Letter to Bray "Media"

#51
#51
BigOrangeRock!!! said:
Open Letter to Mark Weidmer

Dear Mark,

Bray is a a kid who isn't getting a penny and being told 1000 times a day what to do by someone being paid millions. Write a letter to Coach Dooley and quit calling out our players.
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Dear BigOrangeRock!!!,

Mark gets paid to cover Tennessee football. Writing an article about the players that is approved by his editor for their newspaper is perfectly within the scope of his employment.

Also, a four year education is arguably worth more than a penny.
 
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OrangeSummit said:
so if someone has a different opinion then yours, they're wrong? someone has a high opinion of them self. it's one man's opinion, he's in titled. P.S. he's paid for his, are you?
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No. It does not mean they are wrong. It also does not mean they are right does it? He's entitled to have a high opinion of himself, or I'm entitled to believe he has a high opinion of himself? You weren't real clear on that one.

I don't recall saying one way or the other about whether I agreed with his comments or not. I said he made himself look like a self indulgent fool by putting it out there the way he did. What? Because he is a sportswriter, he feels he in some way, shape or form is the person to try and correct any bad traits TB might have.....IN THE MEDIA.

Finally. No. I don't get paid to write my opinion of athletes or sports programs. I don't get paid to put a "Letter to Tyler Bray" out there for the world to see and then proceed to bash him or his character with it.

I come on here and play and goof off and try to have fun with other VN posters, But what I get paid for is Adult Education. Meaning, I deal with these things in real life everyday. When I actually sit down and write something about a college student, I get paid to actually put down on paper (or the computer) something of substance that is meaningful and could possibly have a positive end result. You're right though. The sports writers opinion probably carries a little more weight than mine in this case.

And now for my apologies. I just got done slamming someone else in another thread for being on their high horse. I'll start climbing down off of mine now.
 
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BaldBiker said:
No. It does not mean they are wrong. It also does not mean they are right does it? He's entitled to have a high opinion of himself, or I'm entitled to believe he has a high opinion of himself? You weren't real clear on that one.

I don't recall saying one way or the other about whether I agreed with his comments or not. I said he made himself look like a self indulgent fool by putting it out there the way he did. What? Because he is a sportswriter, he feels he in some way, shape or form is the person to try and correct any bad traits TB might have.....IN THE MEDIA.

Finally. No. I don't get paid to write my opinion of athletes or sports programs. I don't get paid to put a "Letter to Tyler Bray" out there for the world to see and then proceed to bash him or his character with it.

I come on here and play and goof off and try to have fun with other VN posters, But what I get paid for is Adult Education. Meaning, I deal with these things in real life everyday. When I actually sit down and write something about a college student, I get paid to actually put down on paper (or the computer) something of substance that is meaningful and could possibly have a positive end result. You're right though. The sports writers opinion probably carries a little more weight than mine in this case.

And now for my apologies. I just got done slamming someone else in another thread for being on their high horse. I'll start climbing down off of mine now.
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fair enough, well put.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
You think Bray doesn't realize all this stuff, and he needs a letter written to him for a little enlightenment? Lame....
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Just like he didn't need to watch film of the second half of the FLA game because he already knew he didn't play well?
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Dear BigOrangeRock!!!,

Mark gets paid to cover Tennessee football. Writing an article about the players that is approved by his editor for their newspaper is perfectly within the scope of his employment.

Also, a four year education is arguably worth more than a penny.
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Dear GoBigOrangeVol,

This is a letter to you, not about you.

Yeah, the scholarship is worth more than a penny, good point. But this is not an article about Bray, it is an open public letter to Bray. Lastly, what does an editor's approvals have to do with anything?
 
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OrangeSummit said:
so if someone has a different opinion then yours, they're wrong? someone has a high opinion of them self. it's one man's opinion, he's in titled. P.S. he's paid for his, are you?
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Getting paid to do it adds the need for professionalism. I think that's the point most on here are trying to make.

:hi:
 
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BigOrangeRock!!! said:
Open Letter to Mark Weidmer

Dear Mark,

Bray is a a kid who isn't getting a penny and being told 1000 times a day what to do by someone being paid millions. Write a letter to Coach Dooley and quit calling out our players.
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oh this kid stuff again... since when is 20 year old (21 in december) a "kid"?

He's an adult playing college ball to make it to the league with hopes to make millions and if he's not going to put it all out there for the Vols every single saturday (and in practice), then I don't want him.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
oh this kid stuff again... since when is 20 year old (21 in december) a "kid"?

He's an adult playing college ball to make it to the league with hopes to make millions and if he's not going to put it all out there for the Vols every single saturday (and in practice), then I don't want him.
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21 is considered an adult.
 
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Dear Mark Wiedmer,

Just writing to ask you to use your time wisely. Certainly, with a name like "Wiedmer," it's tempting to blow off a little steam this time of year. Besides, in case you haven't realized it, your journalism career is basically two-thirds over. From the looks of you, it might even be nine-tenths over.

For now, Mark, you need to buckle down in the press room, verify your sources, don't rely too much on "facts" reported by the AP and other wire services. In case you haven't figured it out yet, for 12 weekends every autumn, a small, fraction of a percent of readers who have exhausted every option in sports journalism follows your work.

It could argued that at least some of this isn't your fault. That Patrick What's-his-name guy always gets the more interesting assignments, and your paper's editor is too obsessed with digging up salaries of government employees to worry about all that football stuff. And, to be fair, some serious dweebs post to your paper's Facebook page.

Instead of being grateful that your mistakes didn't cost your paper hundreds of subscribers, you seemed to embrace the notion that your sad writing ability could always carry the day. You didn't need to use spell-checker. You didn't need to understand "the grammars." You didn't need to get your work to the editor's desk three hours before press time, because, hey, you'd been winging it and flinging it all your life to pretty fair results.

Don't become the problem. Become the solution. Stop writing condescending "letters" to players who have ten times more ability and potential than you've ever had, and spend your time finding and reporting information that is useful to readers.
 
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BigOrangeRock!!! said:
Dear GoBigOrangeVol,

This is a letter to you, not about you.

Yeah, the scholarship is worth more than a penny, good point. But this is not an article about Bray, it is an open public letter to Bray. Lastly, what does an editor's approvals have to do with anything?
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It is an article formatted as an open letter. Are we arguing semantics?

I believe that the author is well within the confines of his job with the substance of the open letter (article). I don't really even feel it touches on any gray area, and I applaud the author for putting in a newspaper things that are typically only said on blogs and message boards.

I don't think most of the people in this thread would be up in arms over the author crossing some sort of boundary if the author had made this open letter (article) targeting Zack Mettenberger, or last year Stephen Garcia.
 
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OrangeSummit said:
all i know is the truth hurts. if it wasn't true, feelings would not be hurt. read it tyler, take it to heart. you can leave UT a hero (beat bama, come back for your senior year and led UT back to the elite) or a zero ( people say all that talent and nothing to show for it). it's on your shoulders, not dooleys or anyone else. think about it....peyton, heath, tee....tyler. go grab it.
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Tyler is more talented than Peyton was at UT. Physically. So that leaves what to blame for incomparable success? Probably focus, drive and motivation. These were the areas of critique. I say warranted. Times a wasting. Be a Manning or be a Leaf.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
It is an article formatted as an open letter. Are we arguing semantics?

I believe that the author is well within the confines of his job with the substance of the open letter (article). I don't really even feel it touches on any gray area, and I applaud the author for putting in a newspaper things that are typically only said on blogs and message boards.

I don't think most of the people in this thread would be up in arms over the author crossing some sort of boundary if the author had made this open letter (article) targeting Zack Mettenberger, or last year Stephen Garcia.
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My guess is nobody on here would have read it at all had it been to one of the two aforementioned players. Because they are not on our team. But, in fact it would not have made it any less wrong and I'm pretty sure the majority of the fans of those teams would have had the same feelings about the "article" as you call it.
 
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.....I don't care about the letter, I care that Tyler is getting some of the best protection in college football and increasing amount of help from the running backs and as a result he needs to be more productive in pressure situations......period!
 
#75
#75
Letter to Tyler Bray,

Please disregard the previous letter . Listen to your coaches or the likes of Peyton Manning.

Letter to Mark Weidmer,
Terrible way to address a young man who is giving his all on the field for UT .

Probably a one on one conversation or private letter would be more appropriate, not the way you did it.
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