Limited Offensive Playbook?

[Dougie_D]

When we hired Debord, did he actually bring any new plays?

Butch made it out like we would have some type of advantage because our players wouldn't have to learn new terminology. That's BS.

There are SO MANY teams that continue their strengths with new OC or DC's.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

When we hired Debord, did he actually bring any new plays?

Butch made it out like we would have some type of advantage because our players wouldn't have to learn new terminology. That's BS.

There are SO MANY teams that continue their strengths with new OC or DC's.

Honestly our offense isn't that bad, when Butch thinks the game is close. We did well until we got to 17 points.

I mean it's not a coincidence that we didn't score at all in the second half, but score a TD on the first possesion of OT.

Yes, Ellis dropped a sure TD, but what other hope were we shown?

Just as Butch says how the players aren't there yet, neither is he. I hope that's he's finally learned that in today's era, no lead is large enough.

 

[Nasavol]

When we hired Debord, did he actually bring any new plays?

Butch made it out like we would have some type of advantage because our players wouldn't have to learn new terminology. That's BS.

There are SO MANY teams that continue their strengths with new OC or DC's.

The playbook may be limited due to the lack of arm talent of our starting QB.

 

[McDad]

Honestly our offense isn't that bad, when Butch thinks the game is close. We did well until we got to 17 points.

I mean it's not a coincidence that we didn't score at all in the second half, but score a TD on the first possesion of OT.

Yes, Ellis dropped a sure TD, but what other hope were we shown?

Just as Butch says how the players aren't there yet, neither is he. I hope that's he's finally learned that in today's era, no lead is large enough.

Those first two plays of the second half had a new wrinkle to them. Jalen had a great run and Smith had a nice gain on his catch. We were aggressive. Then the wheels came off.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Our playbook is limited by the experience (age) of our team. Funny how three different offensive coaches have come through here and done the same style of play since dools.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

Those first two plays of the second half had a new wrinkle to them. Jalen had a great run and Smith had a nice gain on his catch. We were aggressive. Then the wheels came off.

Good point, actually.

My memory may be a little foggy considering all I can think about is how much of a failure that game turned out to be.

All I can remember from the second half was thinking to myself, "If our offense kills the momentum that our defense has gained for them once again..."

 

[RunWitMe]

Honestly our offense isn't that bad, when Butch thinks the game is close. We did well until we got to 17 points.

I mean it's not a coincidence that we didn't score at all in the second half, but score a TD on the first possesion of OT.

Yes, Ellis dropped a sure TD, but what other hope were we shown?

Just as Butch says how the players aren't there yet, neither is he. I hope that's he's finally learned that in today's era, no lead is large enough.

We scored on the first possession of OT because we got to start at the 25yd line.

I think we should have went for it on 4th and goal. If you don't get it, you have the other team in a terrible spot.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

We scored on the first possession of OT because we got to start at the 25yd line.

I think we should have went for it on 4th and goal. If you don't get it, you have the other team in a terrible spot.

I think we scored on the first posession because we were forced to play aggressively.

Agree on the second point.

 

[McDad]

Good point, actually.

My memory may be a little foggy considering all I can think about is how much of a failure that game turned out to be.

All I can remember from the second half was thinking to myself, "If our offense kills the momentum that our defense has gained for them once again..."

I had forgotten it as well. Heard that observation on the radio.

How many times has Hurd fumbled? Not many. And he puts it on the ground and moves us out of an easier field goal if he doesn't fumble and the play gains zero yardage.

 

[LWSVOL]

When we hired Debord, did he actually bring any new plays?

Butch made it out like we would have some type of advantage because our players wouldn't have to learn new terminology. That's BS.

There are SO MANY teams that continue their strengths with new OC or DC's.

JMO

due to Dobbs consistency issues they will not risk many throws between the hashes. I have to go back and look at tape but I only recall two throws between the hashes. When the defense doesn't have to account for the middle of the field it makes playing defense much easier.

Don't be fooled about who owns this offense. I said it last year and it is still true. this is Butch Jones offense. At the end of the day the coordinator will do what Butch wants.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

I had forgotten it as well. Heard that observation on the radio.

How many times has Hurd fumbled? Not many. And he puts it on the ground and moves us out of an easier field goal if he doesn't fumble and the play gains zero yardage.

I think he's fumbled twice in his career.

 

[McDad]

I think he's fumbled twice in his career.

Counting the one against OU? I thought he lost 2 last season and then had the one he recovered against OK.

Either way, it isn't a lot. The fumble which stalled the drive has nothing to do with conservative play calling, making adjustments, or playing not to lose.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

Counting the one against OU? I thought he lost 2 last season and then had the one he recovered against OK.

Either way, it isn't a lot. The fumble which stalled the drive has nothing to do with conservative play calling, making adjustments, or playing not to lose.

I can only recall the one in the UGA game last year.

But as you said, it's not a big deal either way.

 

[Other_Guy]

With the foot on the gas the offense did well. They are plenty capable. Any offense playing conservative will not perform well. Like if the defense plays prevent the.2nd.half what will happen...

 

[vol445]

The playbook may be limited due to the lack of arm talent of our starting QB.

People were actually saying a dark horse for the heisman. Now I wasn't one of those but let's not dog on Dobbs because of one game

 

[JFBanicki]

JMO

due to Dobbs consistency issues they will not risk many throws between the hashes. I have to go back and look at tape but I only recall two throws between the hashes. When the defense doesn't have to account for the middle of the field it makes playing defense much easier.

Don't be fooled about who owns this offense. I said it last year and it is still true. this is Butch Jones offense. At the end of the day the coordinator will do what Butch wants.

Exactly and I think this is also why he wouldn't hire a better read option OC. He wants total control of the O, including influencing the playcalling. Theres a reason we have such horrible playcalling and the fact that Debord is just as bad a Bajakian isn't completely coincidence.

Whats really sad is he hired his mentor, who noone else would even think to consider, probably hoping to get his name back in the mix of coaches. But now everyone sees he's just as bland, predictable and uncreative. I also don't see CBJ having the balls to tell him to hit the road and Debord is too full of himself and his national title that he would never admit he sucks and quit to help CBJ. So sadly I see us being stuck with this predictable playcalling and playbook that ignores our players strengths and seems to force them to play to their weaknesses.

Thats the other thing. I honestly think they believe that by forcing plays on our players that expose their weaknesses, the coaches believe it will help them get better. I get the whole idea of turning weaknesses into strengths, but there are better ways to do it then design plays to highlight them and theres WAY better times to work on them than in the middle of a game.

 

[KBVol]

JMO

due to Dobbs consistency issues they will not risk many throws between the hashes. I have to go back and look at tape but I only recall two throws between the hashes. When the defense doesn't have to account for the middle of the field it makes playing defense much easier.

Don't be fooled about who owns this offense. I said it last year and it is still true. this is Butch Jones offense. At the end of the day the coordinator will do what Butch wants.

But in the middle of the field is where Dobbs has had the overwhelming majority of his throwing success in his career. Where he struggles is outside of the hashes, especially deep down the field.

 

[volfaninutah]

We took the foot off the accelerator. I think he actually thought 17 would be enough because the defense looked really good. He has to have that killer instinct. Because against good teams 17 will not be enough. I thought it would be enough myself. I left the house in the middle of the 4 th quarter feeling all warm and fuzzy that we were gonna be them( I was recording it). And walked back at the interception in overtime. I was stunned. We DID let a big one get away. I did like the way we went toe-to-toe with them.

 

[MurphyVol]

JMO

due to Dobbs consistency issues they will not risk many throws between the hashes. I have to go back and look at tape but I only recall two throws between the hashes. When the defense doesn't have to account for the middle of the field it makes playing defense much easier.

Don't be fooled about who owns this offense. I said it last year and it is still true. this is Butch Jones offense. At the end of the day the coordinator will do what Butch wants.

Man, going to be tough to win we we take away 60%/of the field. With Wolfe and Pig its going to be a shame if we can't get comfortable using using the middle of the field

 

[CountVolcula]

Limited Offensive Knowledge

 

[Jax_Vol]

We didn't want to show too much prior to Western Carolina

 

[bjsvols1]

JMO

due to Dobbs consistency issues they will not risk many throws between the hashes. I have to go back and look at tape but I only recall two throws between the hashes. When the defense doesn't have to account for the middle of the field it makes playing defense much easier.

Don't be fooled about who owns this offense. I said it last year and it is still true. this is Butch Jones offense. At the end of the day the coordinator will do what Butch wants.

IMO, this is why Bajakian left. While I don't know the details of his departure, it' pretty obvious after Saturday that this is Butch's offense. I don't necessarily fault the individual playcalling as much as I do some of the philosophies. Butch has the ability to be very innovative, but goes conservative when he has a lead. A pattern is emerging and it's not good. There were some things in the offense, particularly the passing game, that I think always appeared to be Bajakian. He was great at setting things up for later in the game. I just don't think Debord has that ability. My suspicion is Bajakian left because Butch wouldn't fully let him evolve and develop the offense. This is not good, IMO.

I like Butch and his assistants, but I question whether this staff is good enough and Butch gives some of them enough freedom. IMO, Fulmer's downfall was micromanaging the offense after Cut left the first time. Maybe Butch will give Debord more freedom, but I'm not sure that is a good thing.

 

[GAVol]

Those first two plays of the second half had a new wrinkle to them. Jalen had a great run and Smith had a nice gain on his catch. We were aggressive. Then the wheels came off.

The Dobbs TD run was a new wrinkle too and we've been using Hurd in a lot of Power Sweep/Read action that we never used last year.

 

[nash101]

When we hired Debord, did he actually bring any new plays?

Butch made it out like we would have some type of advantage because our players wouldn't have to learn new terminology. That's BS.

There are SO MANY teams that continue their strengths with new OC or DC's.

Oklahoma has a new OC. Took them 3 quarters to get on track. We've had 3 years and couldnt move the ball at all in the 4th quarter

 

[Vols Bish!!]

The Dobbs TD run was a new wrinkle too and we've been using Hurd in a lot of Power Sweep/Read action that we never used last year.

Could've sworn I saw Dobbs fake a dive and run to the corner last year. Maybe it was a dream.