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Jmmayberry21 said:
This happened because of UCF's new AD. He had previously hired Malzahn to his first job at Arkansas State. The previous relationship and UCF's lower expectations than Auburn made this applealing to Gus. It's that simple.
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Actually he inherited Gus, he didn't hire him.......
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Yep, It seems reasonable as the investigation continued to stack up infractions against Pruitt and the breakpoint between limping through next season with him and forced removal was growing closer, Boyd and Plowman directed CPF to get an emergency backup on staff. I doubt he put this deal together without their input. When they reached the point they could announce the decision as early as they did, they decided to go for the new coach route and at that point they all bought in to the new AD plan as well. Running the internal investigation to ground and getting some kind of nod from the NCAA was the variable they could not control. We shall see down the road if taking this extra time was beneficial or not. If both the internal and NCAA investigations determine that the infractions were masked from reasonable normal oversight by and limited to those already identified and removed, we may avoid punishment historically supported with over 50 violations and treated more as groups of different types of infractions. The speed of reaction to the triggering evidence provided to employees outside the guilty group will probably also be a factor. I hope we get enough detail, even if redacted, to be able to support the assumptions made when the story finally breaks. There will for sure be a wide array of assumptions out there day one.
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Since UT Cleaned house, I'm expecting some consideration from the NCAA, probation ; but less severe sanctions. Whether UT appeals the decision will tell the tale.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I haven't been against the Heupel hire at all, under the circumstances I figured it was probably the best we could do. If Malzahn takes the UCF job though I'm really going to question that assumption, unless we kicked the tires and Gus told us no. Where else would we find a coach that beat Saban 3 times? Not to mention that would have likely locked up Big Kat, Dylan Brooks, Cody Brown and others.

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Why??? GM was a 7 win coach and JP beat him on his home field. GM is overrated! Auburn didn’t want him so why would we?
 
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He was 25 million reasons not to come here. He can go to UCF, live nice, recruit locally, win a ton of games and go on TV saying they need to be in the playoffs. When the Arkansas job opens up, he goes back home and to the SEC West.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Why??? GM was a 7 win coach and JP beat him on his home field. GM is overrated! Auburn didn’t want him so why would we?
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Auburn was 68-35 under Malzahn. The 11th best record in college football for that time period, despite playing in the toughest division in the game. Tennessee in contrast had the 66th best record in CFB during that time, 50-48. But, sure, knowing our fans, why wouldn't we be too good for Gus Malzahn? That's exactly what got us here.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Gus's Achilles heel has been player development, particular at the QB position. Which is a problem. It's an open question whether Heupel will work out here or not, but I think Heupel is a better hire than Gus would've been.

Pruitt absolutely PWND Gus in the 2018 game. He was over on the sidelines calling out Gus's plays for the D. And we've seen time and time again, Gus's offenses have been stagnant against top teams for much of the past half-decade.

I think Malzahn is a good coach overall, but has a lot of weaknesses that'll prevent him from ever being great. And I think he'd make a first-rate broadcaster, more so than a first-rate coach.

I also think Gus would've been fired years earlier if not for Steele. Steele's defenses were carrying him during the latter part of his time at Auburn.

If I had to guess how Malzahn will do at UCF, I think he'll have a quick Year 1 turnaround and see diminishing returns over time.
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Before everybody starts trashing Gus I suggest you take a look at his record versus Saban and everybody else's record in the SEC today against Saban. I'll help, he and Orgeron are the only two with victories over him. Even more impressive take a look at how he did against Saban as an assisitant at Auburn as well.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I haven't been against the Heupel hire at all, under the circumstances I figured it was probably the best we could do. If Malzahn takes the UCF job though I'm really going to question that assumption, unless we kicked the tires and Gus told us no. Where else would we find a coach that beat Saban 3 times? Not to mention that would have likely locked up Big Kat, Dylan Brooks, Cody Brown and others.

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I’d say Steele being here in any capacity was a big deterrent from that.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Plowman signed off on it from what I’ve read.
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No athletics hire happens without the approval of the chancellor at UT. But usually the chancellor won’t veto an AD or HC’s hiring decision unless there are character issues involved (e.g., when Davenport didn’t sign the Schiano MOU). The chancellor is almost never an expert in athletics. It’s primarily an academics position.
 
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We are better off without Malzahn. He was really falling behind recently and defenses were catching on to his offenses. Most of his success was early at Auburn.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The one thing you can say about Malzahn is that he's an honorable person. I've never heard anything but good things about him from players, coaches, etc. Can't say the same about Butch.

But you're right on the offense ... Malzahn's short-comings were similar to Butch's. Give Malzahn a naturally athletically gifted QB who can improvise and he can win, but give him a good QB with high potential who needs some development, and you never see much improvement. Very similar short-comings on player development, both with QB and O-line.

Essentially, Harrison Bailey is probably the biggest winner of us hiring Heupel vs Malzahn.
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Mahlzahn is a good recruiter too and has always been a good play caller. His offense was innovative and new when he first came onto the scene, and he rode that for several really good years. The only criticism could be a little too inconsistent, up and down, they could beat Bama or LSU one week and lose to Miss State the following week. Also, it can be said that he was a little slow making changes as the league sorta caught up to his offense, he’s a little stubborn that way.

But would have been an excellent hire for Tennessee in my opinion.
 
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Should Mahlzan get hired at UCF this will be a horrible look for UT. UCF loses their coach and replaces him with a better option in a proven SEC winner who beat Saban three times?? Would be an absolute home run hire. And, he would likely have a DC in place before us.

White will look like an absolute fool.
 
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I really don't understand the infatuation with Malzahn without regard to Heupel or whether he was a good hire or not. Malzahn's ceiling is pretty much established. So the strategy would have been what? Hope that he could get UT back to 2nd tier then just live with it or then fire him?

I'm not saying Malzahn is a bad coach. I'm not saying getting to 2nd tier wouldn't be an improvement right now. I'm just questioning the wisdom of paying him what he would demand knowing where his ceiling is.
 
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Roustabout said:
Should Mahlzan get hired at UCF this will be a horrible look for UT. UCF loses their coach and replaces him with a better option in a proven SEC winner who beat Saban three times?? Would be an absolute home run hire. And, he would likely have a DC in place before us.

White will look like an absolute fool.
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Why was Malzahn fired? Those are the same reasons he should not have been hired by UT.
 
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We'll never know, but rumoring would lead you to believe Gus wasn't considered.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I haven't been against the Heupel hire at all, under the circumstances I figured it was probably the best we could do. If Malzahn takes the UCF job though I'm really going to question that assumption, unless we kicked the tires and Gus told us no. Where else would we find a coach that beat Saban 3 times? Not to mention that would have likely locked up Big Kat, Dylan Brooks, Cody Brown and others.

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Gus would be a grand slam home run hire for UCF.
 
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SGMVols said:
No athletics hire happens without the approval of the chancellor at UT. But usually the chancellor won’t veto an AD or HC’s hiring decision unless there are character issues involved (e.g., when Davenport didn’t sign the Schiano MOU). The chancellor is almost never an expert in athletics. It’s primarily an academics position.
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Sure. You’d think someone in that position might not greenlight a million dollar hire when you’re less than 48 hours from retiring your AD.
 
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ATLVols said:
We are better off without Malzahn. He was really falling behind recently and defenses were catching on to his offenses. Most of his success was early at Auburn.
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He definitely has a higher floor than Heupel IMO, but also a lower ceiling. I mean, Pruitt was literally calling out to our players exactly what he was going to run before the ball was even snapped, and he was guessing correctly.

Time will tell if we missed out on a “football Rick Barnes” but there’s probably a valid reason Auburn got rid of him.
 
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SGMVols said:
He definitely has a higher floor than Heupel IMO, but also a lower ceiling. I mean, Pruitt was literally calling out to our players exactly what he was going to run before the ball was even snapped, and he was guessing correctly.

Time will tell if we missed out on a “football Rick Barnes” but there’s probably a valid reason Auburn got rid of him.
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The guy was like 30 seconds from winning a National Title. This low ceiling business is baffling.
 
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