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This topic always makes me laugh.

America has a 40% obesity rate and heart disease is the #1 linked issue to deaths every year.

It alway shocks me that the loudest opponents who don’t want to live or interact or exchange with a healthcare system ran by RFK are also folks who aren’t proactively taking steps and measures in their personal lifestyle to make sure they interact with a RFK ran healthcare system.

Obviously things need major overhaul since the obesity rate has climbed consistently over the years. But i also laugh at people not taking the shock to the system (RFK at HHS) as a reason for proactively making positive lifestyle changes.

US loses at least a half a trillion per year due to obesity alone.
 
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bamawriter said:
What a moron. It is outrageous that RFK Jr is in charge of this stuff simply because he agreed to drop out of the race and endorse Trump.
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I don't have a problem with someone calling the man a moron. But I couldn't substantiate the angst people were having when water fluoridation was brought up several months ago. To me, it seemed like a decent idea when it was adopted but no longer needed.

Do you have a concern about it?
 
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McDad said:
I don't have a problem with someone calling the man a moron. But I couldn't substantiate the angst people were having when water fluoridation was brought up several months ago. To me, it seemed like a decent idea when it was adopted but no longer needed.

Do you have a concern about it?
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It's an incredibly useful tool for combatting a host of issues that come along with poor oral health.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's an incredibly useful tool for combatting a host of issues that come along with poor oral health.
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I asked if you had a concern and you gave me the proposed benefits. If I reverse engineer a concern from your post, the concern is eliminating the flouride in the water would increase incidences of poor oral health? Is that accurate?
 
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I don't have a need to fight anyone on their opinion about flouridation.

Full disclosure, I don't have a dog in the water fight. except for about 15 years of my 55, I have lived on well water.

Here is a resource from Harvard comparing oral health between countries with and without flouridated water. The data show oral health is improving in both groups. Flouride in dental products as well as other factors are cited as the reasons. It may be this was the right idea at one time but is no longer necessary or even helpful considering modern hygiene practices.

hsph.harvard.edu

Is Fluoridated Drinking Water Safe? | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Since the mid-1940s, compounds containing the mineral fluoride have been added to community water supplies throughout the U.S. to prevent tooth decay. Health concerns expressed by opponents have largely been dismissed until recently.
hsph.harvard.edu hsph.harvard.edu
 
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McDad said:
I asked if you had a concern and you gave me the proposed benefits. If I reverse engineer a concern from your post, the concern is eliminating the flouride in the water would increase incidences of poor oral health? Is that accurate?
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Correct.
 
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McDad said:
I don't have a need to fight anyone on their opinion about flouridation.

Full disclosure, I don't have a dog in the water fight. except for about 15 years of my 55, I have lived on well water.

Here is a resource from Harvard comparing oral health between countries with and without flouridated water. The data show oral health is improving in both groups. Flouride in dental products as well as other factors are cited as the reasons. It may be this was the right idea at one time but is no longer necessary or even helpful considering modern hygiene practices.

hsph.harvard.edu

Is Fluoridated Drinking Water Safe? | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Since the mid-1940s, compounds containing the mineral fluoride have been added to community water supplies throughout the U.S. to prevent tooth decay. Health concerns expressed by opponents have largely been dismissed until recently.
hsph.harvard.edu hsph.harvard.edu
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Without reading the study, does it distinguish between countries with no fluoridation and countries with naturally occurring fluoride in their water supply?
 
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bamawriter said:
Without reading the study, does it distinguish between countries with no fluoridation and countries with naturally occurring fluoride in their water supply?
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It does. The sample of comparison countries is numerous. In that sample are countries, like Sweden, with naturally occurring flouride and countries in continental Europe where flouridation is rare (natural or municipally added).
 
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McDad said:
It does. The sample of comparison countries is numerous. In that sample are countries, like Sweden, with naturally occurring flouride and countries in continental Europe where flouridation is rare (natural or municipally added).
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Cool. I'll check it out.
 
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Brush and floss your teeth, drink a little milk and there is no need for fluoride to be added to your water.
 
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McDad said:
I asked if you had a concern and you gave me the proposed benefits. If I reverse engineer a concern from your post, the concern is eliminating the flouride in the water would increase incidences of poor oral health? Is that accurate?
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He does live in bama so they probably need all the tooth saving help they can get.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
justthenews.com

Study projects removing fluoride from public water would cost billions

Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wants to remove fluoride from public water systems.
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Taking fluoride out of public water systems across the country would result in millions more rotten teeth and cost $9.8 billion over five years, according to a new study.

The study, published in JAMA Health Forum, found that if all 50 states removed fluoride from public water systems, kids would develop 25.4 million more decayed teeth over five years. The study noted that "tooth decay would disproportionately affect publicly insured and uninsured children compared to those with private dental insurance."

After 10 years, the total number of decayed teeth would increase to 53.8 million at a cost of $19.4 billion, according to the study.

The simulation model used the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey data of 8,484 participants.

It noted that "excessive fluoride exposure can cause mottled discoloration of the teeth" and that fluoride "becomes a neurotoxin at high levels." The study further stated that "natural sources of drinking water with high levels of fluoride are associated with lower IQ scores."

The study also noted that the U.S. National Toxicology Program released a monograph that concluded that drinking water with elevated fluoride levels has neurotoxic effects. That monograph "affirmed a lack of evidence for neurocognitive effects with fluoride exposure less than 1.5 parts per million, more than twice the amount of fluoridation recommended in public water systems by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

The study comes as Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. seeks to remove fluoride from public water systems. In April, Kennedy said he would study the issue and make new recommendations on fluoride use in public water systems.

The American Dental Association criticized that plan.

"As dentists, we see the direct consequences fluoride removal has on our patients and it's a real tragedy when policymakers' decisions hurt vulnerable kids and adults in the long term," ADA President Brett Kessler, D.D.S., said. "Blindly calling for a ban on fluoridated water hurts people, costs money, and will ultimately harm our economy."

The JAMA study concluded that "despite the potential harms of excessive fluoride exposure, fluoridation at safe levels offers both individual and societal benefits that would be at risk."

The study also noted the case of Calgary in Alberta, Canada. The city added fluoride to its public water system in 1991. The Calgary City Council voted in 2011 to remove fluoride. However, the city reversed course in March after an increase in cavities and a public vote. In the 2021 Civic General Election, 62% of voters supported fluoridation.

Calgary plans to reintroduce fluoride in drinking water starting at the end of June. To do so, it had to spend about $28.1 million on infrastructure improvements at Calgary's two water treatment plants. Calgary expects to pay additional annual operating and maintenance costs of $1 million at both plants. It noted that "this translates into less than 10 cents per person, per month."

After Calgary stopped fluoridating water in 2011, researchers at the University of Calgary conducted a study on tooth decay in a large sample of Calgary children and compared them to children in Edmonton, where fluoridation started in 1967 and remains in place.

"The research confirmed the removal of fluoride from drinking water had a negative impact on children's oral health, where a significantly higher number of cavities were found amongst Calgary children compared to Edmonton children," the city's website noted.

Utah recently became the first state to ban the addition of fluoride to public drinking water. Utah lawmakers passed a measure that prohibits the addition of fluoride to public drinking water in Utah. That went into place on May 7, 2025.

Kennedy has urged other states to follow suit.

About 72% of municipal water systems in the U.S. provided fluoridated water in 2022, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

At least 12 states have laws mandating that communities of a certain size fluoridate the public water system, including California, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Ohio and South Dakota, according to a report from the National Conference of State Legislatures. It noted at least 12 states have introduced bills prohibiting or repealing provisions related to the addition of fluoride in public water systems. Utah and Florida were the first states such legislation, according to the report.
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I had my babies in a town in East Tennessee in the early 2000s,, they did not have fluoride in the water supply so the pediatrician gave you fluoride drops to give up until age of three or whatever they tell you..My kids have never had cavities. Easy Peasy
 
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