Let's Talk About Sin

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#603
Vol8188 said:
Lol I cannot argue that you belief in god is illogical, because I do not believe in god?

Are only believers of Santa allowed to tell others santa is not real?
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Ok then prove my belief in God is illogical with irrefutable scientific evidence.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Actually, you can. :)

You just can't make a claim that, having the information to validate the claim would inherently invalidate the claim.
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Gotcha. Of course I'm speaking scientifically as that was the context. Science doesn't actually prove anything.
 
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Roustabout said:
Gotcha. Of course I'm speaking scientifically as that was the context. Science doesn't actually prove anything.
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Do what? What do you mean "science doesn't prove anything"? We have laws in the scientific community. That alone shows science has proved something.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Do what? What do you mean "science doesn't prove anything"? We have laws in the scientific community. That alone shows science has proved something.
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Proof is a mathmatical concept. Science is a search for causes.
When people say 'science proves there is no God,' you can know right away that this is not a scientific statement.

MP showing his back side again. Way to go!!
 
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Roustabout said:
Proof is a mathmatical concept. Science is a search for causes.
When people say 'science proves there is no God,' you can know right away that this is not a scientific statement.

MP showing his back side again. Way to go!!
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You ever taken a Physics course? A whole lot of math there.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Jesus + one fish = a thousand fish.

Bible science. Get with it.
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That's five loaves of bread & two fishes = feeding of 5,000 people with 12 baskets full of left overs & after everyone was full of stuffing themselves they passed tooth picks among the people too I'm sure. Get the story right dude.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
You ever taken a Physics course? A whole lot of math there.
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You can argue with me all you want. This is what scientist state. In fact this is often used as a response when creationists claim, "science can't prove evolution." It's a flawed statemet, which results in flawed responses.

It has been demonstrated in this thread, and the evolution one, that Darwinism is an interpretation (inference) of evidence, such as the fossil record, natural selection, etc. You cannot PROVE Darwinism in the sense you can prove 2+2=4. That doesn't mean there aren't persuasive arguments for the theory. But, that also doesn't mean that there are not alternative theories. Intelligent design follows the mulitple competing hyposthesis method, which Darwinism also utilizes.

For example, if someone states, "I have studied biological evolution, and I BELEIVE that Darwinism (descent with modification) best explains life on our planet," then I have no problem. I would simply ask, "have you considered......' In fact, I have several friends who are theistic evolutionists. I have a friend who is a college biology professor who is a devout Christian. There are many evolutionists who are open and honest about the problems with Darwinism. The openess and honesty dissapears from the Darwinist side is when evolution becomes a philosophical ideology. In other words, its proponents end up sounding just as delusional and unreasonable as the religious people they attack.

We witness the same type of problems from many Christians. They say things like, "evolution isn't true because the Bible says so." No, the Bible doesn't say so.
And so, you have two equally flawed positions arguing with each other, which is exactly what we see on this forum. And what gets lost in this is when people like myself attempt to actually engage in a civil discourse and have a challeging debate, but instead get attacked, and have to spend our time answering one line quips from antagonists.

When people say things like 'Darwinism is a fact' then I have a problem. It isn't a fact. Darwinism is an interpretion of facts. Fossil record, etc.
Or, when they say, 90% of scientist believe in evolution, therefore it's a fact. That is an ad populum fallacy, that is also undermined by equivocation. It tramples over the very definition of what constitutes a "fact."

So, I say all that GBOUT, because it seems you want to argue simply because a creationist, someone who holds a different worldview, has made the claim. When in fact it is the evolutionists who use the statement, "science doesn't prove anything," to defend themselves against bald assertions by creationists.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Please show me in the Bible where trolls exist. :)
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Your right. He should have said godless sinners that like their father come to steal, kill, and destroy. They are wolves that try to devour the sheep They don't howl or bare their teeth.They come in man's wisdom full of self wisdom denying God promising something more than Jesus. The lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. The promise of god is that the gates of hell will not prevail against god and his word. Notice gates are a defencive measure. They are lost because of their rebellion against god and the denying of his authority and existence. If you notice that sodom and gomorrah were judged on their disbelief in God. because of their unbelief in God it led to what they became. It doesn't matter how many lies the God haters tell. Nothing they can say, nothing they can do will separate us from Christ. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. They are clouds without water blown along by the wind. I say to them that now is the time to give God all the praise and the glory that you Might be saved. time is almost over. Now is the time of salvation/ He is coming soon, very soon. Believe.
 
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OJ said:
Your right. He should have said godless sinners that like their father come to steal, kill, and destroy. They are wolves that try to devour the sheep They don't howl or bare their teeth.They come in man's wisdom full of self wisdom denying God promising something more than Jesus. The lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. The promise of god is that the gates of hell will not prevail against god and his word. Notice gates are a defencive measure. They are lost because of their rebellion against god and the denying of his authority and existence. If you notice that sodom and gomorrah were judged on their disbelief in God. because of their unbelief in God it led to what they became. It doesn't matter how many lies the God haters tell. Nothing they can say, nothing they can do will separate us from Christ. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. They are clouds without water blown along by the wind. I say to them that now is the time to give God all the praise and the glory that you Might be saved. time is almost over. Now is the time of salvation/ He is coming soon, very soon. Believe.
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Proverbs 26:11 -- As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Proverbs 26:11 -- As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.
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yes but we got to be true to our spirit to try and reach them. The problem is win i say something they respond with such hate I got to ask myself if I;m just fueling the hatred they have for God. If so It's maybe best to not respond. It's sometimes hard to realize if you're trying to follow the spirit or following your flesh sometimes.
 
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OJ said:
yes but we got to be true to our spirit to try and reach them. The problem is win i say something they respond with such hate I got to ask myself if I;m just fueling the hatred they have for God. If so It's maybe best to not respond. It's sometimes hard to realize if you're trying to follow the spirit or following your flesh sometimes.
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Don't mean to butt in but sometimes there are some people in this thread that don't want to be "reached" so they only know how to make jokes & insults to believers. They do know the way to God which is through the Lord Jesus Christ but choose to not accept it & want another way to find God which they will never find outside of Christ. So let them go if that's what they want because they be trolling.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Jesus + one fish = a thousand fish.

Bible science. Get with it.
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Science= Proves that at the time of the crossing of the red sea that the water was only a foot deep at that time of year. The question now is how did all the army of Egypt drown in one foot of water.
 
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OJ said:
Science= Proves that at the time of the crossing of the red sea that the water was only a foot deep at that time of year. The question now is how did all the army of Egypt drown in one foot of water.
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Poor swimmers?
 
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OJ said:
Your right. He should have said godless sinners that like their father come to steal, kill, and destroy. They are wolves that try to devour the sheep They don't howl or bare their teeth.They come in man's wisdom full of self wisdom denying God promising something more than Jesus. The lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. The promise of god is that the gates of hell will not prevail against god and his word. Notice gates are a defencive measure. They are lost because of their rebellion against god and the denying of his authority and existence. If you notice that sodom and gomorrah were judged on their disbelief in God. because of their unbelief in God it led to what they became. It doesn't matter how many lies the God haters tell. Nothing they can say, nothing they can do will separate us from Christ. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. They are clouds without water blown along by the wind. I say to them that now is the time to give God all the praise and the glory that you Might be saved. time is almost over. Now is the time of salvation/ He is coming soon, very soon. Believe.
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He's coming soon eh? Christians have thought he was coming soon for two thousand years. Make up your minds, guys. I won't hold my breath.
 
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OJ said:
Your right. He should have said godless sinners that like their father come to steal, kill, and destroy. They are wolves that try to devour the sheep They don't howl or bare their teeth.They come in man's wisdom full of self wisdom denying God promising something more than Jesus. The lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. The promise of god is that the gates of hell will not prevail against god and his word. Notice gates are a defencive measure. They are lost because of their rebellion against god and the denying of his authority and existence. If you notice that sodom and gomorrah were judged on their disbelief in God. because of their unbelief in God it led to what they became. It doesn't matter how many lies the God haters tell. Nothing they can say, nothing they can do will separate us from Christ. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. They are clouds without water blown along by the wind. I say to them that now is the time to give God all the praise and the glory that you Might be saved. time is almost over. Now is the time of salvation/ He is coming soon, very soon. Believe.
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Fred Phelps?
 
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