Looking at this is pretty sad for me...

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VolRoger said:
Good graphics. This is another example for why recruiting is such a waste of money and time for universities. Need to draft graduated high school players like pro baseball does and pay them minor league salaries. If they can't play, cut them.
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Dumbest idea on here I've seen.
 
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Are the non NFL attrition players costing us the East?

If yes, what do we need to do to keep the players from voluntarily leaving?

If no, what are we missing in the evaluations that would prevent awarding a scholarship to a player who cannot produce at this level?
 
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the numbers are interesting.

they're even more interesting with some context. i think our attrition rate is too high in general. however, when CBJ got here, he loaded up on the 1st couple of classes, knowing at least 1/3 weren't going to make it. just part of it. but he needed #'s regardless. the 2012 class in and of itself was a hodge podge, and really, considering the time spent, what we got was probably what we should have expected, as over 2/3 of that class experienced attrition.

as his tenure has gone on, the attrition rate seemingly hasn't slowed down, though the last two classes show to have settled down quite nicely, is that the start of another, better trend? time will tell.

but just looking at comparisons since CBJ has been hired, the overall attrition rate is 35%, tied for last in the SEC with USCe, with a&m next at 32.2%. EVERYONE else in the SEC is below 30%.

that said, it's not a coincidence that the bulk of the attrition came at the expense of CBJ's 1st two years here, where those two years combined are nearly 56%.

i wondered about the volume of signees, as some mentioned that we signed more than anyone else, so i just looked at all classes in the list LWS provided that had 30 or more signees. also no coincidence, those 30+ signee classes have way higher rates than the normal 22-26 signee type classes. virtually every school in the SEC that had these classes were at, near or above 50% attrition rates......except.........Tennessee, who had 3 such classes with an attrition rate of less than 30%, which is by far the best in the SEC, by nearly 20 points.

it should be noted that includes the 2015 class, so that # could change as time goes on.

Bama had 2 @53%
ARK 3 @ 49.5%
AU 2 @ 54.8%
FL had 0
GA had 2 @ 45%
KY had 1 @57%
LSU had 0
OM had 3 @ 48.5%
MSU had 2 @ 54.7%
MO had 0
USCe had 2 @ 46%
TN had 3 @ 29.8%
a&m had 1 @ 63%
Vandy had 0

what i get out of all this is we have experienced higher than normal attrition, but it does appear to be, to a certain extent, "normal" for programs transitioning, and those that have to sign large classes, just to get the overall depth up to par.

all that said, if the attrition rates stay where they are now, around that 24% range, then what we've seen the last two years, is probably more a result of transition, pure #'s, and just plain needing bodies early on, and not necessarily "how it's going to be".

but it's still fairly early for the 2015, and especially for the 2016 classes, so we should pay attention to see what, if anything transpires this season and next.

but there's absolutely no way we can stay at 35% and remain competitive for very long. it can't be perpetual rebuilding.

so, is it an issue? yes, it most certainly is. but i don't know that it's an issue that's going to continue to fester and manifest itself like it has the last 2 years, if current trends hold up over the next couple/three years.
 
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Yes the normal college dropout rate for all students is 55 percent if my source is good. Looks like we did ok.
 
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81Orange said:
Yes the normal college dropout rate for all students is 55 percent if my source is good. Looks like we did ok.
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not for the football programs. it's below 30% in the SEC, except at 3 schools. TN being tied for last with USCe at 35%.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Go back and watch the Florida game.
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That day, Hurd ran like his mama's freedom depended on it!

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Good info LWSVOL...Jones only has one class through the full 4 years and had an attrition of 43%...the other 13 SEC teams had a combined attrition of 40% for the 2013 class...so he's in the ball park...for comparison, Saban has 6 classes through the full 4 years and his attrition for that period is 45%...
 
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I wonder if LWS's numbers can be correlated to the ranking of the classes? Attrition is more important when related back to the supposed talent/quality of the players leaving. Vandy has low attrition... but so what? The guys they sign are seldom in high demand among other SEC programs.

Just a cursory look at Larry's post... seems to suggest that Jones' highest attrition occurred with what was supposedly his best classes in terms of rankings.

Attrition by head count is one part of it... but the talent lost is bigger.
 
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sjt18 said:
I wonder if LWS's numbers can be correlated to the ranking of the classes? Attrition is more important when related back to the supposed talent/quality of the players leaving. Vandy has low attrition... but so what? The guys they sign are seldom in high demand among other SEC programs.

Just a cursory look at Larry's post... seems to suggest that Jones' highest attrition occurred with what was supposedly his best classes in terms of rankings.

Attrition by head count is one part of it... but the talent lost is bigger.
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yes

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r0RE9oanhdm1fW_NkbcQlz-p-n6oLKIjvi-BOUHnpB0/edit
 
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CamVol8 said:
When we first signed these 32 players in the 2014 I viewed this class as the one that would eventually bring a national championship to Tennessee. Now don't get me wrong, a lot of these players have done A LOT for the Vols in their time here. Example: (Barnett, Malone, Kelly Jr, Hurd for 2 years until this past season) and there's some more. The thing that really grabs my attention is how much attrition this class had. I understand that transfers happen every year but this seems over the top IMO. I've broken down the class as a whole and marked the players on whether they transferred, are still on the team, or have graduated/went pro.

The orange circle means they are still on the team
The black circle means they have transferred
The blue circle means they graduated/went pro
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One class does not a national title make. Takes several in-row. Otherwise UGA would have trophies all over the place.
 
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