Let's Talk About Sin

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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I read the study you provided, and am quite familiar with other socioeconomic demographics, which is why I responded. It would seem apparent the only whimsical analysis being presented is the study you referenced which claims... "the states with the highest murder rates tend to be the highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates tend to be among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon."

I'm not disputing which states have higher murder rates, only the authors suggestion that the correlation to the crime is "high religious rates".

Here is a list of America's top 10 deadliest cities.

Flint, MI
Detroit, MI
New Orleans, LA
St. Louis, MO
Baltimore, MD
Birmingham, AL
Newark, NJ
Oakland, CA
Baton Rouge, LA
Cleveland, OH
Memphis, TN

Honest question... do you think the biggest (and most likely) common denominator among these cities is that the residents of these areas have a higher percentage of "believers" versus "non-believers" as compared to safer cities? Because this is what the study you referenced is purporting.

Here's some other information you might find interesting. Provo, UT is the most religious metro area in the U.S. So according to the study you cited it should also have one of the highest violent crime rates. However, here's how it stacks up... well below half that of the national average.

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That seems odd. Why do you think that is Septic, as it completely contradicts your study?

I look forward to your response.
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You could have just said correlation doesn't always imply causation. I'd have agreed. Really. I would have.

The posting of study was to combat what is the woefully ignorant assertion by a poster that atheists are somehow less moral or more prone to crime since there is no one to answer to in a after life.

The study shows that crime rates do NOT support that profoundly moronic "immoral atheist" hypothesis. (The fact that the 'more religious' areas also tended to correlate to higher crime, while anecdotally interesting, is completely irrelevant to my point.) It's ironic however, that you chose to rally your retort around that part.

When a study offers broad samples such as States and Countries - cherry picking one city (Provo) in an attempt to disprove said study is a bit silly and intellectually insulting - c'mon man, of course there will be exceptions. The study looked at broad tendencies that can't be ignored when regarded in the context of this debate.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wrong. Atheists are saying all the time if God was this then why did he do that. I have debated with plenty of atheists who blame God for genocide, wars and pretty much anything horrible that has happened throughout history. Deflect all you wish but I have read it in this forum and other on the internet.

I have atheist friends who do exactly what I have said. They say the same things you and other atheists say like, if God was prefect then why did he blah, blah. You cannot blame God for anything without believing he exists. You and many other atheists cannot or refuse to grasp this concept. I am not surprised though because its typical atheist ridiculousness.
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Again and again... Wow. You really are on a whole 'nuther wavelength son. Your complete misunderstanding of what atheists are and what they 'believe' is truly shocking.
 
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Septic said:
Again and again... Wow. You really are on a whole 'nuther wavelength son. Your complete misunderstanding of what atheists are and what they 'believe' is truly shocking.
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I was unaware there was an atheist manifest and a common school of thought.
If we Christians could agree like that it would be awesome.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I was unaware there was an atheist manifest and a common school of thought.
If we Christians could agree like that it would be awesome.
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The common "school of thought" that all atheists share is a rejection in the belief of gods. Any other understanding is a complete misunderstanding.

Christians can't even agree which version of Yahweh is the right one, only that that he existed, and that their version is correct.

I can see why it would be troubling trying to rationalize which version chose a certain sub set after 13 billion years.

What kind of Jew are you?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope just debating with atheists. Why? Does that statement bother you? Atheists can claim belief in God is stupid and illogical. I am just stating that a belief of nothing is stupid and illogical. Whats wrong with that?
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1. You claimed that all atheists blame God when something goes wrong. That's as incorrect as it is asinine. It makes you look like an *******, sir. An *******.

2. You're as bad as MercyPercy, but at least he's funny.

3. There have only been 3 posters in here who have claimed your belief is stupid. The rest have carried themselves well but then again, you've probably only taken the time to read their posts because the other had too many words for your liking.

4. While there have been many on your side of the fence that have carried themselves with a bit of logic and good critical thinking, I'm disappointed to see that they haven't corrected your bull****. You've done nothing but make sweeping generalizations that not only confirm the worst in what some think of Certain Christians, but they make you look like a prick as well.
 
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Septic said:
The common "school of thought" that all atheists share is a rejection in the belief of gods. Any other understanding is a complete misunderstanding.

Christians can't even agree which version of Yahweh is the right one, only that that he existed, and that their version is correct.

I can see why it would be troubling trying to rationalize which version chose a certain sub set after 13 billion years.

What kind of Jew are you?
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Well I believe I'm from the tribe of Dan if you must know. My great great grandfather came here to escape the Natzi in the early 30s.

Why does that matter you racist piece of Shat?
 
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Septic said:
Again and again... Wow. You really are on a whole 'nuther wavelength son. Your complete misunderstanding of what atheists are and what they 'believe' is truly shocking.
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Well apparently there are many forms of atheism then. All I am saying is what I have encountered. I know exactly what atheism means. That's why I found it strange that my friends who are atheists, blame God when they don't even believe in him.

Honest question, what made you choose atheism as your religion of choice?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
1. You claimed that all atheists blame God when something goes wrong. That's as incorrect as it is asinine. It makes you look like an *******, sir. An *******.

2. You're as bad as MercyPercy, but at least he's funny.

3. There have only been 3 posters in here who have claimed your belief is stupid. The rest have carried themselves well but then again, you've probably only taken the time to read their posts because the other had too many words for your liking.

4. While there have been many on your side of the fence that have carried themselves with a bit of logic and good critical thinking, I'm disappointed to see that they haven't corrected your bull****. You've done nothing but make sweeping generalizations that not only confirm the worst in what some think of Certain Christians, but they make you look like a prick as well.
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1. I never said ALL atheists blame God. I said I have debated with many that do. So you just made yourself look stupid. Learn how to read.

2. I care because why?

3. If you would learn reading and comprehension the you would see that I am not talking about posters in this thread specifically. I have friends who atheists. I have been debating with atheists for many years and always like to hear what they have to say. My friends have repeatedly called my beliefs stupid. So have many other atheists I have debated with over the years.

4. This is all your opinion and you're welcome to it. I will admit the atheists in this thread are mostly level headed. I am not used to that at all. Many other forums I am a member of that discuss religion with atheists are normally full of derogatory and insulting remarks. So I have become accustomed to being attacked and ridiculed for my beliefs. Also if you think my info is BS by all means offer up something to refute it instead if expecting someone else to do it. I do not represent other Christians in this thread or in general. And if people equate how one Christian acts to what others do then that's sad. Nice little bit of keyboard tough talk there Opie. Next time at least know what you're talking about before posting.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Well apparently there are many forms of atheism then. All I am saying is what I have encountered. I know exactly what atheism means. That's why I found it strange that my friends who are atheists, blame God when they don't even believe in him.

Honest question, what made you choose atheism as your religion of choice?
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say "his lack of a belief in a higher power".
 
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