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FLVOL_79 said:
Zombie Jesus is the correct nomenclature.

Zombie, coming from creole as Zombi and traced to its latin roots as mortuus vivens translates to undead, aka not being dead anymore, aka resurrected. Jesus is an anglican version of Yeshua, the Jew name for Jesus.

So Mortuus Vivens Yeshua could be used to describe the resurrected Jesus just as well as using modern terminology, like Zombie Christ.
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I was about to say, it was the best way I could think of to describe the scenario. I wasn't asking who had seen the resurrection itself, but Jesus when he came back from the dead.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I was about to say, it was the best way I could think of to describe the scenario. I wasn't asking who had seen the resurrection itself, but Jesus when he came back from the dead.
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I havent read a Bible in forever, but doesnt the story go like some guys pass some dude with a new haircut on the road and he says some weird $h!t and then some dudes in sandals run to the tomb and the rock is rolled away and its empty and BLAMO WHAMMY Jesus Resurrect Miracle story spreads.

I'm paraphrasing loosely from memory fyi.


I have no doubt the Jesus man existed fyi as well.
 
#531
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FLVOL_79 said:
Zombie Jesus is the correct nomenclature.

Zombie, coming from creole as Zombi and traced to its latin roots as mortuus vivens translates to undead, aka not being dead anymore, aka resurrected. Jesus is an anglican version of Yeshua, the Jew name for Jesus.

So Mortuus Vivens Yeshua could be used to describe the resurrected Jesus just as well as using modern terminology, like Zombie Christ.
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zombie, a corps that has been raised by magical means such as witchcraft. a reanimated body with only simple body functions.

Jesus was resurrected by God. resurrection, bringing the dead back to life .
 
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loggervol said:
zombie, a corps that has been raised by magical means such as witchcraft. a reanimated body with only simple body functions.

Jesus was resurrected by God. resurrection, bringing the dead back to life .
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Just an opinion, but I wouldn't bother lv. It is obviously not a discussion, but a platform.

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#534
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Vol8188 said:
Beyond his followed and Mary Magdelene, who?
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Not sure. It says over 500 witnesses. Paul was not a follower and Jesus appeard to him. It seems you are asking questions you already know the answer to. What's the magic number of people who need to witness the resurrection for it to be true?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
This is single biggest issue I have with Christian beliefs..

If God is believed to be omnipotent and omniscient, then that means that before He ever created mankind he knew EXACTLY what would happen. He knew man would sin, he knew man would be wicked, he knew that mankind would pollute and pervert this earth, causing evil and tragedy. God knew before He ever created Lucifer that he would rebel against him and take 1/3 of Heaven's angels with him. God knew that Lucifer would tempt Eve in the garden and Eve would give into that temptation, starting this whole mess to begin with. So the question that I have is, why did He do it? Why create mankind to begin with, knowing what the end result would be? The Bible says that God created man because he desired fellowship. So basically God served His own desires in spite of knowing just how horrible it would all turn out. To me that doesn't make any sense. It would have made more sense for God to step back and NEVER to have created mankind in the first place.

Here's another question I have. If God is considered "perfect" then why aren't his creations? If sin is considered to have entered the world through Eve because she was tempted by Satan, what tempted Lucifer to betray God? If God created all the angels, Lucifer included, then God also put in them ability to be prideful and jealous. Why? Why would He do that and then proceed to cast them out for simply acting on the very tendencies that He put in them?
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When I was young I had a lot of questions,still do. Its like Paul said we look through a dark glass now. We don't see clearly now but when we see Him face to face we will see things clearly. We will know all things to every question we have. Thank goodness we don't half to understand everythig now. Keep the faith.
 
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loggervol said:
zombie, a corps that has been raised by magical means such as witchcraft. a reanimated body with only simple body functions.

Jesus was resurrected by God. resurrection, bringing the dead back to life .
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One could argue that there isn't any difference. Either you believe that a dead body can be resurrected or you do not.

Whether it's a middle eastern guy who wears long flowing robes or a walker from the Walking Dead is of little relevance.

I think it's interesting that you dismiss magical means and witchcraft yet embrace resurrection by god. What makes one more credible than the other?
 
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Roustabout said:
Not sure. It says over 500 witnesses. Paul was not a follower and Jesus appeard to him. It seems you are asking questions you already know the answer to. What's the magic number of people who need to witness the resurrection for it to be true?
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It just seems skeptical that he only appears to his disciples and a prostitute
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Of course. What is your point? I personally think the book of Job is complete nonsense. Yes God rewarded him with new land, new family, new wife etc. But you cannot POSSIBLY tell me that would erase the pain and anguish for what Job went through to begin with! If I lost my wife tragically and then later on remarried, that doesn't suddenly erase all the pain inside me from the grief of losing my current wife!

To me, It doesn't make God just and righteous because He restored everything He made Job suffer from. It would've made God just and righteous never to have allowed Job to suffer that way in the first place!
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You seem to be operating under the impression that pain and anguish is inherently bad.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It just seems skeptical that he only appears to his disciples and a prostitute
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The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Paul was already cited . Since we know he wrote his letters and we know they were widely circulated, it would have been easy for a contemporary skeptic to address this.
 
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Roustabout said:
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Paul was already cited . Since we know he wrote his letters and we know they were widely circulated, it would have been easy for a contemporary skeptic to address this.
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There's not a lot of evidence for the Easter bunny either.

How did we go from there being a ton of evidence, to this?
 
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#542
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Vol8188 said:
There's not a lot of evidence for the Easter bunny either.

How did we go from there being a ton of evidence, to this?
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Huh?? I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm speaking to Paul. You said he ONLY appeared.....
Maybe I shoild send you a copy of Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict.
 
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#544
The biggest flaw in this argument I see is that the believers ITT will call any literature in favor of science erroneous but will swear by literature in favor of faith.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
The biggest flaw in this argument I see is that the believers ITT will call any literature in favor of science erroneous but will swear by literature in favor of faith.
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That's kind of a broad brush you are painting with. While I agree that a large part of "Christians" believe things that are just plain silly (Young earth theory), you don't have to check your brain at the door to be a christian.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
That's kind of a broad brush you are painting with. While I agree that a large part of "Christians" believe things that are just plain silly (Young earth theory), you don't have to check your brain at the door to be a christian.
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Say what? Every single Christian in this thread has dismissed scientific literature, but uses the bible as a basis for their beliefs.

If Christians can have literature as an argument, why can't scientists?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Say what? Every single Christian in this thread has dismissed scientific literature, but uses the bible as a basis for their beliefs.

If Christians can have literature as an argument, why can't scientists?
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Only speaking for me....scientific liturature has not produced one thing to disprove God. I welcome all scientific literature. But forgive me if I'm skeptical when someone post SL as fact. For example, when I was a kid we were taught to eat the four food groups. If you eat that now they say it will kill you. Ex2) I went to public school threw 6th grade. Was home schooled for two years then back to public school. When in 6th grade we were taught in science class we were on the verge of the next ice age. When I returned in 9th the first day of science class the teacher told us about Global warming. I remember thinking what the fwak happened to the next ice age.



Have you noticed its getting colder again?
 
#548
#548
orangeslice13 said:
Only speaking for me....scientific liturature has not produced one thing to disprove God. I welcome all scientific literature. But forgive me if I'm skeptical when someone post SL as fact. For example, when I was a kid we were taught to eat the four food groups. If you eat that now they say it will kill you. Ex2) I went to public school threw 6th grade. Was home schooled for two years then back to public school. When in 6th grade we were taught in science class we were on the verge of the next ice age. When I returned in 9th the first day of science class the teacher told us about Global warming. I remember thinking what the fwak happened to the next ice age.
Have you noticed its getting colder again?
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Just like the Bible doesn't do anything to prove Him.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Just like the Bible doesn't do anything to prove Him.
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Are you a woman?

My wife does that too.

Me "I took out the trash"
Red. "Well I put the dishes in the dish washer"

Me (under my breath) "what the fwak?!?! I was just letting you know"

Red "What!?!"
Me "love you"




BV, I think you're special and a valued member of this board.
 
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#550
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Say what? Every single Christian in this thread has dismissed scientific literature, but uses the bible as a basis for their beliefs.

If Christians can have literature as an argument, why can't scientists?
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I would really like to see you quote my post where I dismissed scientific literature in this thread, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It amazes me how some posters will just outright lie in order to attempt to make a point.
 
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