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ka3ky5ko8 said:
You're the only one who said "moral victory", Chief. The remark was that the committee would take notice of the caliber of play (paraphrased, but accurate) and that's true.
The loss sucks, yeah. But there are other opportunities ahead for this season's team.
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Look around the game thread. Everyone says I'm proud we took the 1 team wire to wire like that means something. Yes Florida isn't the same team we owned the last two years but neither is our roster either. It's better. Everyone that says we shouldn't expect to beat Florida is either clueless or just so sympathetic for the current staff.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
The committee already said head to heads don't matter. Its the entire body of work but I agree we have done more
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I don't know. We lost 7 games in a conference that has 3 teams in vs the A-10 that's getting 6 or 7 teams in. We went 0-4 to tourney bound teams in our league compared to Xavier winning against tourney teams in their league, which is a better league.
 
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Getting a play in game is ridiculously embarrassing for a team with tennessee's talent. The committee must know this is top 20 talent but coaching with no critical thinking skills in close big game situations.
 
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orange plasma said:
Getting a play in game is ridiculously embarrassing for a team with tennessee's talent. The committee must know this is top 20 talent but coaching with no critical thinking skills in close big game situations.
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It just amazes me why we are considered locks to be in the tourney this year. This is our worst résumé in Martin's three years and this of all years we are considered in. really fathoms me
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I don't know. We lost 7 games in a conference that has 3 teams in vs the A-10 that's getting 6 or 7 teams in. We went 0-4 to tourney bound teams in our league compared to Xavier winning against tourney teams in their league, which is a better league.
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Rpi better...schedule harder.

Not sure I understand
 
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“@MarkPancratz: On CBS the chairmen of NCAA committee just said eye test weighs heavily in decision. That's great 4 Vols! They could get better than 11 seed”
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Rpi better...schedule harder.

Not sure I understand
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I get that having a tougher SOS and better RPI helps, but we stunk it up vs those teams outside of UVA. I don't think just having those should be a reward for a bid. We didn't schedule them just to lose and say thanks for bolstering our tourney chances. We showed we couldn't beat tough teams in close situations, which is what the tourney is all about
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And for a third year staff with a system in its third year with the most talent this staff has had in its three seasons vs a team this staff has owned coming into this year, a "moral victory" playing the number one team close isn't a plus for us. I don't see how this excuse is being used so often all of the sudden.
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Give it a rest. We played the number one overall seed 3 times in one season. Do you understand that? They are a better team, bottom line. We played them tough and were in a position down the stretch to get the w. We're playing great ball and I think we'll get a surprise win in the tourney. Quit your crying.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
The committee already said head to heads don't matter. Its the entire body of work but I agree we have done more
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Weakest field in decades, the selection committee changes criteria it seems every year. Areas that remains constant is RPI and Record based on SOS.

We are in 50/50 on whether or not it is a solid 10, 11 or 12 Seed or a Play-in First Rd game at the 11 or 12 position.

If we end up in the Play-in slots it will be more than likely the 11 seed play-in game.

I could also see this team as a 10 seed, but would be happy with an 11 seed with out the Play in game.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
Give it a rest. We played the number one overall seed 3 times in one season. Do you understand that? They are a better team, bottom line. We played them tough and were in a position down the stretch to get the w. We're playing great ball and I think we'll get a surprise win in the tourney. Quit your crying.
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Complacency at its best.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
It just amazes me why we are considered locks to be in the tourney this year. This is our worst résumé in Martin's three years and this of all years we are considered in. really fathoms me
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The field is more balanced this year than any year before
The top 16 teams are within 4 points of each other on neutral courts. If your a betting man and don't know much about basketball, you could make a ton of money this year by flipping a coin.
The bubble is also soft. Thats why you see bubble teams losing games and ending up on the right side of the bubble or getting other opportunities.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I get that having a tougher SOS and better RPI helps, but we stunk it up vs those teams outside of UVA. I don't think just having those should be a reward for a bid. We didn't schedule them just to lose and say thanks for bolstering our tourney chances. We showed we couldn't beat tough teams in close situations, which is what the tourney is all about
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But when our record is similar to other teams and our SOS is higher, it means more. RPI factors all of that in. We're fine.
 
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I'm thinking that a Virginia win over Duke combined with St. Joe's losing to VCU might bring us up one more spot with St. Joe's falling back behind us.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Complacency at its best.
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We're not better than the best team in the country. That doesn't mean we can't make a splash in the NCAA and feel a sense of accomplishment about this season and this team. How bout you just enjoy watching McRae, stokes, and maymon's last games.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Why? We lost because of ourselves. Not because of Florida. It's crazy that if we make the tourney, we haven't been in the top 25 in three seasons and this year is weakest of the three seasons' résumés. One thing that baffles me is how a 12 loss SEC team can be safely in when given the state of the conference. If we got passed over the last two years with better résumés, I wouldn't be shocked if we see we are safe and we wind up not getting in.
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You obviously don't understand the criteria if you think this year is the weakest of the 3 seasons. I get what you are trying to say, but this is the strongest if the 3 years based on numbers.

We also could very easily have 2-3 more wins if we scheduled differently. You can manipulate your OOC schedule, and the committee rewards tough schedules.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
We're not better than the best team in the country. That doesn't mean we can't make a splash in the NCAA and feel a sense of accomplishment about this season and this team. How bout you just enjoy watching McRae, stokes, and maymon's last games.
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Talent wise, we are better than Florida. yesterday showed that. Since Martin didn't have a talent war chest when he took over, he had to develop the talent we have and it shows. However, his coaching hasn't developed. The fact that we took a step back this year and people are okay with it is very troubling.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
The field is more balanced this year than any year before
The top 16 teams are within 4 points of each other on neutral courts. If your a betting man and don't know much about basketball, you could make a ton of money this year by flipping a coin.
The bubble is also soft. Thats why you see bubble teams losing games and ending up on the right side of the bubble or getting other opportunities.
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Gotcha. Honest question: do you feel that we have gotten better since year 1 since we didn't make the tourney and we are this year?
 
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Tennessee is going to the NCAA's!:rock: It's going to be nice to be in the Big Dance.:dance2:
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Gotcha. Honest question: do you feel that we have gotten better since year 1 since we didn't make the tourney and we are this year?
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Overall? No. I don't. I still think Martin is not very good and will lose his job. Maybe not this year but it will happen. I think the defense has gotten better every year and our half court offense is much better but overall, our future looks bleak and I don't see Martin as the answer. I think he can be a really good coach one day though.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I don't know. We lost 7 games in a conference that has 3 teams in vs the A-10 that's getting 6 or 7 teams in. We went 0-4 to tourney bound teams in our league compared to Xavier winning against tourney teams in their league, which is a better league.
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Man, I don't know, but is seems like you have an agenda here. Even if you are a BBB guy, just allow yourself to enjoy this process. The offseason will take care of itself however it's going to play out, and in the meantime, we are more than likely going get to see a tournament with out guys in.
Let's just enjoy it as a fan base for a change! :hi:
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And for a third year staff with a system in its third year with the most talent this staff has had in its three seasons vs a team this staff has owned coming into this year, a "moral victory" playing the number one team close isn't a plus for us. I don't see how this excuse is being used so often all of the sudden.
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I never mentioned anything about moral victories. I said if the committee watched the game they would see that UT isn't a "play-in game" team.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Talent wise, we are better than Florida. yesterday showed that. Since Martin didn't have a talent war chest when he took over, he had to develop the talent we have and it shows. However, his coaching hasn't developed. The fact that we took a step back this year and people are okay with it is very troubling.
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I love my Vols, but I'm not going to be naive about Florida being a MUCH better basketball team. With the exception of center and maybe shooting guard, they out talent us. And a better bench and coaching staff and that's why they're number one in the country.
 
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