Man, I hope Worley's ticked off...

[GAVol]

I'm trying to understand. You're saying that Worley made the throw and North made a lot of catches in the USCe game last yr. Sounds like completions to me doesn't matter how you spin it.

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

I don't know how I can make it any more simple. Worley didn't throw it well against SC, but got bailed out by a couple of crazy good catches at key times. It's not blasphemy to state the obvious . . . that Worley didn't have a good day that day getting the ball down the field and keeping the offense on the field. But, As Sjt pointed out, some of it was WR play and as ugly as it was, at least he didn't turn it over against a very good defense and we ran it well enough to put a couple of drives together.

He was actually very good a couple of weeks prior against UGA.

 

[GrowVol]

I don't think CBJ's system is much different than Oregon's. Look at Mariotta. He doesn't pull it down and run it a high percentage, either. But when he does, he has the speed and athleticism to make defenses pay a hefty price for ignoring him.

That's what we have with Dobbs, and when Jennings gets here. Jennings tape shows one play that should be an ESPN top 10 of the year. He's being converged on by several defenders, and it looks like he's just going to duck down and prepare to be tackled...but at the last second he spins out in a way that would make Houdini blush.

CBJ prefers an athlete who can sling the rock pretty well. To me, Peterman and Dormady are somewhat borderline in that regard. They are athletic ENOUGH. But it's like asking a girl to the prom. Do you want fair enough, or the prettiest girl you can get to go with you?

Personally, I don't think Worley fits that mold. He's pretty much a led-footed statue being asked to run enough to keep defenses honest...to just get a few yards. He had seniority going for him last year. That's not really an advantage for him this season.

Remember, Munchie Legeux was starting ahead of Kay (when Butch was coaching UC in 2012)...even though Kay got the nod later on in the season. That shows his preference.

Thx. This is the first Ive heard of Jennings..cant wait to chk it out.

 

[xvillevol]

I love to read this forum, but I rarely actually post. I understand Worley isn't the best QB in the SEC, but to me what matters is competing and winning. Worley obviously get much better under Dooley, but I do see progress under Jones. And while they weren't pretty this is what I remember with Worley starting: Wins against Austin-Peay and Western Kentucky. A horrible game, but decent first drive in Oregon (and I don't think anyone on UT would have done better). Jones getting nervous and putting in Peterman for the first half of Florida. I don't believe we had ANY offense until Worley was put in. A really good competitive game against Georgia, and a win against South Carolina before getting hurt and going out in Alabama. And I don't remember Bo Wallace and company doing ANY better against Alabama. So while it wasn't always pretty to watch, I thought Worley (when playing) was at least getting the job done.

I expect him to be even better and more competitive this year. I hope so, but I trust Butch to make the right decision on this position.

 

[ntxVOL]

I love to read this forum, but I rarely actually post. I understand Worley isn't the best QB in the SEC, but to me what matters is competing and winning. Worley obviously get much better under Dooley, but I do see progress under Jones. And while they weren't pretty this is what I remember with Worley starting: Wins against Austin-Peay and Western Kentucky. A horrible game, but decent first drive in Oregon (and I don't think anyone on UT would have done better). Jones getting nervous and putting in Peterman for the first half of Florida. I don't believe we had ANY offense until Worley was put in. A really good competitive game against Georgia, and a win against South Carolina before getting hurt and going out in Alabama. And I don't remember Bo Wallace and company doing ANY better against Alabama. So while it wasn't always pretty to watch, I thought Worley (when playing) was at least getting the job done.

I expect him to be even better and more competitive this year. I hope so, but I trust Butch to make the right decision on this position.

I agree. The thing that bothered me most about the Florida game was Peterman didn't appear ready at all. I can only blame CBJ for that. Hoping for better judgement for that stuff this season.

 

[CANNONVOLRUN]

Just saw this FoxSports ranking of SEC QBs and Worley's dead last at 14. Granted, Worley is not the next Manning but they rank a bunch of guys who've never started or even played in the SEC ahead of him. I hope he's really ticked off about this and plays with a chip on his shoulder this year.

Ranking the SEC quarterbacks from best to 'most to prove' | FOX Sports on MSN

I hope he is this seasons suprise player and has a great injury free senior year. He has the weapons this year. GO VOLS!!!

 

[gemlek]

Worley is worse than Bandon Allen?....wow, Allen is a steaming pile

 

[thomaseusin]

Th WRs were definitely an issue at times . . . but, come on, Worley just wasn't very good against SC. He threw for 179 and half of that was on two jump balls that North made insane catches on. In the 2nd half, other than the two jump balls, his longest completion was 6 yards.

The Pearson-Malone-Helm-Wolf additions will instantly upgrade the receiving targets for the QB, and make any QB's look better. Will those guys on the list look much better than Worley if they had our roster?

Btw Croom had a 23-yarder and Pig also had a bunch of short passes, longest going 12-yards. Not too bad considering a guy named Clowney was on a Tiny mission breathing down his neck all game long.

 

[sanglemangle]

Last year he and the receivers were learning a new offence.Hopefully year two will be more fun!

 

[CANNONVOLRUN]

Worley did not beat SC, they beat themselves, he threw one lame pass that the receiver made a great play on, and we kicked a field goal to beat them. You can say our defense beat them more than that Worley beat them, and he will be the same inconsistent passer he has always been. He will not be the starter by the end of the season, at least I hope not!

I hope you are wrong...

 

[CANNONVOLRUN]

Worley is worse than Bandon Allen?....wow, Allen is a steaming pile

You may end up eating those steaming words

 

[orangeluvr]

It's now or never for Mr. Worley , pulling hard for him to step up and lead the Vols to a winning season .

 

[Fijivol72]

Just saw this FoxSports ranking of SEC QBs and Worley's dead last at 14. Granted, Worley is not the next Manning but they rank a bunch of guys who've never started or even played in the SEC ahead of him. I hope he's really ticked off about this and plays with a chip on his shoulder this year.

Ranking the SEC quarterbacks from best to 'most to prove' | FOX Sports on MSN

We damn well need him to step up, however given his accuracy issues and past play the ranking is correct based on kids who did play last year.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

Did you actually watch the SC game? The offense was Marquez North catching jump balls. Worley didn't beat anybody. He was missing key throws all day.

I'm pretty sure I remember the one handed catch literally being put in the only place that MN could have caught it, too. All while Clowney was in JW's face and the DB had perfect coverage.

 

[sjt18]

Do you think Gibson is watching?

According to the guys over in the recruiting forum, UT and several other schools have cooled on Gibson. Supposedly there are some off the field issues.

 

[sjt18]

Dormady is only a 4* on 247. He's a 2 or 3* on all the others....so, don't be christening him the QB of the future just yet. He didn't even play last year.

Where exactly did I do that? Jennings is being recruited as an athlete who will get his first shot at QB according to folks in the recruiting forum. I have no idea where Dormady lands ends up but most seemed to think that his low ratings were a product of some svcs not having properly evaluated him. 247 has... and really like him.

What's more is, Jennings is the No.1 player from the state of TN this year (4* on most services) and looks like he fits CBJ's system better than Dormady.

He fits your misperception of CBJ's system. Jones HIMSELF has said he does NOT want a "running" QB. He just wants a guy with enough running ability to pull the read option a couple of times per game to keep D's honest. You can go on believing what you believe or you can accept what CBJ has stated.

He went through Gruden's camp here recently and got rave reviews, so HE is likely going to be the next starter after Dobbs...not Dormady.

So starters are chosen during their attendance at Gruden's camp? That's another interesting theory you have....

Dormady is probably more like Peterman...not a real threat to hurt teams when pulling the ball, but athletic enough to get some 1st downs now and then.

He's also said to have a very live arm. Like you, I've just read reports but it seems that he has that advantage over Jennings. If UT keeps loading up on WR's and TE's... you want the guy with the arm, not the legs.

Worley doesn't run the ball cause he knows he sucks at it.

Worley was effective when he ran. So he doesn't "suck at it". Regardless of why he didn't do it last year, Dobb's development will force/allow him to run more this fall.

And just like Kaepernick in the NFL...he doesn't run it a lot, but when he DOES, his speed and athleticism has the potential to break the backs of opponents and blow the game open.

That's what Dobbs and Jennings give Bajakian. Worley doesn't...period.

And yet Worley has been the starter since Bajakian stepped on campus... period. He seems to think it more important that his QB get the ball to the superior athletes they have at WR, TE, and RB.

 

[GAVol]

And yet Worley has been the starter since Bajakian stepped on campus... period. He seems to think it more important that his QB get the ball to the superior athletes they have at WR, TE, and RB.

I really wish more people would understand that and get over the infatuation with running QBs. The starter is going to be the guy that can run the offense; not the guy who is best at pulling the ball on the read option.

 

[sjt18]

I agree SJT, I don't think Jones is looking for a QB that is a constant threat to run....but wanting an accurate QB that runs more than twice a season. I don't know if Worley can keep Defenses honest in regards to "run threat". Dobbs leans more that way....the little we've seen him. So, like you mentioned... athleticism is the key in addition to.......

As I've mentioned a few times, I think Worley will be forced/allowed to run more this fall due to having a good option behind him. I believe Worley had a big gainer during the O&W game against the 1st D, right?

I'm not arguing so much for him as arguing FOR what we actually see and against baseless conjecture. Worley when healthy has gone out first with the ones almost continuously since the new staff arrived. The one time he didn't... was disastrous. He apparently came out of the spring #1 with the others trailing. Dobbs was apparently #3 before the O&W game.

HOWEVER, IMO he will run more either because he can play more freely or because he has to to hang on to the job. I don't really care about the motivation so long as he does it enough to keep the D's honest.

To make the QB run stick, they also have to sell their fakes. I think Worley does that better than Dobbs at this point.

 

[sjt18]

I'm pretty sure I remember the one handed catch literally being put in the only place that MN could have caught it, too. All while Clowney was in JW's face and the DB had perfect coverage.

IMO, that pass wasn't a great throw but he was under pressure. The pass in the end zone to North was as good as you are going to see from any QB, anywhere, and anytime. Great catch on a ball that was thrown completely away from danger in the red zone. Smart and accurate.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

I agree SJT, I don't think Jones is looking for a QB that is a constant threat to run....but wanting an accurate QB that runs more than twice a season. I don't know if Worley can keep Defenses honest in regards to "run threat". Dobbs leans more that way....the little we've seen him. So, like you mentioned... athleticism is the key in addition to.......

BUTCH HAS A PLAN.....JUST STICK TO THE DAMN PLAN!!!!

SO JUST....

 

[fishheadspin]

Anyone not putting Mauck at 2 or higher is a moron! dude torched everyone and i am not sure he had ever even seen a football!

 

[KBVol]

One question, where would you rank him on what he did last year, and in the spring he did not look that good.:unsure:

I would, AT LEAST, rank him no. 11 ahead of Allen, Robinette and Smith from Ky. I would also have a difficult time giving the nod ahead of Worley to a guy (Coker) who's never taken a damn snap at QB in the SEC and had a lower passer rating in very limited playing time at FSU.

How about LSU's QB Anthony Jennings? He's thrown all of 19 passes (9 of 19) and run for 18 yds on 19 carries. Yeah, I'd for sure put him ahead of Worley.

Speaking of what we know about SEC QBs, we know that Texas A&Ms projected starter Kenny Hill, who's torn up the SEC during his career 7 pass attempts, has been arrested for public intoxication. Yeah, I'd definitely take him over a QB who's graduated in 3 years and has a win over a top 5 team over his resume.

This list is an effing joke.

 

[Volfan2012]

The upgraded WR cast makes Worley better from day one. I think he made a lot a good throws along with Dobbs that ended up as drops. I like our TE's better also he should have a huge year.

 

[sjt18]

Anyone not putting Mauck at 2 or higher is a moron! dude torched everyone and i am not sure he had ever even seen a football!

Who is Mauck? Are you talking about Mauk of Mizzou?

If so... then why do you think a QB with 3 great and experienced WR's to work with who STILL completed under 50% in 3 of his 4 starts deserves to be ranked that high? To give that some perspective, Franklin completed over 60% of his passes in 8 of the 10 games he played in.

Do you remember when UT lost Hunter, Rogers, Rogers, and CP and returned very little experienced talent? That's what Mizzou faces this fall... except maybe worse.

 

[lawgator1]

Author has Dirskel at # 7 instead of #392.

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[MWAVolfan]

That's some confidence you show in the coaching staff.

Can you remind me again what they're getting paid for? If they have not developed the guys they have beyond the expectations you have expressed here... then you can stop blaming Dooley for EVERYTHING.

Three of the OL starters could have stepped in last year with no drop off whatsoever... I think Crowder and Jackson would have been upgrades over Stone and Bullard.

If North, Pig, Smith, and Croom aren't ready to be "key play makers" then again... what exactly is Azzanni getting paid to do?

Coaching staff can only account for so much before talent limitations become the issue. They should not be expected to take less physically talented or mentally capable players and make them superstars beyond their given abilities. Until Jones gets more of his players into the system then you can probably count on more of the same as last year with marginal improvements in certain aspects of the game. Whether those marginal improvements are enough to translate into "W"s , we will have to see. I have every confidence in CBJ and his offensive coaches but I have very little confidence in the players. The players which could turn out to be really high upside players are all going to be really young.

You say "Three of the OL starters could have stepped in last year with no drop off whatsoever", but that isnt really saying anything at all since the o-line we had was so bad. thats like saying we could have put three inanimate objects on the field and there would have been no drop off simply because it would be hard to be any worse.