manning and garner

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GAVol said:
I agree. The past several years offer plenty of evidence without resorting to some convoluted attempt at minimizing the 90's.
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The 90's should have seen more success with the talent we had assembled. I still can't figure out how we lost to Memphis, or lost 3 games with the 1999 team.
 
#27
#27
GAVol said:
Not that it matters, but I still don't really understand why they didn't wait for the off week to do the deed. I guess the pressure just became too great.
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I guess Mike Hamilton figured the South Carolina game was the ultimate showcase of ineptitude. It'd be easier to oust Fulmer after such an atrocious performance. Who would have thought we'd find a way to top it the next week?

The decision was actually made following the Alabama game.
 
#28
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kptvol said:
Good point. You beat me to it. I was feeling good about the whole situation. Now I wish he hadn't come back to finish out the season.
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After the team's behavior Monday, coupled with Vickie Fulmer's abysmal actions, I would have been fine with forfeiting the last three games.
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hatvol96 said:
After the team's behavior Monday, coupled with Vickie Fulmer's abysmal actions, I would have been fine with forfeiting the last three games.
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What's the story on Vickie?
 
#30
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kptvol said:
I guess Mike Hamilton figured the South Carolina game was the ultimate showcase of ineptitude. It'd be easier to oust Fulmer after such an atrocious performance. Who would have thought we'd find a way to top it the next week?
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There's probably truth in that. They had to make the move after a loss.
 
#32
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volfanbill said:
-also please bear in mind who is making this statement. I think that says a lot.
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please, elaborate more. i'm not one of the guys on here that continually posts stupid statements. so, your comment is unwarranted and ridiculous.
 
#33
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GAVol said:
I'm not denying that they had a huge role in bringing in talent. I just think the whole business of minimizing anything Fulmer may have accomplished is nothing more than a way of people trying to further convince themselves that forcing him out is the right thing to do.
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forcing fulmer out should have been done in 2005.
 
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kptvol said:
The 90's should have seen more success with the talent we had assembled. I still can't figure out how we lost to Memphis, or lost 3 games with the 1999 team.
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game day coaching has never been one of cpf's strong points.
 
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thagodfather said:
cpf's career and high winning percentage is basically a sham.
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:eek:k: I don't agree with that assessment in the least. Because the two people you mention were good, then Fulmer somehow doesn't get credit for the wins? I don't understand the logic. I definitely think the team needs to go in a different direction but I'm having trouble making any sense out of what you're saying.
 
#40
#40
Wrong on Garner. Some of you guys are giving way to much attention on recruiting and not enough on player development and discipline. Those 2 areas and all they encompass have been far more detrimental to Fulmer and UT than lack of recruiting. All schools that recruit nationally are gonna have off years...that's just the way it is but quality coaching and development of talent is just as essential and can offset years where the recruiting is down.

Beside if having a team loaded with top talent guarantees you anything...just look at UGA this year or basically any year for that matter. They've still got 2 losses with probably the best recieving core, best RB and 2nd best QB in the SEC. Recruiting doesn't guarantee your anything...it does give you a leg up though and through most of Fulmers tenure, that's what he had. Just think of how many more titles we could have ahd with some good coaching. Speaking of Mannings wins...well Clausen has 35 of Fulmers wins and Martin 22 so it wasn't like Manning was all of Fulmers success either.

Back on Garner...yeah he was a great recruiter and one that helped Fulmer tremendously but folks...we've never soley relied on GA for recruiting and to further skew that class that Garner brought in...UT was Jamal Lewis's 2nd choice. If you remember UGA chose Jasper Sanks as they're number one targeted RB out of the state of GA that year...Lewis saw his best chance of PT at UT. We were bone thin at TB so we had alot of PT to sell. Frankly Stephens and Henry proved to be the better backs over history than Jamal. However Jamal's freshman year was one of the best years by a freshman RB in the SEC. Very Walkeresque.

Don't get me wrong...UT has to have a great recruiter for the next head coach, in fact probably more so than x's and o's but more importantly they need a head coach that's gonna bring in the best assistants. That's ultimately where Fulmer failed. The Sanders hire was bad, keeping Chavis was bad, hanging on to Washington for years and Slade...the list goes on. Clawson etc... Just not top hires for a top school. I'll give props to Dan Brooks though...he's coached alot of NFL talent and even in thin years at the DT position he's coached the guys up. Chavis is a fantastic LB coach but coordinator...no, you can't repeatedly give up 3rd down and be succesfull.
 
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thagodfather said:
i have stated before and i believe now more than ever that p. manning and rodney garner should be credited with the successful portion of cpf's career. those two guys were instrumental in bringing to ut the players that won the 1998 national championship for the vols. the talent level and the program has been on a down hill slide since garner left for georgia and his players went to the nfl. peyton didn't recruit but his name made recruiting a bit easier, coaches for ut have stated as such. bottom line here is, cpf's career and high winning percentage is basically a sham.
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That statement is ludicrous at best.

Garner spent two years at UT as an assistant coach (1996-97). You act as if he is the only person on the staff who recruited.

Peyton spent four as a player.

Neither was there in 1998. Garner's recruits for the most part had little impact on the 1998 NC.

Peyton would probably laugh harder and longer at your statement. Than he he did when he walked into the endzone on that bootleg against Bama.
 
#42
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thagodfather said:
please, elaborate more. i'm not one of the guys on here that continually posts stupid statements. so, your comment is unwarranted and ridiculous.
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kptvol said:
His statement refers to his record of bashing Peyton Manning.
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kpt is correct. sorry for any confusion. I do not like peyton manning and I have made that rather clear over my two years here. but i can't deny he had quite an impact on Tennessee. However, Fulmer did play a huge role himself for his almost 75% winning pct.
 
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volfanbill said:
kpt is correct. sorry for any confusion. I do not like peyton manning and I have made that rather clear over my two years here. but i can't deny he had quite an impact on Tennessee. However, Fulmer did play a huge role himself for his almost 75% winning pct.
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i sincerely apologize. i interpreted the end of your post wrong.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
That statement is ludicrous at best.

Garner spent two years at UT as an assistant coach (1996-97). You act as if he is the only person on the staff who recruited.

Peyton spent four as a player.

Neither was there in 1998. Garner's recruits for the most part had little impact on the 1998 NC.

Peyton would probably laugh harder and longer at your statement. Than he he did when he walked into the endzone on that bootleg against Bama.
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garners recruits had a huge impact on the 1998 year and the success of the manning years did also.
 
#46
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thagodfather said:
i have stated before and i believe now more than ever that p. manning and rodney garner should be credited with the successful portion of cpf's career. those two guys were instrumental in bringing to ut the players that won the 1998 national championship for the vols. the talent level and the program has been on a down hill slide since garner left for georgia and his players went to the nfl. peyton didn't recruit but his name made recruiting a bit easier, coaches for ut have stated as such. bottom line here is, cpf's career and high winning percentage is basically a sham.
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Using that logic no coach should get credit. It is simple to me. CPF brought both Garner and Manning to UT. Coaches get credit for doing that and Fulmer should get credit for getting both of them to come to UT. Period.
 
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thagodfather said:
garners recruits had a huge impact on the 1998 year and the success of the manning years did also.
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Lets get one thing clear on this whole Garner thang.

1. Ga is not the top state for college recruits.

2. Kevin Steele recruited Alabama well during his tenure here.

3. Cutcliffe was a good recruiter for the Vols

4. Cutcliffe had more to do with Fulmers success than Garner. Check out the Vols won/loss ratio with Cutcliffe here and when he was not during Fulmers tenure.

5. Fulmers ousting is a direct reflection on his success when he had Cutcliffe and offense and W's. He made a poor hire with Clawson and he was to much of a politician to can the guy early in the season and it cost him dearly.
 
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