronological age were all dead giveaways that he was “juicing”.....

He was accused of doing it to heal his broken neck. Not get swole. Who can blame him, really?

 

[Dan Federman]

They claim they have the paper trail that sent the drugs to his house under his wife's name. Now, all the media will scrutinize how well he played since he was declining and has had his best seasons the last couple not including this one aka 'the Barry Bonds years'.

I hope they can prove this wrong 100 % otherwise his numbers like Bonds will forever be tainted. He is the LAST person I thought would be a cheater.

Surely if he did use PED's he would be smart enough not to have them sent to his house under his wife's name!! I call BS!

 

[golfballs]

Not saying that. Why not lump him in with other NFL juicers though? Are their any other NFL juicers, or is Peyton on an island here? That's what the article implies.

Next question is, where is this story going? Do you think the NFL career of Peyton is tarnished by him Juicing? What if it's fake news?

I don’t know but I don’t think that immediately discredits the story. Not saying I believe it either

 

[Bauce]

He done that HGH

 

[99gator]

There's only one question that's relevant.

Did he ever have a football handler release 3 PSI of air from a football before games?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So no definitive proof that Manning, nor the vast majority of the NFL doing some sort of PEDs, but they obviously have taken them. The new mantra, guilty until proven innocent. Lol.

 

[KBVol]

Again, define PED. Are anabolic steroids the only PED?

HGH for one. I’m no expert, I assume there are others. But there’s no way anyone can look at Peyton Manning and surmise he’s on any type of PEDs whatsoever. If anything, he looks like he’s allergic to em.

 

[GAVol]

HGH for one. I’m no expert, I assume there are others. But there’s no way anyone can look at Peyton Manning and surmise he’s on any type of PEDs whatsoever. If anything, he looks like he’s allergic to em.

No idea what he did or didn't take, but that's not really valid.

 

[VolBraniac]

I believe that well over 90% of NFL players take some form of PEDs. There is no way the natural human body can take that kind of abuse over a 4-6 month stretch without some help IMO.

So, it is likely that PM did too, and this is much about nothing.

The science is clear. Regardless of the intention, the results are increased power capabilities. The best athletes to express power (applied strength) are the powerlifters. PEDs usage delivers such traceable and noticeable results, it split their international competition organizations into users/non-users.

 

[Remy]

If the premise is Peyton Manning went to the best doctors to work on his neck, used the best trainers and latest techniques to get himself ready to play again following their and THE best professional advice at the time on planet that makes sense and tracks with everything we know about his recovery. Then it certainly follows he would use some sort of jackleg mail order underground drug distribution group to obtain HGH (when it could have been tap water) and use it on himself in amounts he's unqualified to professionally assess or administer as making sense, right? No it doesn't, he would toss away all previous medical advice and go with packages of God knows what on himself that comes through the mail??? That's the fig leaf everyone has to buy to promote he was using HGH through the mail.

 

[VolGee4]

Someone may know more about this, but I am pretty sure the Manning's struggled to get pregnant. Then they had twins, which is common when women receive fertility treatment. I don't know exactly what is involved, but I believe steroids can be used in that process. Anabolic steroids can also prevent a male from getting his partner pregnant.

I would never say never, but unless something else comes out, I don't think it's a huge story. I am guessing that Ashley was getting some treatment for a reason.

 

[KBVol]

No idea what he did or didn't take, but that's not really valid.

What’s not valid?

 

[GAVol]

What’s not valid?

Saying somebosy doesn't "look like they're using PEDs". The term PED is extremely nebulous and so are the effects.

 

[KBVol]

Saying somebosy doesn't "look like they're using PEDs". The term PED is extremely nebulous and so are the effects.

I suppose that’s fair enough. That said, I’ve heard a million times from players of all sports that you can tell when a guy is on something......we all can think of and know a ton of examples. And guys who are “on something” don’t typically look like Peyton Manning. Perhaps I’m simplifying it too much.

 

[VolBraniac]

I suppose that’s fair enough. That said, I’ve heard a million times from players of all sports that you can tell when a guy is on something......we all can think of and know a ton of examples. And guys who are “on something” don’t typically look like Peyton Manning. Perhaps I’m simplifying it too much.

There are no visible, physiological changes that are marked specifically for PEDs use. Great if there are, be able to record before-now-after vids and review them.

 

[KBVol]

There are no visible, physiological changes that are marked specifically for PEDs use. Great if there are, be able to record before-now-after vids and review them.

Well now that’s a bit confusing. If all they were doing is using PEDs and sitting around eating chips and watching tv then yeah, ok. But all athletes work out and condition and when coupled with PED use, there are typically noticeable differences in their physiques. Recall all the baseball players in the steroid era....the clean players were shocked when they saw guys like Brady Anderson, Len Dykstra, Darren Daulton, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Ken Caminiti, and many others show up for spring training looking like completely different dudes from 4-5 months earlier. In other words, there are plenty of before and afters to prove it.

 

[goooooovols]

First who cares...

Second imagine how much better sports would be if everyone was juicing! In all honesty the fondest memories I have of baseball is when McGuire, Sosa and Bonds were chasing history...

 

[KBVol]

First who cares...

Second imagine how much better sports would be if everyone was juicing! In all honesty the fondest memories I have of baseball is when McGuire, Sosa and Bonds were chasing history...

Haha. Agree. The homerun race between McGwire and Sosa was great. I get that it gives players an unfair advantage over those who don’t use, but if it makes the athletes bigger, stronger and faster and the athletes are willing to assume the risks in exchange for the money and fame, it’s hard to not support that as a fan. Jmo.

 

[dcm3w]

One need only look at Manning’s physique throughout his career to confirm that he was definitely taking performance enhancing drugs. His sunken chest, nonexistent shoulders, what appeared to be about a 20% body fat composition and a body that appeared it was 20-30 years beyond his known chronological age were all dead giveaways that he was “juicing”.....

Definitely not what you're getting at but he was more than like using HGH (allegedly) for his recovery. All bias aside, I'm all for people using HGH and other substances for quick recovery. As long as they don't continue to use them.