Loyalty

#26
#26
Business said:
Not dissing, just saying if he wants to leave and get selected late instead of staying another year and upping his draft status that's fine.

We're going to be breaking in a new QB next year so conventional and logical thinking would indicate that Foster will be the workhorse of the team, which he was this year and many think he should have been even more so, including me. Add to that, barring injury, he will break the rushing record at UT.

All I'm saying is they're all grown men. They can do what they want. Tennessee got 100,000 plus in the seats before them and will get 100,000 in the seats after they leave, if they leave.

The way some people on here are talking if Trooper and some players leave Tennessee is going to pull an ETSU and pack up the football program.
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Yep, I agree. Good point
 
#28
#28
Ok, here is my take.

Coaches... go where you want when you want for what you can get, I don't like the capitalist system, but it is what we live in.

Players...any scholarship player should be given a guarantee for 5 years books, tuition, board to complete a 4 year education (no graduate school unless you get it within the 5 year period), including all summer sessions and intercessions. Injuries of course would add time as the year should not count. Freshmen and sophomores should be allowed to opt out and transfer if the Head Coach they signed with transfers, gets fired, etc.

Opinions are like rearends, everyone has one, no one cares as much for others as their own...that is mine!:wink2:
 
#29
#29
RoanokeVol said:
If we want them to be stoned or beaten with a rubber hose, that needs to be in the contract. Unfortunately for your argument, there is only a buyout in the contract. And the "buyout" for an athlete is sitting out a year. Just the way it is.
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Maybe the coach's buyout should be the same. Sit out of football for a year.
 
#30
#30
volmanbill said:
Maybe the coach's buyout should be the same. Sit out of football for a year.
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That's fine.....eye for an eye. The team that hires them, however is then the person who really gets hurt. Do they have to use an interim coach for a year? Bottom line is the way things are set up right now is not perfect, but it is the most logical way it can be done. If anybody can put together a reasonable system solution, I would like to hear it. I just don't see a better set up.
 
#31
#31
Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, loyalty. I've seen some of you guys make comments about players that may/may not be back next year if this coach leaves or that one leaves. Most of what I've seen amounts to, "if they don't want to wear the orange and white because a coach leaves, then they can pack their bags, also".

Paraphrasing...

Well, on the one hand, you have coaches that are in their late 30's and older, signing contracts that range from a quarter million dollars to $5 million dollars leaving teams in the NFL and NCAA at an epidemic pace recently. Heck, on our own staff in Knoxville, we had a coach that openly said that he would leave the moment a coaching opportunity was available (Cutcliffe). Seems like there is no standard for loyalty or litmus test that coaches have to pass in order to maintain loyalty. Is Cutcliffe any less of a Vol coach because he chooses to go to Duke, even though he didn't have his heart on being a longtime presence here in Knoxville?

Then on the other hand, you have the 18 year old high school student. The kid that is being recruited by these mid 30 and older coaches and being made promises to. These elders befriend the kids and influence them to come to the school they represent. And if they pick that school, the 18 year old receives a year-to-year scholarship that covers tuition, books, and board, and that 18 year old is expected to serve out the terms of that one year scholarship. If he chooses to leave for whatever reason, he is penalized a year of eligibility (2 years if within conference or not granted a release by the elder coach).

So in essence, an 18 year old that will be making one of the first major decisions in his life is held and bound to the terms of his agreement while a mature and allegedly more noble figure such as a football coach is not held or bound to restrictions in where they are allowed to go. How many of you would honestly say that you would be happy with living with a decision or judgement you made at 19-21 years old? Not many of you. Yet, we expect kids on a measely scholarship to be honorable to a contract and loyal to a school when we don't demand the same of a coach that is compensated 20 times as much as the price of a years tuition and can leverage/campaign for other jobs around the country.

Yeah... go after the kids for not being loyal to the orange and white (or whatever college you support) while you have coaches on staff that have ambitions of moving on to greener pastures.


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Well, really, the main thing for me is that most of these kids aren't Tennessee fans. It is easy for us to sit there and say "by god if it was me, i would stay all four years and live and die with the vols." But we have been fans since we came out of the womb. So, don't expect some kid from anywhere to be loyal to TN beyond taking the field every week and laying his guts on the line. Heck, it probably isn't even the team he grew up a fan of! Some of these kids could have grown up Bama fans for all we know. So, cut a kid some slack ... I don't blame them
 
#32
#32
thirdsaturday said:
Well, really, the main thing for me is that most of these kids aren't Tennessee fans. It is easy for us to sit there and say "by god if it was me, i would stay all four years and live and die with the vols." But we have been fans since we came out of the womb. So, don't expect some kid from anywhere to be loyal to TN beyond taking the field every week and laying his guts on the line. Heck, it probably isn't even the team he grew up a fan of! Some of these kids could have grown up Bama fans for all we know. So, cut a kid some slack ... I don't blame them
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Makes sense, however the sign in the locker room says "I will give my all for Tennessee today." I haven't seen one anywhere on campus saying "I will give my all for Coach(insert name) today."
 
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