Let's Talk About Sin

#552
#552
orangeslice13 said:
Only speaking for me....scientific liturature has not produced one thing to disprove God. I welcome all scientific literature. But forgive me if I'm skeptical when someone post SL as fact. For example, when I was a kid we were taught to eat the four food groups. If you eat that now they say it will kill you. Ex2) I went to public school threw 6th grade. Was home schooled for two years then back to public school. When in 6th grade we were taught in science class we were on the verge of the next ice age. When I returned in 9th the first day of science class the teacher told us about Global warming. I remember thinking what the fwak happened to the next ice age.



Have you noticed its getting colder again?
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Lol so god exists because science cannot disprove that he exists?

Try this for me, I would like you to scientifically disprove Santa Clause.
 
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#555
#555
Back to sin..I just read a book called Blood Meridian. One of the characters makes a comment: "Morality is a tool to take power from the strong and give it to the weak". I never thought of morality like that but the guy is correct.
 
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#556
Vol8188 said:
There's not a lot of evidence for the Easter bunny either.

How did we go from there being a ton of evidence, to this?
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You cannot insult God enough that he would withdraw his love for you. The only way you can separate yourself from him is by your unbelief. A just God will not make you believe against your will. How can you see light when you have chosen darkness? You don't receive because you don't believe.
 
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OJ said:
You cannot insult God enough that he would withdraw his love for you. The only way you can separate yourself from him is by your unbelief. A just God will not make you believe against your will. How can you see light when you have chosen darkness? You don't receive because you don't believe.
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I'm not saying he doesn't call unbelievers to himself. I'm saying for him to prove himself to you, you gotta believe in him.
 
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OJ said:
I'm not saying he doesn't call unbelievers to himself. I'm saying for him to prove himself to you, you gotta believe in him.
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That's how Santa works. If you don't believe in Santa, he won't visit your house.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Back to sin..I just read a book called Blood Meridian. One of the characters makes a comment: "Morality is a tool to take power from the strong and give it to the weak". I never thought of morality like that but the guy is correct.
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Really? So you live like that?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's interesting that statement relies on what it seeks to negate, eh?

It's so immoral to invent immorality for that purpose... I do say.
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Yep. It's called religion. Subvert the strong with power with a promise to those without it that they will have it.
 
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#573
Roustabout said:
I'm not saying this is an easy reality. Still, whether it's one soul or a billion, that doesn't change anything. I used the analogy earlier. I'm standing on a boat in the ocean and around me are 1,000 people treading water, about to die. I throw you a life preserver. But instead of being pulled to safety, you scream, 'what about these other people?' And you refuse to receive rescue. You'd be a stubborn fool for doing such. Grab the damn life line and come help me fish for some more.
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There's only one problem with your analogy. The 1000 people treading water would KNOW they are drowning. In that example yes, it would be a stubborn fool who would choose not to accept the help. In the case of spiritual salvation, not everyone feels that way. Not everyone feels some need to be "saved" by a supreme being. Many go through life just fine without religion, without faith, and live happy normal lives. Just because an evangelist "witnesses" to them and tells them that they need Jesus I don't consider them fools if they don't listen.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
There's only one problem with your analogy. The 1000 people treading water would KNOW they are drowning. In that example yes, it would be a stubborn fool who would choose not to accept the help. In the case of spiritual salvation, not everyone feels that way. Not everyone feels some need to be "saved" by a supreme being. Many go through life just fine without religion, without faith, and live happy normal lives. Just because an evangelist "witnesses" to them and tells them that they need Jesus I don't consider them fools if they don't listen.
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Evidently you don't believe in the bible. This is the way most people think that don't believe.
 
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#575
Brave Volunteer said:
There's only one problem with your analogy. The 1000 people treading water would KNOW they are drowning. In that example yes, it would be a stubborn fool who would choose not to accept the help. In the case of spiritual salvation, not everyone feels that way. Not everyone feels some need to be "saved" by a supreme being. Many go through life just fine without religion, without faith, and live happy normal lives. Just because an evangelist "witnesses" to them and tells them that they need Jesus I don't consider them fools if they don't listen.
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You don't have to believe the following, of course. I am just posting the Bible to inform the theology.

Romans 1

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
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For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. (Romans 2:12-16, ESV)
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People can use their intellect and figure out God's presence and divinity. We have a tendency to suppress that truth because we want to worship ourselves and serve our base desires. People who never heard the gospel are without excuse and know deep within they are drowning (sinful).

People who never heard the Bible are accused by their own consciences-- even if they never heard the Bible. If they heard the Bible, it's an added witness against them.

No one will be in Hell that doesn't absolutely deserve to be in Hell.
 
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