Looked at UCF recruiting and

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howie87 said:
About over people talking about stars and what not... I've watched enough years of UT nabbing top 10 or 15 classes and it producing hot trash on the field because of hot trash coaching... I just want to see player development, even if it's a team full of walk ons, I don't care...
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Same here. I don’t believe Dale Jones was highly rated. Had a pretty good career. The guy left it all on the field. I still remember his interception against Bama in 85 Sugar Bowl year as well as his sack of Testaverde in SB. Give me some of these guys.
 
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EtowahVol said:
Most are 3 stars with one 4 star. If he can coach these guys we got up, plus the ones coming in who knows we may have a diamond in the rough of a coach. Time will tell. Last 10 years been like riding a bicycle with no chain. As John Ward Said. IT'S TIME !!!!!!
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I think recruiting rankings are relative to conference. Tennessee is a great example. Routinely top 15 classes but 6-8th in the conference. I imagine UCFs class looks average but they are the biggest group of 5 school out there so those rankings would probably be top 3 Routinely in their conference. So time will tell if Heupel can improve his perceived rankings and yes maybe he will recruit better here than UCF as national perception but the school and conference has a lot to do with that. However against his immediate peers in the SEC we may not see a difference. If he recruits to a top 3 or 4 in the conference then we will see some great strides in my opinion. But as other have said recruiting is half the equation. Got to develop them to fill out their potential too.
 
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EtowahVol said:
Most are 3 stars with one 4 star. If he can coach these guys we got up, plus the ones coming in who knows we may have a diamond in the rough of a coach. Time will tell. Last 10 years been like riding a bicycle with no chain. As John Ward Said. IT'S TIME !!!!!!
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One thing about it UCF don't Play Bama, UF, nor UGA every year. Totally different ball game. The key for this coach and his offense is the QB. But remember his 1st two season he had Scott Frost recruits.
 
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howie87 said:
About over people talking about stars and what not... I've watched enough years of UT nabbing top 10 or 15 classes and it producing hot trash on the field because of hot trash coaching... I just want to see player development, even if it's a team full of walk ons, I don't care...
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Georgia State beat Tennessee with a roster full of players who would never have even been able to walk on at UT. Good/bad coaching is the key,
 
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you have to recruit the PLAYER that fits the team and system not the "stars" you want guys to work together, not as a ME I'm a 4-5 star
 
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howie87 said:
About over people talking about stars and what not... I've watched enough years of UT nabbing top 10 or 15 classes and it producing hot trash on the field because of hot trash coaching... I just want to see player development, even if it's a team full of walk ons, I don't care...
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You realize the teams killing us and the programs we want to be like are all loaded with 4 and 5 star players right? Coaching matters, but you aren't winning with regularity in this conference without top 10 classes.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
This is pure speculation! Gus had some decent offenses and a Pruitt lead D gave him a loss at Auburn. I am not saying JH can't coach an O. But, you can't say nonsense of a bunch of 3 star players outside the P5 would DESTROY a decent SEC team in 2018 and 2019.
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We were beaten by more than one team with 3 star talent. Several on here still can't stop talking about GaSt and BYU. We would have been decimated.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You realize the teams killing us and the programs we want to be like are all loaded with 4 and 5 star players right? Coaching matters, but you aren't winning with regularity in this conference without top 10 classes.
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But don't you remember that team that did it that year, back, when was it...When was that time that the Group of 5 team won the BCS? Or maybe not the BCS, but didn't they win the playoff one year, or beat the team that won the playoff?

Oh yeah, it never happened. And won't. But don't tell that to the pumpers because they are ten miles deep into their denial of reality.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
been saying this for years.
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Listened to Dale Jones on Basilio, wealth of knowledge and said the same thing. Talked about the qualities they look for and it isn’t all about athleticism. Although he is the DC, talked about how tough their offensive line is and how they play together. Need difference makers, but the mainly intelligent, hard nosed football players.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You realize the teams killing us and the programs we want to be like are all loaded with 4 and 5 star players right? Coaching matters, but you aren't winning with regularity in this conference without top 10 classes.
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Yep, I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.

Just look at the teams that have won the NC during the BCS era and now the playoff era. ALL of them had at least of couple of top 10 recruiting classes. You have to have the Jimmy's and the Joe's. That makes the X's and O's much easier.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Yep, I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.

Just look at the teams that have won the NC during the BCS era and now the playoff era. ALL of them had at least of couple of top 10 recruiting classes. You have to have the Jimmy's and the Joe's. That kakes the X's and O's much easier.
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No question a team needs talent and depth but talent alone doesn’t make a team. For me, I want to see competitive football again. I want to see a team that doesn’t quit and utilizes the talent they have to the best advantage. Play and coach the right way and the right talent, regardless of star rating, will want to come play for CJH and UT. Don’t use Bama as a gauge, they are an anomaly. With Mark Emmert as the NCAA president, the stars aligned perfectly for Saban. Players need to stop worrying about winning and focus on playing well while enjoying the experience, wins are a byproduct of this and they will come.
 
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Mightyvol said:
No question a team needs talent and depth but talent alone doesn’t make a team. For me, I want to see competitive football again. I want to see a team that doesn’t quit and utilizes the talent they have to the best advantage. Play and coach the right way and the right talent, regardless of star rating, will want to come play for CJH and UT. Don’t use Bama as a gauge, they are an anomaly. With Mark Emmert as the NCAA president, the stars aligned perfectly for Saban. Players need to stop worrying about winning and focus on playing well while enjoying the experience, wins are a byproduct of this and they will come.
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Right. You can have all the talent in the world and still not win a natty. See Bowl Cut Kirby at Georgia as a great example of this. However, you can still have great coaching and marginal talent in this conference and still get whacked every week by the better teams. I don't care who coaches at Miss State, KY, Vandy, or Missouri. None of these teams will win a Natty in my lifetime because they simply do not recruit good enough players.
 
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EtowahVol said:
Most are 3 stars with one 4 star. If he can coach these guys we got up, plus the ones coming in who knows we may have a diamond in the rough of a coach. Time will tell. Last 10 years been like riding a bicycle with no chain. As John Ward Said. IT'S TIME !!!!!!
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Basilio had Dale Jones on today and he said there was a site that reevaluates recruiting classes after they finish college. He said one of theirs that was rated around 100 ended up ranked 17th.
Unless you can cherry pick 5 stars like Bama you need to recruit based on evaluation and not rankings. That’s what killed Fulmer.

We need ball players.
 
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Bottom line: If you want to win championships (in our case starting with the SEC), you cannot without both the roster AND the coaching.

Teams with talent but no coaching can still win some games, even against a good team every now and then. They will also lose to teams they should not in a volume higher than they should based on talent. They will never win a championship.

Teams with good coaching but no talent can still win some games, even against a good team that has a bad day. They will also lose regularly to the good teams with good coaching. They will never win a championship.

I do not think this has changed since 1869.
 
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I would like someone to break down our roster from a 2020, now, and where we need to be in the fall. Can we negotiate with NCAA saying "we accept a one year bowl ban and X many freshman schollys if you let us offer schollys to JUCO next two years"? Just trying to think of some way we can fill in the holes, get back to a bowl, become relevant again. I am not getting this kind of information from the "Recruiting" thread. Thanks.
 
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A kind of outsided example of the worth of star ratings:I worked in cardiac open heart and step-down(post surgical)units for eighteen years,after working in surgery for ten years.If you ever notice when you have an ekg done,at the top of the page,a diagnosis with blocks/infarcts/ischemic changes,etc. are listed.At one hospital I worked at in Florida,the ekg dept. started cutting the diagnosis off because doctors would only read them and not use their knowledge to interpret the strip/printout.So,stars alone don't mean too much.Heart and desire count for a hell of a lot.Bill Bates, Tom Brady for examples.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You realize the teams killing us and the programs we want to be like are all loaded with 4 and 5 star players right? Coaching matters, but you aren't winning with regularity in this conference without top 10 classes.
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And here's someone incapable of grasping the original point... We've had the classes regularly over the past 10 years with no results...
 
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Mightyvol said:
No question a team needs talent and depth but talent alone doesn’t make a team. For me, I want to see competitive football again. I want to see a team that doesn’t quit and utilizes the talent they have to the best advantage. Play and coach the right way and the right talent, regardless of star rating, will want to come play for CJH and UT. Don’t use Bama as a gauge, they are an anomaly. With Mark Emmert as the NCAA president, the stars aligned perfectly for Saban. Players need to stop worrying about winning and focus on playing well while enjoying the experience, wins are a byproduct of this and they will come.
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I have flown with several guys that played football at the Air Force Academy. Some told me that even though they were lining up against teams that were physically bigger and stronger than they were, they knew their weaknesses and were able to exploit them. now granted the AFA was not a powerhouse by any stretch, but they did beat some top notch teams over the years. It was by being smart. Sometimes they said it was almost funny watching those other teams making obviously stupid plays/reactions to them.

Kind of like Charlie. Hiding in the grass. waiting for us to make a mistake. oh.. sorry... flashback..
 
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howie87 said:
And here's someone incapable of grasping the original point... We've had the classes regularly over the past 10 years with no results...
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Clearly you're missing the point. It's not one or the other. It's both. The recruits aren't pointless no matter who the coach is.
 
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