LSU is proving that you can take a dumbass coach and...

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....two excellent coordinators and be successful if you have a certain level of talent. They’ve played well ever since their AD told Orgeron to butt out of the play calling.

I really am not into who UT hired as HC as long as they hire top shelf assistants.
 
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rockydoc said:
....two excellent coordinators and be successful if you have a certain level of talent. They’ve played well ever since their AD told Orgeron to butt out of the play calling.

I really am not into who UT hired as HC as long as they hire top shelf assistants.
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That is the key for sure. Same for Dabo.
 
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The same for Phil. Not saying he was a dumbass but with Cut and Chief he was good, when they were gone not so much.
 
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rockydoc said:
....two excellent coordinators and be successful if you have a certain level of talent. They’ve played well ever since their AD told Orgeron to butt out of the play calling.

I really am not into who UT hired as HC as long as they hire top shelf assistants.
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Could of been like that for Jones if he didn’t handcuff the offense and let an OC have full control.. I suppose
 
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rockydoc said:
....two excellent coordinators and be successful if you have a certain level of talent. They’ve played well ever since their AD told Orgeron to butt out of the play calling.

I really am not into who UT hired as HC as long as they hire top shelf assistants.
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Why is he a dumbass? ******* he would probably would agree with.

I would say most of the decisions Orgeron has made since being appointed interim last year have been pretty good, starting with firing Cam Cameron within 15 minutes.
 
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Ed Orgeron might not speak too good, but he's not a dumb*** when it comes to football. He's a great recruiter, and fabulous defensive mind. Especially when it comes to drawing up blitzes and coaching the defensive front seven.
 
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volfanbill said:
Ed Orgeron might not speak too good, but he's not a dumb*** when it comes to football. He's a great recruiter, and fabulous defensive mind. Especially when it comes to drawing up blitzes and coaching the defensive front seven.
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Agree,I like the guy also jus didn’t like him steering current players to SC at that time
 
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he beat a bunch of bums with the exception of the Auburn miracle and I still haven't figured out how they won that game. Lucked out vs uf also or he'd been fired before the end of the season.

Give him time. His act will get real old.

Plus, we've tried dumbass TWICE, one with two pretty good coordinators (Chaney and Wilcox) and didn't do ****.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
My granny could coach LSU to 8 wins
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Well, if you think with the personnel they had especially on the offensive line (or lack of it) and Oregon didn't do at least a B or B+ job... chances are your granny has more football knowledge.

So, when they lose its Orgeron's fault, if they win its someone's get the credit. You are prime example of why fans have no business involved in coaching decisions.
 
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volintheham said:
The same for Phil. Not saying he was a dumbass but with Cut and Chief he was good, when they were gone not so much.
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More Cut than Chief. Chief was with him the whole way and has easily been the most overrated DC in college football history. We might have had 3 seasons where we had really good defenses while he was DC here. Most of the time though, we had a loaded with NFL talent defense that couldn't stop anyone on a regular basis. During the Manning years, we simply outscored teams most of the time. Chief coached NFL laden defenses that gave up 62 and 59 points, the most ever given up by any UT defense.

Cut was the key to Fulmer's success
 
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Most of the time the head coach isn't as important as the assistants he hires. There is no "home run" head coach available. The best we can do is hire a head coach that will bring good assistants.

Unlike a lot of folks that say they won't support the team if "so and so" is hired I'll be "all in" on whoever it is.

I implore on all fans to do your best to not be judgmental and give whoever is chosen a chance to prove himself.
 
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wmcovol said:
he beat a bunch of bums with the exception of the Auburn miracle and I still haven't figured out how they won that game. Lucked out vs uf also or he'd been fired before the end of the season.

Give him time. His act will get real old.

Plus, we've tried dumbass TWICE, one with two pretty good coordinators (Chaney and Wilcox) and didn't do ****.
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It wasn't a miracle, they out played them other than the 1st quarter.

No, he would not have been fired at 7-5. Have you considered the possibility you have no idea how this works? Clearly with that statement, if he would have went 7-5 he would have been fired shows you don't know how this works. The other three potential candidates (jimbo, herman, and fedora) are a combine 14-21 and only one was at a rebuild (herman).

No way in hell this team would have been 9-3 with Les, best SEC record since 2012. Aranda has done well, LSU's defense is now back to level they were last year - after a bumpy start. Canada has done a B grade job, but not sure he will be back.

Coach O has done more than a decent job. imo

I do agree with the basic premise that hiring top coordinators can ease the burden but there is little doubt in my mind the cookie monster had a tough job.

I would say B or B+, could have gotten a solid A if not for Troy.
 
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:rock::rock:I agree. Jones was doomed to failure when he refused to keep Jim Chaney as OC and Sam Pittman as Offensive Line coach...both now at Georgia.That decision has lead to failure of Jones.

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Could of been like that for Jones if he didn’t handcuff the offense and let an OC have full control.. I suppose
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Let me say he isn't as dumb as you think. He made football fun for his team and he eats and breathes cajun.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, if you think with the personnel they had especially on the offensive line (or lack of it) and Oregon didn't do at least a B or B+ job... chances are your granny has more football knowledge.

So, when they lose its Orgeron's fault, if they win its someone's get the credit. You are prime example of why fans have no business involved in coaching decisions.
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:eek:lol: thanks Ed!
 
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vol-un-tear said:
:eek:lol: thanks Ed!
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So, let me get this right, I (Ed) started an account on this forum back in 2010 when I was at USC because I knew in the future I would be the head coach at LSU in case some Tennessee fan didn't like my hire?

The cookie monster has probably not done an A+ job this season, but B to B+ is not really a discussion. Orgeron had a tough job this year, other than the Troy loss (which looks like a turning point in the season and probably needed to happen), not sure there is any glaring "stupid" decision. When people throw "dumb" or "stupid" around to describe people, its usually a reflection on the poster.

Literally, you had people predicting on this forum that Orgeron would not finish the season - which anyone with any type of intelligence that knows the money involved, should know that was almost an impossibility. Yet the same people who were predicting that ridicules outcome are the probably the same ones saying he is a "dumbass". My question is, what has he done to so horrible or so stupid to get people that don't even know him to say this? I don't.

He was not a good coach at Ole Miss, he is generally considered a good DL coach, and a decent recruiter. He has admitted he didn't get the job done at Ole Miss, but that doesn't make him dumb by itself. With that said, as a LSU fan - I think he has done a much better job than what Les would have done the last 2 years. The story on Ed is yet to be written, but if one is going to knock him for losing games.... some credit has to go to him as to the changes he has and you know what... to some of the wins.

Heck, I don't know if Orgeron is going to work out long-term, but with that said, he has to be given a chance and up to this point he has proven his worth. imo Paying $100m+ to Jimbo to me would have not been worth the risk. I have constantly said since last year I thought LSU made the right call considering the head coaching landscape last year - even during the shaky start this year, I still thought it was the best decision at the time.

The firing is the easy part, you tell me, who was LSU going to hire that was going to be better than the plan they setup? And exactly what do you think the cost would have been?

Clearly the people on this board have it all figured out... ADs absolutely shouldn't listen to fans... you are probably a clear example as to why... you are emotional.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So, let me get this right, I (Ed) started an account on this forum back in 2010 when I was at USC because I knew in the future I would be the head coach at LSU in case some Tennessee fan didn't like my hire?

The cookie monster has probably not done an A+ job this season, but B to B+ is not really a discussion. Orgeron had a tough job this year, other than the Troy loss (which looks like a turning point in the season and probably needed to happen), not sure there is any glaring "stupid" decision. When people throw "dumb" or "stupid" around to describe people, its usually a reflection on the poster.

Literally, you had people predicting on this forum that Orgeron would not finish the season - which anyone with any type of intelligence that knows the money involved, should know that was almost an impossibility. Yet the same people who were predicting that ridicules outcome are the probably the same ones saying he is a "dumbass". My question is, what has he done to so horrible or so stupid to get people that don't even know him to say this? I don't.

He was not a good coach at Ole Miss, he is generally considered a good DL coach, and a decent recruiter. He has admitted he didn't get the job done at Ole Miss, but that doesn't make him dumb by itself. With that said, as a LSU fan - I think he has done a much better job than what Les would have done the last 2 years. The story on Ed is yet to be written, but if one is going to knock him for losing games.... some credit has to go to him as to the changes he has and you know what... to some of the wins.

Heck, I don't know if Orgeron is going to work out long-term, but with that said, he has to given a chance and up to this point he has proven his worth. imo Paying $100m+ to Jimbo to me would have not been worth the risk. I have constantly said since last year I thought LSU made the right call considering the head coaching landscape last year - even during the shaky start this year, I still thought it was the best decision at the time.

The firing is the easy part, you tell me, who was LSU going to hire that was going to be better than the plan they setup? And exactly what do you think the cost would have been?

Clearly the people on this board have it all figured out.
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Anyone not named Dinardo is given 8 wins at Corn Dog U with the talent they bring every year. It's the next 4 or 5 games that make the difference. Take off the purple and yellow glasses for a second and have some Mardi Gras fun! Let's eat some squirrel and have some cooter brown oysters and let the good times roll!
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Anyone not named Dinardo is given 8 wins at Corn Dog U with the talent they bring every year. It's the next 4 or 5 games that make the difference. Take off the purple and yellow glasses for a second and have some Mardi Gras fun! Let's eat some squirrel and have some cooter brown oysters and let the good times roll!
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First, you have no idea what you are talking about... you clearly didn't watch LSU this year... LSU clearly couldn't push over Mississippi State with the lack of talent on the OL and to a lessor extend on the DL.

"Take off the purple and yellow glasses"

Clearly communication is difficult for you, how exactly do I have "purple and yellow glasses" with my comments about the LSU football team.... actually my comments are the exact opposite of what you implied, which is a realistic take on the talent level there.

So, I say they lack talent and where they lack talent and you take that as wearing "purple and gold glasses"... you aren't making much sense to me.

If you had told me that LSU would be 9-3 after about week 5, after seeing the lack of upfront talent... I would have said the person was crazy. Ed has done a good solid job, probably needs two more recruiting classes to make the next step.

I will note you haven't answered my questions.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
First, you have no idea what you are talking about... you clearly didn't watch LSU this year... LSU clearly couldn't push over Mississippi State with the lack of talent on the OL and to a lessor extend on the DL.

"Take off the purple and yellow glasses"

Clearly communication is difficult for you, how exactly do I have "purple and yellow glasses" with my comments about the LSU football team.... actually my comments are the exact opposite of what you implied, which is a realistic take on the talent level there.

So, I say they lack talent and where they lack talent and you take that as wearing "purple and gold glasses"... you aren't making much sense to me.

If you had told me that LSU would be 9-3 after about week 5, after seeing the lack of upfront talent... I would have said the person was crazy. Ed has done a good solid job, probably needs two more recruiting classes to make the next step.

I will note you haven't answered my questions.
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I'm not as serious as you. Lighten up
 
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