LSU - It's ABOUT TIME!

[bamawriter]

1. its pretty clear the NCAA is not exempt from anti-trust law... duh... yet somehow how they paid lawyers millions to push that stupid ****

Agreed. But how does that fact lead to Wade's contract being unenforceable?

2. the NCAA is a monopoly in a general sense... again they admitted to that at the lower court

Being a de facto monopoly does not automatically mean there are anti-trust issues in their enforcement actions.

3. the Supreme Court is making it pretty clear that interfering with commerce at scale via their association is not such a good idea

Okay. But you should be able to quote the ruling to define what that means.

Of course the ruling only is a direct decision on the educational benefits, but they are green lighting it all because there is no exemptions to anti-trust law for the NCAA. (duh)

I don't think you can present any legal interpretation that will support that. You're saying "They said X, but what they really mean is everything between A and Z."

The Supreme Court did say Congress can change the law and they opened up (or somewhat) agree with the fact that individual conferences could have more power to enforce.

But Congress has yet to change the applicable law.

This is pure anti-trust law, there is nothing special about anything of this.

For rhe 4th time: how? All you've said is that it is without any detail. What is the specific anti-trust violation?

 

[LSU-SIU]

You just don't get it and seem to be a little thick. The Supreme Court's decision was narrow. It only covered prohibting restrictions against education-related benefits. The NCAA still has the right to restrict performance-based compensation from schools to athletes, and they have the right to enforce those rules.


The case against LSU is much stronger than the case against Auburn. LSU's case is more similar to that of Arizona's and will be similarly adjudicated.


You could not have read that article. It gives more context than the original audio. There doesn't have to be proof that money changed hands to have a Level 1 NCAA violation. The offer itself, is enough.

The ruling is always narrow, as they can only adjudicate the decision being appealed that is basic United States law.

There is no difference between educational benefits and other forms of commerce under anti-trust law see Sherman Act.

DOJ didn't wait to get a ruling to send them a letter last year, why? Because what the NCAA is doing is unlawful. I'm baffled as to why you believe anyone has to wait on a specific court ruling. I don't wait till a jury convicts me for burglary to convince me its a bad idea.

The NCAA still has the right to restrict performance-based compensation from schools to athletes

Everyone has a right to do whatever they want to do until stopped. LOL What you are witnessing is a show which is why players haven't been impacted for many many years, heck decades and schools really are not penalized.

Auburn's situation was most likely much worse as it lead to criminal prosecutions and convictions. LOL

Nothing happened to Auburn as Auburn would tell them to pound sand like Kansas did, and nothing happened to Pearl because Pearl would have potential damages of $200-300 million plus attorney fees. LOL

Its called a show, this is a weak-ass (pun intended) show. If you believe the lie which is enforcement, its not a lie if you believe it. Schools are not being punished by the NCAA for violations, some schools (others are not) are self-imposing penalties.

Your fixation on having to see a specific ruling is baffling, that is not how the legal system or the world operates. LOL Under your strange understanding of the world, a person can't do anything until they get a court ruling.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The ruling is always narrow, as they can only adjudicate the decision being appealed that is basic United States law.

There is no difference between educational benefits and other forms of commerce under anti-trust law see Sherman Act.

DOJ didn't wait to get a ruling to send them a letter last year, why? Because what the NCAA is doing is unlawful. I'm baffled as to why you believe anyone has to wait on a specific court ruling. I don't wait till a jury convicts me for burglary to convince me its a bad idea.



Everyone has a right to do whatever they want to do until stopped. LOL What you are witnessing is a show which is why players haven't been impacted for many many years, heck decades and schools really are not penalized.

Auburn's situation was most likely much worse as it lead to criminal prosecutions and convictions. LOL

Nothing happened to Auburn as Auburn would tell them to pound sand like Kansas did, and nothing happened to Pearl because Pearl would have potential damages of $300 million plus attorney fees. LOL

Its called a show, this is a weak-ass (pun intended) show. If you believe the lie which is enforcement, its not a lie if you believe it. Schools are not being punished for violations, some schools are self-imposing penalties.

Your fixation on having to see a specific ruling is baffling, that is not how the legal system or the world operates. LOL Under your strange understanding of the world, a person can't do anything until they get a court ruling.

My "fixation" is not with any one specific ruling. My fixation is with the fact that there hasn't been a judicial rendering anywhere which prohibits the NCAA from restricting their member institutions from directly paying recruits for athletic performance. The NCAA is well within their legal authority to have a rule against a basketball coach making a financial inducement to a high school prospect, and then sanctioning the basketball coach who violates such a rule.

Of course, this is fluid and could change... but your defensive posturing here, assumes it will change just in time to save your precious Tigers. I think you will be disappointed. The case against Wade and LSU, is much different than the case against Auburn and Kansas.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Who said I was the member of the bar? Does one have to be member of the bar to understand contract law? Is what I said incorrect?

 

[zooguy]

LOL, the NCAA is weak. They aren’t going to do anything.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This should make it clear why some of us still think the NCAA issue with us is such a big deal. Some of you saying man it’s about time something is done. I guess the NCAA decides to act. The same thing can happen to us. The NCAA can just decide to act any anytime.

Regarding Wade, if I were LSU I would use this to fire him with cause. Highly doubt anything happens to LSU as a program through.

 

[AllThingsTN]

This should make it clear why some of us still think the NCAA issue with us is such a big deal. Some of you saying man it’s about time something is done. I guess the NCAA decides to act. The same thing can happen to us. The NCAA can just decide to act any anytime.

Regarding Wade, if I were LSU I would use this to fire him with cause. Highly doubt anything happens to LSU as a program through.

Why would LSU do that? What happened to Self at Kansas? What happened to Pearl at Auburn? Miller and Arizona still seem to be doing fine….

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why would LSU do that? What happened to Self at Kansas? What happened to Pearl at Auburn? Miller and Arizona still seem to be doing fine….

LSU needs to dump Wade. I get the feeling there is a lot more the university probably doesn’t want anyone to know about.

 

[AllThingsTN]

LSU needs to dump Wade. I get the feeling there is a lot more the university probably doesn’t want anyone to know about.

I’m sure that could be said for nearly every university. And I think think Wade is a slime ball. But if I’m LSU I’m calling the NCAAs bluff just like every other school (except us with pearl) has.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I’m sure that could be said for nearly every university. And I think think Wade is a slime ball. But if I’m LSU I’m calling the NCAAs bluff just like every other school (except us with pearl) has.

See the thing is if you are LSU and you call their bluff,you HOPE it works out. Is there any guarantee it does? No. And if it doesn’t? Could be bad. I realize that obviously you believe the NCAA is a joke but they can still decide to lower the boom whenever they want.

 

[AllThingsTN]

See the thing is if you are LSU and you call their bluff,you HOPE it works out. Is there any guarantee it does? No. And if it doesn’t? Could be bad. I realize that obviously you believe the NCAA is a joke but they can still decide to lower the boom whenever they want.

Yeah I’m just legit trying to remember when the last time that happened was… obviously SMU. But modernly I can’t remember. They had the chance with Kansas basketball, the entire North Carolina athletics program, Auburn basketball…and I know I’m leaving some others out. But yeah you’re right, I think the NCAA is a joke. Maybe they’ll prove me wrong. But if I’m LSU I’m making them show cause; unless LSU is ready to move on because they know what the NCAA has is more damning than the other cases in previous history.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Why would LSU do that? What happened to Self at Kansas? What happened to Pearl at Auburn? Miller and Arizona still seem to be doing fine….

Well, Arizona did dump Miller a year ago. He will definitely be hit with a show cause. Once again, LSU's case is much more similar to Arizona's than it is Auburn's.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Well, Arizona did dump Miller a year ago. He will definitely be hit with a show cause. Once again, LSU's case is much more similar to Arizona's than it is Auburn's.

The NCAA doesn't do ****. LOL What world are you living in? Kansas told the NCAA to **** off. Pearl told them to **** off, Wade's attorney told them to basically **** off.

You are delusional. Literally, players (recruits) were coming to LSU on visits and telling the staff why they weren't coming to LSU and the amounts they were being paid. Its not really a secret. How many players have been ruled ineligible in recent memory?

As far as show cause those are pretty much off the table for anyone high up the food chain i.e. damages and triple damages. Pearl had the potential to be a quarter billion.

The only ones being penalized are ones that are self-imposing. Why? No ability to enforce.'

 

[LSU-SIU]

LSU needs to dump Wade. I get the feeling there is a lot more the university probably doesn’t want anyone to know about.

They could decide not to renew his contract which I believe is up after 2023 but if they dismiss him due to paying a player due to a NCAA violation. They are opening themselves up to civil liability and the potential for indictment.

What the NCAA (and member) schools have been doing is actually criminal under federal law. The Supreme Court case they lost could easily turn into criminal indictments if the AG wanted.

 

[LSU-SIU]

LSU needs to dump Wade. I get the feeling there is a lot more the university probably doesn’t want anyone to know about.

They could decide not to renew his contract which I believe is up after 2023 but if they dismiss him due to paying a player due to a NCAA violation. They are opening themselves up to civil liability and potential for indictment.

What the NCAA (and member) schools have been doing is actually criminal under federal law. The Supreme Court case they lost could easily turn into criminal indictments if the AG wanted, see Sherman Act. LOL

My guess is Wade is going to get a hell of a raise in the next year, whether at LSU or somewhere else.

I actually find it funny you have people out here defending the NCAA over some stupid pay rules, when the NCAA is committing criminal acts. If you rob someone of billions its a civil matter, you steal from a gas station the lock you up for 10 years. LOL

 

[LSU-SIU]

LSU needs to dump Wade. I get the feeling there is a lot more the university probably doesn’t want anyone to know about.

They could decide not to renew his contract which I believe is up after 2023 but if they dismiss him due to paying a player due to a NCAA violation. They are opening themselves up to civil liability and the potential for indictment. (for the record, I doubt it comes to any of that)

What the NCAA (and member) schools have been doing is actually criminal under federal law. The Supreme Court case they lost could easily turn into criminal indictments if the AG wanted.

My guess is Wade is going to get a hell of a raise in the next year, whether at LSU or somewhere else. Not sure why LSU would self-impose even further on football, and they might as well play hardball at this point ie Kansas/Auburn/etc. They could let Wade's contract just expire, we'll have to see how they play this.... they could let him go early and chance damages (and potential triple) as the contract is small at this time.

Nobody could do **** to Pearl as he has/had a 10 year deal worth somewhere in the $70-100m range x triple damages ($200-300m).

The NCAA has been a joke for decades, now its just a clown show. Enjoy the show!

 

[DaddyChad]

Yeah I’m just legit trying to remember when the last time that happened was… obviously SMU. But modernly I can’t remember. They had the chance with Kansas basketball, the entire North Carolina athletics program, Auburn basketball…and I know I’m leaving some others out. But yeah you’re right, I think the NCAA is a joke. Maybe they’ll prove me wrong. But if I’m LSU I’m making them show cause; unless LSU is ready to move on because they know what the NCAA has is more damning than the other cases in previous history.

USC

 

[BowlBrother85]

The NCAA doesn't do ****. LOL What world are you living in? Kansas told the NCAA to **** off. Pearl told them to **** off, Wade's attorney told them to basically **** off.

You are delusional. Literally, players (recruits) were coming to LSU on visits and telling the staff why they weren't coming to LSU and the amounts they were being paid. Its not really a secret. How many players have been ruled ineligible in recent memory?

As far as show cause those are pretty much off the table for anyone high up the food chain i.e. damages and triple damages. Pearl had the potential to be a quarter billion.

The only ones being penalized are ones that are self-imposing. Why? No ability to enforce.'

You are just a fan who is doing some wishful thinking and talking out of his butt.

"Literally, recruits were coming to LSU and telling the staff why they weren't coming..." - Sure. Whatever you say. LOL.

We don't know what the NCAA has in mind for Wade and Miller but I think they will both get a show cause penalty. The IARP cases are moving glacially slow. So it could be another 6-8 months before that happens... We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[BowlBrother85]

They could decide not to renew his contract which I believe is up after 2023 but if they dismiss him due to paying a player due to a NCAA violation. They are opening themselves up to civil liability and the potential for indictment.

What the NCAA (and member) schools have been doing is actually criminal under federal law. The Supreme Court case they lost could easily turn into criminal indictments if the AG wanted.

You don't know what you are talking about. Per the terms of his own .reinstatement agreement, Wade can be dismissed if the NCAA finds him guilty of a Level 1 violation.

 

[BowlBrother85]

They could decide not to renew his contract which I believe is up after 2023 but if they dismiss him due to paying a player due to a NCAA violation. They are opening themselves up to civil liability and the potential for indictment. (for the record, I doubt it comes to any of that)

What the NCAA (and member) schools have been doing is actually criminal under federal law. The Supreme Court case they lost could easily turn into criminal indictments if the AG wanted.

My guess is Wade is going to get a hell of a raise in the next year, whether at LSU or somewhere else. Not sure why LSU would self-impose even further on football, and they might as well play hardball at this point ie Kansas/Auburn/etc. They could let Wade's contract just expire, we'll have to see how they play this.... they could let him go early and chance damages (and potential triple) as the contract is small at this time.

Nobody could do **** to Pearl as he has/had a 10 year deal worth somewhere in the $70-100m range x triple damages ($200-300m).

The NCAA has been a joke for decades, now its just a clown show. Enjoy the show!

That is absolutely ridiculous. Pearl already received a show cause once.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You don't know what you are talking about. Per the terms of his own .reinstatement agreement, Wade can be dismissed if the NCAA finds him guilty of a Level 1 violation.

Having that in the contract is evidence of a crime by LSU and the NCAA under federal and state law this has been explained to you several times..

 

[LSU-SIU]

You are just a fan who is doing some wishful thinking and talking out of his butt.

Yes, I'm talking out of my butt when I was predicting all the players would be getting paid years ago.

Every school that tries to stop players from receiving money from third parties will eventually be sued, if it comes to that. The sooner the schools and the NCAA wake up the less they will lose... their past behavior and willful violation of law is going to cost billions. - Mar 26, 2014

Players can Unionize!!!

The legal system sometimes moves slowly, but when it catches up it can be a bitch.

Its very easy to see you are not even attempting to learn anything. Its over for the NCAA as far a regulating commerce, although they might pretend for a bit longer.

You are still in stage 1 or 2.... denial and anger. Eventually, you should make it out of those stages.

The 5 Stages of Grief - Great Lakes Psychology Group

 

[BowlBrother85]

Having that in the contract is evidence of a crime by LSU and the NCAA under federal and state law this has been explained to you several times..

No, it's not. You are full of crap.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yes, I'm talking out of my butt when I was predicting all the players would be getting paid years ago.


Players can Unionize!!!

The legal system sometimes moves slowly, but when it catches up it can be a bitch.

Its very easy to see you are not even attempting to learn anything. Its over for the NCAA as far a regulating commerce, although they might pretend for a bit longer.

You are still in stage 1 or 2.... denial and anger. Eventually, you should make it out of those stages.

The 5 Stages of Grief - Great Lakes Psychology Group

The NCAA can still restrict recruits/players from being paid directly by their member institutions for athletic-based performance. I'm not angry about anything, but you are talking out of your butt.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, it's not. You are full of crap.

Yes, because you say so. You'll get out of stages 1 and 2 of the stages of grief... eventually.

Don't worry, there were a few others that got mad at me 5-8 years ago... they finally moved on out of stage 2.