LK Said We Have To First Beat UF, Bama, and LSU

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rexvol said:
I think some teams such as Boise have shown that talent isnt everything
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Living in Florida, I've had the chance to see how UF has built their program. Yes they bring in amazingly talented players, but that isn't all they do. These guys that play for the Gators buy in to the whole Gator experience. They love the traditions and practices that go on around that place. For my money, that is what CDD needs to try to get. We want the talent, but if the guys come in just playing on talent, and don't care anything about our awesome traditions, then this will not work. I think CDD knows that, and understands that LSU, Bama, and UF are on that same track. LK brought in the talent, but I'm not sure he understood the history and love of Tennessee football. I really think CDD gets it, and will get us where we want to be.
 
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rexvol said:
Stone I will give you and Lofton (although most think he wont get in), but Propbst, Neal, and Clark had weak offers.
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Believe that Hunter was left off this list. As for Neal, I wouldn't consider offers from Penn St. and FSU weak.

On a separate but related note, I often read of Kiffin's recruiting prowess. I won't argue that he is good. However, I would credit much of the buzz to Gran's efforts in FL last year and having Monte on the staff. Remember folks wondering aloud about Chaz Green's favorable comments regarding possibly playing for Monte at USC ("but Monte's the DC")?
 
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#104
Here's the bottom line on recruiting.....

If our coaches can take this talent and win, the fruits of the coaching job will be better players taking notice. So, allow these coaches to coach, and if they are good enough coaches, we will get the talent we all seek to have on the sidelines. None of the "real" top guys even gave us a shot last year, even though we were told how great our coaches were last year, save Bryce.
 
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And aside from when Vick was there, they never really had any teams that were title contenders... And Beamer has been there forever.
 
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rexvol said:
In recruiting. A thread on TOS got me to thinking.



from poster on TOS
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Coach Pearl took us to a number 1 ranking with 2nd tier recruits. Player development and coaching can go a long way, but in the end talent reigns supreme
 
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#110
Well rex since didn't like the way i phrased my post so I'll clarify some.

I didn't say Nick Saban wasn't the main recruiter. I was alluding to the fact that Dooley was heavily involved in a functional recruiting process on an SEC level and thus knows what it takes. That said Nick Saban's staff works hard or isn't retained. Saying it's Saban alone that does the work is incorrect and Saban would be the first to tell you.

As far as the 2001 LSU team's talent. No they didn't have inferior talent. I actually reworded what i wrote and forgot to take out the word inferior (hence the bizarre read). The reference was in comparison to Tennessee's 2001 team. In all honesty he gave such a weird answer to that question which was asking about both his team and Meyer's team that I think he was under the impression of was that the question was about the talent he was facing, not what he had.

If you think those two teams were on par you're just looking to start an argument. Saban himself listed the 2001 Tennessee team as the most talented team he's played against (though not in those words) in an article where Saban was asked if he had ever seen as much talent on the field as he would for the 09 SEC Championship game.

On the subject of not using what Dooley did at the end of this year's signing class as a basis for everything he's going to do, I agree with that sentiment also. My point in bringing up the last class was that he did go after 4-5 star talent in the short time he had to recruit, even if he did take lower rated players due to time and stability constraints.
 
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I think where the WAC has the advantage in post season, is that they don't get near as banged up or as worn down as teams playing in SEC all year. If we played in the WAC, we may have had more linebackers available to play in the bowl. Just a hunch.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
I think where the WAC has the advantage in post season, is that they don't get near as banged up or as worn down as teams playing in SEC all year. If we played in the WAC, we may have had more linebackers available to play in the bowl. Just a hunch.
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Dooley lost 14 of his 22 starters at some point in time to injury last season, if I am not mistaken.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Dooley lost 14 of his 22 starters at some point in time to injury last season, if I am not mistaken.
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Injuries can happen from all sorts of things. I have to believe that the long SEC season does wear a team down and depth is a huge issue where WAC teams may not have to deal with that as much.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Injuries can happen from all sorts of things. I have to believe that the long SEC season does wear a team down and depth is a huge issue where WAC teams may not have to deal with that as much.
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A lot of the times, a WAC team is barely one deep at positions. They have a higher drop off rate of skill than the upper conferences.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
A lot of the times, a WAC team is barely one deep at positions. They have a higher drop off rate of skill than the upper conferences.
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Yep. I agree with you on that point. Boise definitely knows how to go bowling. I do wonder how many BCS bowls they would have made if playing in the SEC due to that lack of depth, my guess is they would be pretty banged up come bowl season. But then again, if they played in the SEC, they may have more depth from better recruiting. So maybe it all pans out.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
A lot of the times, a WAC team is barely one deep at positions. They have a higher drop off rate of skill than the upper conferences.
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Even if he won 9 I'd still be skeptical. This hire MAY turn out well, but I really don't see it as much other than a shot in the dark.
 
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TX and FL had talent last year and got rolled by AL where UT nearly upset them. You have to have enough speed and size to stay with the opposition. You have to have a plan that neutralizes theirs. Then you have to show up and execute. You can push on one element or another but it takes a combination to get the W. I do not believe it takes a top 3 recruiting class to beat any team in the NCAA but it takes a top 10-15 to stay with most of the SEC. Give us 2 more good linebackers and a consistent QB and we probably lose only 2 games last year.
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tvolsfan said:
Even if he won 9 I'd still be skeptical. This hire MAY turn out well, but I really don't see it as much other than a shot in the dark.
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He's got a huge task. Not being a big name himself, I have my doubts on how well CDD will recruit. I like some of what he is saying but we'll have to wait and see. If I had my way, I would have thrown a boat load of cash at big name coach but I cannot think who my choice would have been.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
He's got a huge task. Not being a big name himself, I have my doubts on how well CDD will recruit. I like some of what he is saying but we'll have to wait and see. If I had my way, I would have thrown a boat load of cash at big name coach but I cannot think who my choice would have been.
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The timing of it all eliminated all big names that would have been interested.
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#124
You can have all the talent in the world and not win. We have showed that over the years. Just look at the early90's we had more talent than anyone and we didn't do anything with it. I know we won it all in 98 but look at 97or even 96.
You have to have the coaches with the ability to coach the kids and put schemes together week after week. Especially in the SEC!!!!!
We will get there! I think we have a core group of coaches that have shown they can coach these kids and with a few key recruits we are back in the game!
Maybe a little bit of the orange blinders but truly we have alot of talent right now. They are just young and when we add in a line on both sides of the ball we should be great.

Have faith and let it play out
 
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BigOrangeD said:
He's got a huge task. Not being a big name himself, I have my doubts on how well CDD will recruit. I like some of what he is saying but we'll have to wait and see. If I had my way, I would have thrown a boat load of cash at big name coach but I cannot think who my choice would have been.
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CDD played a major roll in making LSU a power house and when you look back at when Saban was hired down there he was just a solid coach from Michigan State nothing special. He had a great formula but needed the right situation to put in place-the SEC. This is when he became a rock star and CDD watched and learned this system.
Will it play out the same way? No one knows this answer so what we should do is stop trying to kill the man before he even coaches his first game and has time to recruits HIS first class.
 
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