Looking at Josh Dobbs' stats

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Dobbs was an outstanding player for the Vols and easily the best overall QB the team has had in a decade.

I would have loved to seen what he could have done under a coach like Cutcliffe that actually coaches QB's. Think those accuracy issues many whined about would have been an afterthought.
 
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jwells said:
It's almost criminal how badly mismanaged and misrecruited our O-line has been the last few years.
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Be careful, the Butchovas Witnesses will descend upon you in a wave of positivity. :)

Agree with your point, O line has been woeful under Mahoney and haven't seen much improvement from year 1 to year 4.
 
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Freak said:
Are there really any good misses? :)

Plus, Malone had a pretty good year and Jennings is coming along nicely, but it's not like our receivers have been world beaters. It would also be interesting to compare the number of drops. Sure seemed like we had a lot of them.
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I think Malone and Jennings were playing at a very high level. Behind them, it was suspect.
 
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Freak said:
I was looking at Dobbs' stats this morning. A few numbers...

I think one of the most amazing things about Dobbs is how many of us thought he'd make it through the last two years in this system without getting injured? He took some big hits at times.
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....he got banged up a little as a FR, but honestly--it is simply incredible that he didn't miss games due to injury....amazing! :salute:
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I'd love for someone like Bellichick or anyone who can coach up his passing skills to get him. Can't teach the physical traits he possesses
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The Pats drafted Jacoby Brissett who has a similar skill set to Dobbs( less speed and athleticism than Dobbs IMO though) so I don't think he would go there.

But I agree wholeheartedly with your point. I think Dobbs may surprise a lot of the naysayers on here, especially working under a dedicated QB coach with pro experience.
 
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His overall production and leadership leaves a massive hole to fill for whoever the next guy is. He played a lot of football here and a lot of good football over that time.
 
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Freak said:
I'm not sure what his completion percentage was 15 yards downfield, but he was third in yards per attempt (.1 yards behind Chad Kelly and .3 yards behind Austin Allen)

If you have some stats to share, I'd love to see them.

I thought he was much improved throwing downfield this year.
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This isn't exactly that, but, here are the percentage of completions that went for more that 15 yards and for more than 25 yards:

Deshaun Watson 30.6% 15+, 9.8% 25+

Joshua Dobbs 32% 15+, 12.9% 25+

Also, Dobbs' passing rating in the second half of games was 6th in the country for anyone throwing at least 100 passes. His second half completion % was 65%; his percentage of 15+ went up to 34.4%, and 25+ went up to 14.7%.

It's nonsense to say (as some on here continually say) that Josh only hit dink passes. The numbers say otherwise. Also, there isn't a team in the country who doesn't run excessive numbers of the short passes and screens. Just comparing our scheme to Clemson, the #1 difference is that we rarely run a true slant that might get loose, it's almost always more of a curl. The few games that we did run slants a couple of times, I kept praying that Debord was finally getting it, but we'd always head right back to curl types. The other major difference was that Dabo and Company never panic like Butch/Debord. One bad throw by Josh meant no more "risky" throws (i.e. anything mid-range and deeper), such as in the South Carolina game, where we refused to even attempt anything beyond 12 yards. Watson, on the other hand, chunks two interceptions early in the Ohio State game (and 3 in the Louisville game) and they don't change their offense at all. In fact, Watson was mediocre at best during the first half against Alabama, but rather than panic Clemson got MORE aggressive. There were some very risky throws in the second half. With an aggressive coach like Sweeney, Dobbs' numbers would have been through the roof.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Combine his physical traits with his phenomenal intelligence if he is drafted and coached up I think he will be a great QB
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Plus he got that dog in him. That competitive trait that is hard to come by. You either have it or you don't.

I think people will be surprised by how good a QB he can be when he doesn't have an engineering course load to worry about.
 
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05_never_again said:
What was his completion percentage throwing the ball, say, 15+ yards downfield? You should have at least a decent completion percentage when a high percentage of your throws are screens and quick slants.

The critique of Dobbs was a more specific one in that he was limited in what he could do as far as pushing the ball downfield.
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His average yards per attempt was higher than Watson. Dobbs wasnt limited by his downfield passing this past year. As a matter of fact, he was one of, if not the best downfield passers in the SEC.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Not going to have a 5 day argument with you
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There isn't an argument to be had. Dobbs was the best QB in the SEC this season, and it wasn't a close race.

He was arguably the best passer(Kelly being the only guy who can give argument to that, but even then I think Dobbs was better this season) and unarguably the best runner.

When you factor in our disaster of an offensive line to go along with it, his stats are that much more impressive.

Dobbs played well enough(outside of the South Carolina game, but **** happens..and I guess Bama game too but with how beat up we were entering that game, it didn't really matter) for use to be SEC East champs this year. It's a real shame a lot of the rest of the team didn't follow suit.
 
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Freak said:
I'm not sure what his completion percentage was 15 yards downfield, but he was third in yards per attempt (.1 yards behind Chad Kelly and .3 yards behind Austin Allen)

If you have some stats to share, I'd love to see them.

I thought he was much improved throwing downfield this year.
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Since when did anyone on VN ever let stats get in the way of their beliefs?

If Dobbs had of been Alabubba's QB, he would have been in the Heisman discussion - D4H
 
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Well, since everyone else is looking at Dobbs' stats.....I will, too...

Against RANKED TEAMS---either when we played them or in the FINAL rankings:

VT 10/19 91 yds 53% 3 TD 1 int

FLA 16/32 319 yds 50% 4 TD 2 int

UGa 16/26 230 yds 61.5% 3 TD 1 int

aTm 28/47 400 yds 60% 1 TD 2 int

Bam 16/27 92 yds 59% 0 TD 1 int

Totals: 86/151 1132 yds 57% 11 TD 7 int


KY 11/17 223 yds 65% 3 TD 1 int

Miz 15/22 223 yds 68% 3 TD 0 int

Van 31/34 340 yds 91% 2 TD 0 int

Totals: 57/73 786 yds 78% 8 TD 1 int...


Draw your own conclusions.....

Dobbs is behind Casey Clausen and Manning in combined passing and rushing yards.....and behind Clausen, Ainge, and Manning in career pass completions.....

And NEITHER Clausen nor Ainge were able to make it in the NFL.......

As a die-hard VOL fan...I think Dobbs is up there with the greatest VOLS of all time....:salute:
 
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Titans4Vols said:
There isn't an argument to be had. Dobbs was the best QB in the SEC this season, and it wasn't a close race.

He was arguably the best passer(Kelly being the only guy who can give argument to that, but even then I think Dobbs was better this season) and unarguably the best runner.

When you factor in our disaster of an offensive line to go along with it, his stats are that much more impressive.

Dobbs played well enough(outside of the South Carolina game, but **** happens..and I guess Bama game too but with how beat up we were entering that game, it didn't really matter) for use to be SEC East champs this year. It's a real shame a lot of the rest of the team didn't follow suit.
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Agree 100% the only argument was him and Hurts. Kelly was 3rd best. If one takes the whole picture in context then its fairly clear.

Dobbs given the things outside of his control he had ot face and the results he got is the best.

Hurts is in the conversation because of the fact he is a true freshman and put hup similar numbers though in a much better situation.

When you look at both guys and take everything into account it's a hard choice to make unless you are on team orange or team crimson. end of the day the nod went to Hurts because dobbs is gone and Hurts has 2-3 more years to get better. Honestly the stats say that they are about equal but imo you put Dobbs on that team and he wins the heisman and the clemson game would have been totally different.

Josh Dobbs behind a better oline with a more aggressive OC yummy. honestly as far as offenses went comparing Alabama and UT this year the only real differences talent wise were at Oline. It is really hard to knock Debord for being conservative in play calling with our Oline issues. They got better over the year which lead to him putting up better numbers..

People will keep pointing out the last 4 opponents without thinking about the fact we played 2 worse teams in the first 3 games and there was a definite difference. with the exception of one game this offense improved week to week in spite of injuries and defections.

He lead the SEC in deep TD's and TD's and everything that matters except wins. Playing behind 11 different combinations on oline.

Another interesting stat. This year only 2 people started every game on each side of the ball. Dobbs and Barnett are the easy answers the other 2 might surprise.
 
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